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GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 10:48 AM Feb 2016

Why I re-registered as a Democrat after spending my entire adult life as a Green.

Yes, it was to support Senator Bernie Sanders, because his vision for our nation most closely aligns with my own, but I want to explain why it's not just the specifics of his plans, but his approach to crafting legislation that drew me in.

I understand the folks who are concerned about not getting ambitious proposals past the Republicans, I do, but as I (and many others on DU) have explained in the past it is as much about the approach to negotiating as it is about the bills themselves. One camp of people is firmly entrenched in the notion that we should scale down our ideas to make them more palatable to the Right and then present them to Congress. I am in the camp where I believe that one should start out with the ultimate dream package, present it to Congress, then carve out the middle ground. In other words, start negotiations from where you would wind up in a perfect world, not where you think you would end up anyway. In truth, no matter how moderate, level-headed, or bipartisan the package might look before we bring the Repubs in, it will always be shredded by them. ALWAYS!

I switched parties because Bernie not only represents my ideals, but also my approach. He has given me the feeling of finally having my thoughts count, my voice be heard in a system where I always felt ignored and locked out. (Except during election season, where my vote was wanted, but not me.)

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Why I re-registered as a Democrat after spending my entire adult life as a Green. (Original Post) GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 OP
This negotiating approach gets it exactly right. Broward Feb 2016 #1
Thanks! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #10
Represents your ideals and approach like Nader did? nt LexVegas Feb 2016 #2
Yes, absolutely. That's how it works. You find the candidate you like GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #8
Do you even understand how lame a retort that is? tech3149 Feb 2016 #27
Agreed. It was a false equivalency mdbl Feb 2016 #43
It's a hint at splitting the vote crap too. That's one reason Bernie ran as a Dustlawyer Feb 2016 #49
Ugh. SammyWinstonJack Feb 2016 #31
Everyone is entitled Bjornsdotter Feb 2016 #35
I voted Nader in 2000, but supported Dennis Kucinich in 2004 eridani Feb 2016 #71
I loved Dennis too! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #73
So if Bernie isn't the nominee, I have no doubt you will vote for the Democratic nominee in the GE still_one Feb 2016 #3
I can't have Trump, Cruz, or his ilk running the country, so I have no choice. (I hate our current GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #7
none of us do on either side of the political landscape no matter who is the Democratic nominee still_one Feb 2016 #9
I shudder to think about Trump with nukes. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #12
"I Have No Choice" 2banon Feb 2016 #54
Yes, have always hated the GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #58
nothing more insulting coming from those who are requesting our support, 2banon Feb 2016 #60
I do think that plays a part in low voter turnout, along with other problems like GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #61
That's Senator Sanders. cali Feb 2016 #4
LOL I must have fallen into the WayBack machine today! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #6
That's what I figured cali Feb 2016 #11
Heheh GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #13
K&R CharlotteVale Feb 2016 #5
Thanks! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #16
Me Too! bobja Feb 2016 #14
Totally agree with you Nite Owl Feb 2016 #15
Yes. We watched President Obama offer pared down programs jwirr Feb 2016 #32
Exactly! I adore President Obama, but there have been many policy decisions that saddened me. (ACA GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #50
It's such an unusual quality in a politician, and I love that about him! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #74
You have to change your handle now. bigwillq Feb 2016 #17
Will people still recognize me after all these years? GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #38
k&r NeoGreen Feb 2016 #18
Thanks! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #75
What's wrong with Jill Stein? oberliner Feb 2016 #19
Knock it off, don't be trying to ban ban dude. It's beneath you. pinebox Feb 2016 #21
Huh? oberliner Feb 2016 #23
Ask Loonix that and see what he says pinebox Feb 2016 #24
The username of the poster of the OP is GreenPartyVoter oberliner Feb 2016 #26
And him discussing 3rd party candidates in their seeking POTUS pinebox Feb 2016 #28
Discussing it is not forbidden oberliner Feb 2016 #29
Maybe like Bernie GreenPartyVoter believes in coalitions. jwirr Feb 2016 #34
I do like the idea of coalitions, yes. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #59
Thanks!! Hopefully my answer was cautious enough to stay within the rules but still GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #48
We have a two party system that makes her a candidate Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #22
The username of the writer of the OP is GreenPartyVoter oberliner Feb 2016 #25
Also a member here and in good standing since 2002. Cassiopeia Feb 2016 #30
Yes, I have, thanks! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #46
Actually, election reform has always been a passion of mine and one of GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #37
Thanks for the response oberliner Feb 2016 #39
There are others in this thread who have, so I think it's a good bet that we are not alone. :) But GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #47
She isn't a serious candidate eridani Feb 2016 #72
I like jill stein but mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #87
I switched from Indy to Dem & I lean Green/Justice Party pinebox Feb 2016 #20
+10,000 nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #33
I hear you, I really do! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #76
VERY well reasoned, GPV! Thanks for your update...and your vote. You'll always remember... FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #36
Thank you! I will indeed remember. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #62
Yep. A political party is defined by the people IN it. DirkGently Feb 2016 #40
Thank you so much! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #66
THANK YOU... Down Here In Florida We Have A Closed Primary... ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #41
My Florida Ballot is already in the mail HockeyMom Feb 2016 #53
Mine Will Be In The Mail Tuesday... ChiciB1 Feb 2016 #63
I have been checking with friends and family as well. Just about broke my GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #70
That middle paragraph is SO ON THE MARK. AlbertCat Feb 2016 #42
Thank you! There seems to be a lot of us who feel this way here on DU. GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #77
Message auto-removed Name removed Feb 2016 #44
Wow! GPV. I never thought you would, but Bernie needs the support. Cleita Feb 2016 #45
I never thought I would either, not just because I GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #57
That's even another great reason: your children!! Your father would understand. FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #64
Thank you! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #65
Your father sounds intriguing FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #67
He was! A young Republican for Goldwater at one time. A Navy vet, he had an GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #68
Take it to the people before Congress earthshine Feb 2016 #51
I agree whole-heartedly! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #79
I had a boss once artislife Feb 2016 #52
Yikes! That was some boss! But yes, I think that you hit the nail on the head; he absolutely GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #80
I thought sure you were going to say, "to vote for Clinton" Doctor_J Feb 2016 #55
Don't laugh, but it was because of her that I voted for Clinton in my GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #56
I am doing the same noiretextatique Feb 2016 #69
I am sure we are not alone! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #85
everyone has a different strategy mgmaggiemg Feb 2016 #78
I agree that that most important thing is to keep the Repubs out of power, GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #86
In my state (WA) we don't register by party. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #81
That must be a nice feeling! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #82
I still have the archaic notion that my vote belongs to me, not to a party or candidate. Tierra_y_Libertad Feb 2016 #83
So it would seem! GreenPartyVoter Feb 2016 #84

tech3149

(4,452 posts)
27. Do you even understand how lame a retort that is?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:31 PM
Feb 2016

I don't post that often but when I do I think long and hard about what I'm saying and the reasoning behind it.
There is no serious consideration of the world today and the world then that could equate Nader to Sanders. You're just throwing out fear mongering tripe to scare people into submission.

Please keep playing the game, I'm sure you will feel satisfied and influence no one.

mdbl

(4,973 posts)
43. Agreed. It was a false equivalency
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:31 PM
Feb 2016

If for no other fact than the voting public has become much wiser about politics. Many now know that it is just a game for most of these candidates. They are saying anything to get into office with no real ambition to try and accomplish anything good for the general welfare of the country. Nader, unfortunately, was sidelined by crappy media that allowed unchallenged rhetoric to pass to voters that clean air and water were a bad thing. Imagine that. Let's hope some of this country is waking up from that stupor.

Dustlawyer

(10,494 posts)
49. It's a hint at splitting the vote crap too. That's one reason Bernie ran as a
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:13 PM
Feb 2016

Democrat, so they couldn't claim that he would run as Independent and split the vote. Bernie has been clear he would support the Democratic nominee if it is not him.

Nader tried, but it is very hard to go up against the most powerful people and corporations in the world. Most of us wished he had bowed out after it was clear he couldn't win.

Bernie has managed to build and grow his campaign despite all attempts so far by these forces, media included. The only way to wrest power from this shadow government is by people, lots and lots of people. We have to have a leader, and Bernie is the right man to do it. What Bernie and his supporters are doing will be of historical significance. Capitol isms domination of America and the world has run riot, witness the TPP!

Bernie has run on the issues, Hillary has gone full on Republican, by introducing her political endorsers and surrogates to her big Donors, she has used them to go full on Swift Boating Bernie using Rovian tactics. Should Bernie win, there will be nothing new the Republicans could use against him! The Master of the Artful Smear will prove Bernie's point, using huge corporate money, and even the DNC, to defeat the Oligarch's worst nightmare! She is earning every penny of the hundreds of millions she and Bill have received!

eridani

(51,907 posts)
71. I voted Nader in 2000, but supported Dennis Kucinich in 2004
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:29 AM
Feb 2016

I became a Democrat because Kucinich asked me to join my local Democratic party organizations and talk to my neighbors, in contrast to Nader 4 years earlier who only asked that I try to get him into the debates. What I discovered was that very few of my neighbors were policy wonks. Not an easy lesson for issue junkies to learn.

Sanders is having that same effect this year, only on a much larger scale. Clinton has nothing whatsoever for the 63%, and she brings no new people into the political process.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
7. I can't have Trump, Cruz, or his ilk running the country, so I have no choice. (I hate our current
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:06 AM
Feb 2016

election system. Maybe Bernie has a plan for that, too!)

 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
54. "I Have No Choice"
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:30 PM
Feb 2016

Been saying and thinking that forever. We never do have a choice. It's whoever the oligarchs and their minions want to coronate.

Not a damn thing to do with who we want, what we want. Because it's the WHY we want it that's anathema to the 1% .. HRC/Trump/Bush etc.

Obama stirred up inspiration for a political revolution (that hope and change thing) when he ran in 2008.. Bernie is now taken that baton and we have to have his back all the way. it's about having a clear eyed, and REAL choice for the rest of us.

Not the illusion of "choice" every four years..



 

2banon

(7,321 posts)
60. nothing more insulting coming from those who are requesting our support,
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:13 PM
Feb 2016

"they have no where else to go" with the fear card.

and wonder why voter turnout is so abysmally low cycle after cycle.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
61. I do think that plays a part in low voter turnout, along with other problems like
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:21 PM
Feb 2016

disenfranchisement, a lack of an election holiday, and not believing that our vote counts (or is counted,) among other reasons.

Nite Owl

(11,303 posts)
15. Totally agree with you
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:23 AM
Feb 2016

in negotiating you always start at your ideal point so what you are giving up still will preserve what it is you want. One thing I'm sure of with Bernie is that he means what he says, he's not going to get into office and change, what you see is what you get and I love what I see.

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
32. Yes. We watched President Obama offer pared down programs
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:46 PM
Feb 2016

and then end up giving vital concessions such as cuts in food stamps and no public options in ACA because he started too low. I was always so frustrated.

In order to negotiate you need to include some things in your original package that you can lose without hurting the whole package.

Negotiate from a position of strength instead of weakness. Triangulation assumes that you need to give in from the first and by offering the gop what they want instead of starting with what you want.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
50. Exactly! I adore President Obama, but there have been many policy decisions that saddened me. (ACA
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:18 PM
Feb 2016

being a prime example. I am thrilled to have insurance, but there will always be a part of me that will wonder what might have been added to it had we started out from a different starting point in negotiations.)

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
23. Huh?
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:28 PM
Feb 2016

I'm asking why Jill Stein is not appealing as a candidate to a lifelong Green Party voter.

Responding to that question will not get anyone banned.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
26. The username of the poster of the OP is GreenPartyVoter
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

It seems reasonable to ask about Jill Stein to someone who defines themselves with that username.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
29. Discussing it is not forbidden
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:36 PM
Feb 2016

And the poster said they are voting Democrat. I am curious to know why a Green Party Voter would choose Bernie Sanders over Jill Stein. If they don't want to answer, they don't have to.

Personally, I would be interested to hear the reasons why. I think Bernie can actually appeal to quite a view people who were previously Green Party members to come over and join the Democratic party.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
48. Thanks!! Hopefully my answer was cautious enough to stay within the rules but still
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:54 PM
Feb 2016

explain my position.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
25. The username of the writer of the OP is GreenPartyVoter
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:29 PM
Feb 2016

The idea of a two party system and candidates being viable is not really what Green Party Voters are usually focussed on.

Cassiopeia

(2,603 posts)
30. Also a member here and in good standing since 2002.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:39 PM
Feb 2016

I'm sure he/she has rallied behind many Democrats over their voting history.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
37. Actually, election reform has always been a passion of mine and one of
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:07 PM
Feb 2016

the major reasons I originally joined the Maine Green party. You might be surprised to know that a lot of them feel that way.

As to Dr. Stein, she seems nice enough and has some good ideas, but she doesn't click with me the way Bernie does. Add to that his longtime experience in government, and similar ideals and outsider status (from the two party system that I find so flawed,) he seems like the right candidate for me. In all honesty, had he run as an independent, I would have been in a quandary. On the one hand, I would have wanted to support my own party because there are certain (very frustrating) rules about how third parties can even qualify for existence in our system. On the other hand, I would have worried about accidentally allowing the Republican into office by not voting Dem, which I almost always do. (See why election reform means so much to me? Every election in which multiple candidates are running has been heart-rending for me. I know there are better systems out there, the problem is finding the political will to get something done when it is the very parties in power who would suffer most from the changes.)

I hope my answer was cautious enough to not get the big boot from DU!

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
39. Thanks for the response
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:21 PM
Feb 2016

I wonder if other Green party folks will follow suit (or have already done so).

It seems like Bernie has a message that can appeal to many such voters.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
47. There are others in this thread who have, so I think it's a good bet that we are not alone. :) But
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

as I pointed out before, there are consequences for smaller parties when people switch or members vote for other candidates. There are sure to be people who desperately want to keep their party alive, even if they adore Bernie. Parties can die from this, wasting a lifetime of work and commitment. I have seen it happen before to my own former state party.

eridani

(51,907 posts)
72. She isn't a serious candidate
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 07:32 AM
Feb 2016

Kshama Sawant had 600 volunteers working to get her elected to a single city council district, which is more than Stein has for the whole country. If you think that most voters are policy junkies like us, you are delusional.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
87. I like jill stein but
Wed Feb 17, 2016, 04:44 PM
Feb 2016

she's a doctor...they tend to be socially conservative...and she can't keep the GOP out the white house....the biggest mistake is to think the white house position is the only thing that matters...certain candidates are right for certain positions and forensically, mathematically speaking I can argue why HRC belongs in the white house ...but of course everyone is valuable.....we need to stop thinking of it as winner takes all when actually they are there to help voters actualize their goals not play king of the hill....not lecturing you really...just talking generally...jill is a fine person...cheers, Maggie

 

pinebox

(5,761 posts)
20. I switched from Indy to Dem & I lean Green/Justice Party
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:25 PM
Feb 2016

And the only and I mean ONLY reason I did was to caucus for Bernie.
That is it. Period.

Will I stick around? Honestly, I don't know because the Dem party right now has really turned me off a lot. Bernie is growing the party, Hillary isn't and her supporters wave around some flag about how "Bernie isn't really a Dem" and guess what, neither am I and neither are millions of others BUT we are voting for the guy who is running for the Democratic nomination.

Have I felt welcome? No, honestly I haven't and I see all this bullshit pulled by the DNC and honestly, I have not seen one single reason WHY I should stick around.

I am far left and I am well aware of that BUT I believe things like education, health care, shelter and food are human rights. Is that wrong? IMHO no it isn't. Instead of giving companies like Walmart tax breaks, we should take them higher and earn enough revenue to build housing for the needy and poor. We could feed the whole country if we wanted to but nobody has the balls to undertake that initiative.

Bernie though is a step in that direction, a step in the direction that truly gives people who have less a fighting chance.
I am glad I am supporting the correct candidate in this election who actually gives a damn about others because Hillary doesn't and honestly on this board, I see many of her supporters don't either. They cry about themselves; "taxes", "college shouldn't be free", etc etc. If I wanted to support Ann Romney I would have voted for Mitt in the last election.

DirkGently

(12,151 posts)
40. Yep. A political party is defined by the people IN it.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:22 PM
Feb 2016

Not the people running it. Much like a country.

I think this dynamic is a lot of what people are talking about this year.

Welcome, Greens and Indies, to YOUR party.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
41. THANK YOU... Down Here In Florida We Have A Closed Primary...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:29 PM
Feb 2016

You have to be registered by 2/16 and I got my absentee ballot in the mail. I called my daughter to ask if she got hers and she didn't know what I was talking about. She and her husband have ALWAYS voted for Democrats, but in my county it rarely matters. I thought she was registered as a Dem all this time but I found out it was Independent. So I told her to get online and register for the Primaries and the she can switch back, so they both did. BUT, time is short and you have to fill out a form and send it to the Supervisor of Elections in time. My daughter wanted to know when she could call for an absentee ballot and I told probably after they got her in the system.

So I called the county and found out that mailing would be impossible because Monday is a holiday and they HAD to have it by Tuesday and the woman told they would have to hand deliver them. So I told her they would, but then she added this little phrase... "but the lines are out the door!" What does THAT mean? Was she trying to dissuade me or them because this IS a predominantly RED County and Katherine Harris was elected TWO times as our Congressional Rep. then the witch went away??

So I had a moment of glee and laughed and said "Really," that's GREAT thinking that WE may have done a very GOOD job of getting the word out. But, it could also mean Hillary is getting Indep., support. BUT, this Primary is just the Presidential Preference Primary, the real one comes later. This one takes 3/16 and you have to be registered 29 days before the election.

I then told my daughter to tell her son & daughter they needed to do the same thing, but I guess G'Ma did a good enough job keeping them informed... THEY'RE already registered as Dems. These elections have NOTORIOUSLY low turn outs and many people having been working their butts off to inform people.

I'm choosing to believe it's because of Bernie, but can't be sure. Only Democrats can vote! Closed Primaries should be outlawed, but it is what it is.

Still, hearing the the LINE IS GOING OUT THE DOOR... well, that's amazing! IF Bernie comes out on top I can tell you that's more than HUUUUUGGE! Even if it's close here, it's HUUUUGGGE!

I personally know 21 people that are CLOSE to me who are voting for Bernie. We may have been able to turn many, many more!

How ya like them apples? Don't want to get too excited, but have my fingers crossed!

 

HockeyMom

(14,337 posts)
53. My Florida Ballot is already in the mail
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 03:15 PM
Feb 2016

In the past nine years since moving to Florida, I have only voted once at the polls. "Lookie here, we got ourselves a DEMOCRAT" (Naples) was enough BS for me.

I was an Independent for decades when I decided to register to vote Dem in the Senate Primary in NY for HILLARY. That was the last time I voted for her. Obama was my choice in 2008, and now my Absentee Ballot is for Bernie!

I suppose in an ironic way you can thank Hillary for my votes for Obama and now Bernie.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
63. Mine Will Be In The Mail Tuesday...
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 07:08 PM
Feb 2016

My husband is out of town so he too will be voting as soon as he gets home. Neither Obama nor Hillary were my first choices, but did vote for Obama twice.

This time around Bernie got me right away. I jumped on his bandwagon way back when he first announced and ordered shirts as soon as I could. I live north of you, but I think both of our counties are very much alike. Sarasota used to be #1 in per capita income, but I think Ft. Myers or Naples has topped it. Regardless, I'm not in that category but there a many, many around. It's very hard to get much Democratic action going in this county and the Head of the Sarasota County Democratic Party has been very much DLC. I have looked at some of the names who were big names in the Party and am seeing that they too are supporting Bernie.

NEVER thought I would see this from them... I'm looking forward to the results. I KNOW for a fact that many, many people have changed their registration and joined Bernie, just don't know how the Hillary group did in getting people to change. There's been several groups here for Bernie which also surprised me. Even when Obama ran, I don't recall groups being formed BEFORE the nominee was decided.

Trump has been here already, but I don't think I've seen ONE Hillary bumper sticker. I'm retired and don't go out every day, but enough that I should be seeing some. I HAVE seen Bernie bumper stickers. And a few Trump.

It does seem Bernie has attracted a great deal of excitement and support around here, but I don't want to get my hopes up too high. Still, something IS different and IF THIS COUNTY is catching on to Bernie and knowing what I've seen in the past... something IS happening. We'll know pretty soon even though this election has always had a very low voter participation, kind of and off-off election.

Still, hearing that people were standing in a line going out the door isn't a normal thing. Of course, it could mean many Independents & others have chosen to switch, but to which person I don't know. We have a lot of Independents here and it would be strange if it went blue. They may be wanting to vote for the other Party Primary too because of Trump.

Time will tell. Have my fingers crossed for Bernie.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
70. I have been checking with friends and family as well. Just about broke my
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 11:28 PM
Feb 2016

heart when little brother said he was for Trump. I hope he will come around if Bernie gets the nomination and he hears from him in the general election debates.

Response to GreenPartyVoter (Original post)

Cleita

(75,480 posts)
45. Wow! GPV. I never thought you would, but Bernie needs the support.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

Our whole world needs Bernie. Thanks.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
57. I never thought I would either, not just because I
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 06:02 PM
Feb 2016

didn't want to abandon my party, but also because of my late father, who was the reason I became a Green. It was an agonizing decision, but as much as I love my Dad and hate the thought of how upset he would have been if he was still here, I also love my kids and I need to look to their future. In my opinion, Bernie is the best chance they and children the nation and world over have.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
68. He was! A young Republican for Goldwater at one time. A Navy vet, he had an
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 09:55 PM
Feb 2016

advanced degree, but was an enlisted man when he was in the Reserves. He was the smartest man I knew, and was in the process of running as a Green for the state house when he passed away a few years ago.

 

earthshine

(1,642 posts)
51. Take it to the people before Congress
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

After Bernie is elected (and more and more, I see it to be so), he needs to use the bully pulpit to rally the people.

This is where Obama failed. He had the people behind him in 2008, and then blew us off to be a third-way corporatist for seven years.

>> start out with the ultimate dream package, present it to Congress, then carve out the middle ground.

Present it to the people -- with all the pie-in-the-sky ideals -- then give Congress no choice except accepting it.

The people are far more liberal than the congressional establishment. Keep each one in fear of not being re-elected.

 

artislife

(9,497 posts)
52. I had a boss once
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 02:43 PM
Feb 2016

He wanted me to write things for him, letters, flyer etc.

I spent so much time working on these items and then giving them to him. This man was dyslectic and had ADD. He would take out his red pen and mark it all up. I got wise by the 3 time. So when I got an assignment, I would whip something up and hand it to him. He would edit it. I then took the time to present what I would have given to him in the old model, sure implementing good suggestions and he would always approve. I realized the first draft would never be approved, ever.

That is the republican congress. I agree, ask for everything we want and work back from there.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
80. Yikes! That was some boss! But yes, I think that you hit the nail on the head; he absolutely
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

represents the Repubs as I have described them in my OP.

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
56. Don't laugh, but it was because of her that I voted for Clinton in my
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 05:56 PM
Feb 2016

first ever presidential election. I was so excited to see such a strong woman go to the WH.

mgmaggiemg

(869 posts)
78. everyone has a different strategy
Sun Feb 14, 2016, 04:14 PM
Feb 2016

I vote green locally...where ever the opportunity presents itself....because there isn't enough representation of greens locally across the nation....it exists in pockets...but after voting for nader in 2000...I said forget that don't want the republicans in the white house...look how that turned out....so green locally and then whoever can be the republicans nationally....I think there are two great candidates...so I am not worried about it the GOP is not in a good place right now; its about who has the ability to spank the republican harder....after that local politics matter more....I think by hiding behind HRC's skirts bernie misses an opportunity to show he can spank the republicans...his campaign supporters spank HRC never proving that bernie could take on the republicans...being forced to work with them instead...perhaps he should have done it the other way around and spanked the republicans first....demonstrating he could do the job....I am supporting HRC because politics is so different at the national than at the local level....however if bernie manages a primary win of course I am voting dem no matter what...unlike the pseudo bernie supporters who will stay home if he doesn't win the primaries....I fail to see how this strategy supports Bernie's ideals (and therefore yours) by abandoning him in the end....cheers, maggie

GreenPartyVoter

(72,377 posts)
86. I agree that that most important thing is to keep the Repubs out of power,
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 10:47 PM
Feb 2016

but I do really hope it is Bernie who does it.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
81. In my state (WA) we don't register by party.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:11 PM
Feb 2016

I've voted for Greens and Democrats without suffering significant harm and will do so again.

 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
83. I still have the archaic notion that my vote belongs to me, not to a party or candidate.
Mon Feb 15, 2016, 04:19 PM
Feb 2016

Obviously, there are those who find that notion distasteful.

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