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Video: Bernie rips Kissinger in a beautiful way. (Original Post) madfloridian Feb 2016 OP
This one is a little better quality, almost the same words. madfloridian Feb 2016 #1
She's So Smug billhicks76 Feb 2016 #24
Yes! JDPriestly Feb 2016 #30
Mind Boggling She Doesn't Notice In Herself billhicks76 Feb 2016 #41
She certainly does notice herself. Unknown Beatle Feb 2016 #71
Well said Paulie Feb 2016 #2
Amen to that. He spared no words about his opinion of Kissinger. madfloridian Feb 2016 #3
Feel the Bern! Donkees Feb 2016 #4
Awesome. When would we EVER get to hear that from another candidate? vanlassie Feb 2016 #5
Yes, it was awesome. madfloridian Feb 2016 #7
Hillary brags about getting advice from Henry Kissinger. I am still gobsmacked. askew Feb 2016 #6
Exactly. SoapBox Feb 2016 #12
She isn't ashamed to say she admires Reagan and Thatcher. I also thinks she like the Bush family.nm rhett o rick Feb 2016 #62
Truly a thing of beauty. Jackilope Feb 2016 #8
i speak from the heart when i say berningman Feb 2016 #9
Bernie is so right katmondoo Feb 2016 #10
You can bet thousands of younger people ... tex-wyo-dem Feb 2016 #35
That's a good thing. I doubt many young people are that aware of his awful history. madfloridian Feb 2016 #47
Kissinger is evil SHRED Feb 2016 #11
Awesome! HooptieWagon Feb 2016 #13
I agree. madfloridian Feb 2016 #67
The whole Cambodia and China thing left Clinton looking down into the podium in shame. EndElectoral Feb 2016 #14
She felt no shame. She's a neocon. delrem Feb 2016 #44
True, This is a story about a Cambodia mission that Nixon/Kissinger used INdemo Feb 2016 #68
"Well it ain't Henry Kissinger, that's for sure. LOL azmom Feb 2016 #15
That had me in stiches brentspeak Feb 2016 #72
blinking fierywoman Feb 2016 #16
Yes, also a tell when someone got punched in the face with embarrassing facts. nt Bonobo Feb 2016 #18
Then when he said Kissinger's name, the rate slowed dramatically. Not sure what that said, but I Ed Suspicious Feb 2016 #19
I noticed as well jham123 Feb 2016 #61
She did not see that coming. Bonobo Feb 2016 #17
I didn't expect such a powerful attack on Kissinger, but I enjoyed it. madfloridian Feb 2016 #20
What I remember about Kissinger and with Nixon they posponed the Peace Talks INdemo Feb 2016 #23
That was a terrible legacy he had there. madfloridian Feb 2016 #66
K & R AzDar Feb 2016 #21
Great that Bernie brought up the millions killed under Pol Pot as a result of FailureToCommunicate Feb 2016 #22
Ah that movie tore me up. madfloridian Feb 2016 #57
I was nervous during the whole movie INdemo Feb 2016 #69
Hell yeah Not Sure Feb 2016 #25
My Man! Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #26
I heartily agree. So many younger people may not be aware of this time. madfloridian Feb 2016 #27
One can only hope. Bangbangdem Feb 2016 #34
k/r AtomicKitten Feb 2016 #28
K&R. Well said. Overseas Feb 2016 #29
I had a girl, a refugee from Cambodia when I was teaching. madfloridian Feb 2016 #31
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Feb 2016 #32
Thanks, Uncle Joe. madfloridian Feb 2016 #46
Thanks for the clip! bvf Feb 2016 #33
Yes, it's the truth. madfloridian Feb 2016 #63
Kick and R BeanMusical Feb 2016 #36
From Sept 5, 2014 Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands neverforget Feb 2016 #37
I was stunned when she started embracing Kissinger. madfloridian Feb 2016 #38
I don't get it either. neverforget Feb 2016 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author nationalize the fed Feb 2016 #43
I posted on another thread back when she first mentioned Kissinger KoKo Feb 2016 #54
That was amazing. Cheese Sandwich Feb 2016 #39
It was amazing. madfloridian Feb 2016 #40
How many times did she blink? K&R nt Live and Learn Feb 2016 #45
Kicked and recommended! Enthusiast Feb 2016 #48
Thanks. madfloridian Feb 2016 #49
Had to watch twice. This is what a liberal looks like. Prism Feb 2016 #50
Yes, liberal voices buried too long. madfloridian Feb 2016 #58
So glad to see the photographer verify Bernie's activism years ago. madfloridian Feb 2016 #51
This is really a central issue, and it's sad some people don't see that Mufaddal Feb 2016 #52
Thanks for the link to the Intercept. madfloridian Feb 2016 #64
i was literally screaming, "yes"! at the teevee shanti Feb 2016 #53
From the Intercept about Kissinger's war crimes madfloridian Feb 2016 #55
Kick for powerful words. madfloridian Feb 2016 #56
..... madfloridian Feb 2016 #59
Rec & Kick. MerryBlooms Feb 2016 #60
K&R nt TBF Feb 2016 #65
The plastic, unflinching, souless glaze is stunning. I appreciate some humanity showing, and libdem4life Feb 2016 #70

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
30. Yes!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:46 AM
Feb 2016

And in addition, she does not get much of anything. She does not get it!

She does not understand the economic reality of American life. Does't get it!

Doesn't understand about the job market! Just doesn't get it!

Doesn't understand about the fear minority parents have for their children!

Doesn't get it!

 

billhicks76

(5,082 posts)
41. Mind Boggling She Doesn't Notice In Herself
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:54 AM
Feb 2016

She's that out of touch. Certain personality types never perceive how they look from the outside by others looking in.

Unknown Beatle

(2,672 posts)
71. She certainly does notice herself.
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:26 AM
Feb 2016

She doesn't care what regular people, like you and I, perceive her as being on the outside as well as on the inside. What she deeply cares about is how the 1% view her because she and her husband Bill worked (very little, by the way because giving speeches doesn't take a lot of work) to get wealthy.

Working for the government in DC is very lucrative. You get a lot of money from lobbyists just for passing some bills benefiting who the lobbyists work for. That's the case with Hillary, she's made a lot of money from speeches to wall st and big banks and as her time as SoS, hundreds of millions of dollars. Yet, that's not enough. The presidency will make sure she makes even more by helping her friends in the defense industry, wall st and big banks, big pharma, etc.

I'm sure she uses code words in her debates and stump speeches that only her benefactors understand.

askew

(1,464 posts)
6. Hillary brags about getting advice from Henry Kissinger. I am still gobsmacked.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:02 AM
Feb 2016

That should be disqualifying for any Dem. He is a war criminal.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
62. She isn't ashamed to say she admires Reagan and Thatcher. I also thinks she like the Bush family.nm
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:56 PM
Feb 2016

tex-wyo-dem

(3,190 posts)
35. You can bet thousands of younger people ...
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:25 AM
Feb 2016

Will now be googling Hebry Kissinger and getting a history lesson.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
47. That's a good thing. I doubt many young people are that aware of his awful history.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 05:51 AM
Feb 2016

It was good Bernie did that tonight.

delrem

(9,688 posts)
44. She felt no shame. She's a neocon.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:16 AM
Feb 2016

She's in the loop with Robert Kagan, Victoria Nuland, Henry Kissinger, and like them she doesn't feel at all.

It's #1 on her resume! It's what she promises more of! It's what her supporters glory in. Not one of them give a flying fart in a windstorm about the hell on earth brought by cluster bombing. Esp. if it's brown people, or Arabs, or Muslims, or... so long as they have no defense. After all, neocons and their enablers rightly feel perfectly safe (NONE of these are wars of defense), and are happy for the trickle down profits.
And you'd better believe it, if she's elected POTUS she will visit hell on defenseless people in a never ending parade of war and war profiteering. It's in her bones.

Just listen to her and you know the very thought of it turns her bloody crank.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
68. True, This is a story about a Cambodia mission that Nixon/Kissinger used
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 11:22 PM
Feb 2016

to play politics with American lives.
Nixon sent Ground Troops into Cambodia to stop supply routes and to destroy ammo supply depots.
The troops were set to reach their targets and Nixon/Kissinger called them back and jeopardized the lives of Hundreds of
Soldiers and put them in danger when the mission was called off even when these troops had their target in sight.
(This was Nixon''s and Kissinger's)
Dangerous game of playing politics with American Lives)


http://vietnamawbb.weebly.com/invasion-of-cambodia.html

https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100517172928AAeWQFx

http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/American_Empire/Nixon_Cambodia_LFE.html

Bernie Sanders was so right and he could go even deeper into this but he made his point and I suspect many have done research about this subject.

Thank You for the Hearts.

brentspeak

(18,290 posts)
72. That had me in stiches
Mon Feb 22, 2016, 01:12 PM
Feb 2016

As did "I am proud to say that Henry Kissinger is not my friend."

Only wish Bernie had went after Hillary's love of regime-change as forcefully as this earlier in the campaign.

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
19. Then when he said Kissinger's name, the rate slowed dramatically. Not sure what that said, but I
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

noticed it square away.

jham123

(278 posts)
61. I noticed as well
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 07:30 PM
Feb 2016

Blinky started slowing her blink rate as her internal CPU started to melt down. She had no clue what was going to be next.

After her 3 minute long diatribe about forming War coalitions and patting herself on the back for being responsible for the current War Coalition, she hadn't a clue.....her response told me that she still didn't get it....she may not "Get it" even today.

It takes a keen eye and Historical context to understand how "someones" influences may help one judge character.

The Hillary supporters state that it means nothing "Pal Around" was a hot button in another thread, believe me, if I stated that Charles Manson was one of my influences and who I get advice from, no one would have issues with not trusting me after such a statement.

Bonobo

(29,257 posts)
17. She did not see that coming.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:35 AM
Feb 2016

Bernie knows his history too. He lived through it and formed his opinions of it when it happened.

WTF was HILLARY thinking during the Cambodian situation that allows her to be a "friend" of Kissinger.

Her morality is skin deep.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
20. I didn't expect such a powerful attack on Kissinger, but I enjoyed it.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:37 AM
Feb 2016

The man deserved it, and Hillary should not be pals with him.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
23. What I remember about Kissinger and with Nixon they posponed the Peace Talks
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:53 AM
Feb 2016

the NV were having with the Johnson administration and Kissinger promised the N Vietnamese that Nixon would give them a better deal..This cost us American lives, it set up Cambodia for Po Pot and slave labor camps.
After Nixon was elected he gave China a "free trade" deal which began the exportation of American mfg. jobs.

So for Bernie I would say don't expect a Christmas Card and for Kissinger don't expect an invitation to any State Dinners.

FailureToCommunicate

(14,013 posts)
22. Great that Bernie brought up the millions killed under Pol Pot as a result of
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 12:39 AM
Feb 2016

Kissinger, then to pivot and connect Kissinger pushing trade with China that resulted in the death of millions of American jobs.

Deafening mic drop!

 

Bangbangdem

(140 posts)
26. My Man!
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:20 AM
Feb 2016

First he publicly placed blame for our mess in the middle east on the C.I.A.'s doorstep for the overthrow of Iran in the 50's. Now this. I have never seen a politician behave this way. Not in my lifetime. Go, Bernie, Go! Shame on Clinton for siding with, and even licking the boots of this mass murdering maniac. Bernie is right, the man created an absolute catastrophe in Southeast Asia. He should be in the Hague, not being held up as an idol at a Democratic debate.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
27. I heartily agree. So many younger people may not be aware of this time.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:33 AM
Feb 2016

You don't hear much about it anymore.

 

Bangbangdem

(140 posts)
34. One can only hope.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:20 AM
Feb 2016

This is one of those things that could shine some light on him. Hopefully, Bernie's remarks can lead to a lot more scrutiny of Kissenger's record. Sanders also pivots to show that the opening of trade relations, by Kissenger, with China, was a disaster for the American labor force.

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
31. I had a girl, a refugee from Cambodia when I was teaching.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 01:50 AM
Feb 2016

She could speak some English and translated for her mother. Together they shared their escape from the "killing fields". They spent much time under water, sometimes breathing through reeds, and with only rats to eat much of the time as protein. She was a beautiful girl, and I got tears as she and her mother shared their escape.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
37. From Sept 5, 2014 Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:50 AM
Feb 2016
Hillary Clinton Praises a Guy With Lots of Blood on His Hands

Kissinger, who served as secretary of state for President Richard Nixon and then President Gerald Ford, is a symbol of the worst of US foreign policy. Though he guided the United States through détente with the Soviet Union and initiated the historic opening to China, he engaged in underhanded and covert diplomacy that led to massacres around the globe, as he pursued his version of foreign policy realism. This is no secret.

Chile: Nixon and Kissinger plotted to thwart the democratic election of a socialist president. The eventual outcome: a military coup and a military dictatorship that killed thousands of Chileans.

Argentina: Kissinger gave a "green light" to the military junta's dirty war against political opponents that led to the deaths of an estimated 30,000.

East Timor: Another "green light" from Kissinger, this one for the Indonesian military dictatorship's bloody invasion of East Timor that yielded up to 200,000 deaths.

Cambodia: The secret bombing there during the Nixon phase of the Vietnam War killed between 150,000 and 500,000 civilians.

Bangladesh: Kissinger and Nixon turned a blind eye to—arguably, they tacitly approved—Pakistan's genocidal slaughter of 300,000 Bengalis, most of them Hindus.

And there's more. Kissinger's mendacity has been chronicled for years. See Gary Bass' recent and damning book on the Bangladesh tragedy, The Blood Telegram. There's Seymour Hersh's classic, The Price of Power. In The Trial of Henry Kissinger, Christopher Hitchens presented the case against Kissinger in his full polemical style. As secretary of state, Kissinger made common cause with—and encouraged—tyrants who repressed and massacred many. He did not serve the American values of democracy, free expression, and human rights. He shredded them.

Once upon a time, Hillary Clinton protested the Vietnam War. She attended the 1968 GOP convention in Miami to join the effort to draft Nelson Rockefeller in order to prevent Nixon from winning the party's presidential nomination. She served on the staff of the House judiciary committee, which voted to impeach Nixon; one of the articles of impeachment drafted by the staff (but which was not approved) slammed Nixon for covering up the bombing in Cambodia. She knows what Kissinger has done. She knows what Kissinger represents. There's none of that in her self-serving review. Instead, she hails him as a champion of a values-driven foreign policy. Maybe when he's typing in front of a computer these days—but not when he wielded power. Clinton lets him off the hook and participates in the long-running pretense that Kissinger is a grand old statesman who deserves respect rather than scorn.

neverforget

(9,436 posts)
42. I don't get it either.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 04:05 AM
Feb 2016

The guy is a war mongering Republican asshole who has fucked over many countries.

Response to madfloridian (Reply #38)

KoKo

(84,711 posts)
54. I posted on another thread back when she first mentioned Kissinger
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:00 PM
Feb 2016

That it was her "dog whistle" to alert Repub crossover voters that she will be a good War Hawk. Her mention of giving the go ahead to Obama to kill bin Laden and her other warlike talk is signaling to donors that she won't let the MIC down when she becomes President.

Mentioning Kissenger twice now in different debates signals that her Foreign Policy has been shaped in the past by Kissinger and Madelyn Albright and will continue along with tweaks by her buddies and supporters, the NeoCons, which she has also been in league with. Libyan invasion was NeoCon. She delighted in "We Came...We Saw...He Died," as she laughlingly said to CBS reporter, about Gaddafi's brutal killing and rape.

Was so glad to see Bernie call her out about Kissinger.

 

Cheese Sandwich

(9,086 posts)
39. That was amazing.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:34 AM
Feb 2016

Presidential candidates don't usually talk like that. It's why we love him, and why he's totally intolerable to the very serious people.

 

Prism

(5,815 posts)
50. Had to watch twice. This is what a liberal looks like.
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:05 PM
Feb 2016

I'm so glad Sanders is running. Liberal voices have been buried under Third Way don't-rock-the-boat for too long.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
52. This is really a central issue, and it's sad some people don't see that
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:41 PM
Feb 2016

When you are namedropping a notorious war criminal, that's a problem. Period.

Great article about this as a defining difference on the Intercept today: https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/

shanti

(21,675 posts)
53. i was literally screaming, "yes"! at the teevee
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 02:44 PM
Feb 2016

when he mentioned kissinger! my favorite moment of the debate

madfloridian

(88,117 posts)
55. From the Intercept about Kissinger's war crimes
Fri Feb 12, 2016, 03:44 PM
Feb 2016
https://theintercept.com/2016/02/12/henry-kissingers-war-crimes-are-central-to-the-divide-between-hillary-clinton-and-bernie-sanders/

The sparring during Thursday’s Democratic presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders over whether Henry Kissinger is an elder statesman or a pariah has laid bare a major foreign policy divide within the Democratic Party.

Clinton and Sanders stand on opposite sides of that divide. One represents the hawkish Washington foreign policy establishment, which reveres and in some cases actually works for Kissinger. The other represents the marginalized non-interventionists, who can’t possibly forgive someone with the blood of millions of brown people on his hands.

Kissinger is an amazing and appropriate lens through which to see what’s at stake in the choice between Clinton and Sanders. But that only works, of course, if you understand who Kissinger is — which surely many of today’s voters don’t.

Some may only dimly recall that Kissinger won a Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to end the Vietnam War (comedian Tom Lehrer famously said the award made political satire obsolete) and that he played a central role in President Nixon’s opening of relations with China.

But Kissinger is reviled by many left-leaning observers of foreign policy. They consider him an amoral egotist who enabled dictators, extended the Vietnam War, laid the path to the Khmer Rouge killing fields, stage-managed a genocide in East Timor, overthrew the democratically-elected left-wing government in Chile, and encouraged Nixon to wiretap his political adversaries.


Read the whole thing.
 

libdem4life

(13,877 posts)
70. The plastic, unflinching, souless glaze is stunning. I appreciate some humanity showing, and
Sat Feb 13, 2016, 12:18 AM
Feb 2016

that is another major divide between the two candidates. One exudes passion...the other pasionless. JMO.

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