Clinton Endorsement NOT from Congressional Black Caucus but FROM Cong. Black Caucus SUPERPAC

[Nanjeanne]

On Democracy Now this morning.

Listening to Barbara Lee of the Congressional Black Caucus WHO IS NOT ENDORSING ANYONE - explain the difference. She is NOT a member of the CBC PAC. She said this is a group that raises money for specific candidates and they have a strong firewall between the actual CBC and the CBC PAC.

Wonder if the media will make the distinction?


I crack myself up!

You can read about the CBC SuperPAC here. It does good work--but it is definitely NOT the CBC. Do not conflate this with getting the endorsement of people like Barbara Lee.

http://www.cbcpac.org/leadership

[notadmblnd]

1. Hillarys side claiming endorsement they didn't actually receive?

Isn't that what they accused Bernie of doing?

[R. Daneel Olivaw]

3. Please, stop with the PACsplaining.

[navarth]

23. LOL

That is funny, R. Daneel. Be careful walking around in them Caves Of Steel.

[Capt. Obvious]

70. *pacsplaining*

[Duckhunter935]

11. surprised, lol

They do love their superpacs

[casperthegm]

27. Clinton supporters, talk about hypocrisy

You accuse the Sanders campaign of making false claims of endorsements, and then you pull this? The Clinton machine and it's super pacs are just getting started. We'll have to stay vigilant and make sure to call them out on it, because there is a lot more of this crap coming...

[saidsimplesimon]

44. casper, the antidote to crap is?

It is positive, joyous, hard working, selfless, inspirational. We are not there yet. We are moving the conversation. We are ready for the negative crap, "bring it on".

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[LiberalArkie]

47. Thank you

[nolabels]

78. Too cool............

and thanks again

[George II]

54. No they didn't. In fact NO one every tried to hide the fact that it's the CBC PAC......

.....if you watched the announcement of the endorsement you would have seen the backdrop, which had CBCPAC in huge letters.

[notadmblnd]

85. Neither did Bernie. But it didn't keep you all from running around

like Chicken Little yelling the sky was falling.

[George II]

86. What are you talking about?

[notadmblnd]

87. Having trouble keeping up?

Maybe it's time for a break?

[George II]

88. No, and no.

[Carolina]

2. Love Barbara Lee

One of the best people in Congress

[Le Taz Hot]

14. She should be Bernie's V.P. pick.

[JRLeft]

17. She's my Congresswoman again since moved back to Oakland.

[thereismore]

28. I would love to see her on stage with Bernie sometime soon. nt

[JackInGreen]

32. She'd be mine if I could move back

And I'd be pleased as piss.

Can't afford it though, so in the PACNW I stay.

[beltanefauve]

57. I've also

been driven out of Oakland due to the price of housing.

[KingCharlemagne]

89. She was the only one, the ONLY ONE, to get it right

on Afghanistan AND Iraq.

She shall be remembered 1,000 years from now.

[brooklynite]

4. You mean like the Planned Parenthood Action Fund endorsed Clinton...

...and the Sanders fans called for a boycott on funding Planned Parenthood?

[Nanjeanne]

5. Are you saying that a Planned Parenthood didn't endorse Clinton

And a separate SuperPac splinter group did?

WOW!

[bravenak]

6. +1

[Fawke Em]

18. Difference: official campaign v. fans. eom

[Eric J in MN]

24. That's a cheap tactic: nutpicking.

Would you want someone to pick the stupidest thing said by a Hillary Clinton supporter, and declare that's what "Clinton fans said"?

[navarth]

25. 'the Sanders fans'

You're lumping a lot of people there. I never did any such thing. I'm sure you could provide links to some. That's not enough for stereotyping.

If you feel that HRC supporters have been stereotyped, I sympathize; the incorrect response IMHO would be to do more stereotyping yourself.

There's too much of that around here.

[Bohemianwriter]

26. Gotta love those SUPER PACs

secret donors and strawmen....

[JackInGreen]

36. So "PP endorses clinton" was misreported?

Good to know, thanks [link:|

[debunction.junction]

37. +2

[PonyUp]

7. kick n/t

[Jefferson23]

8. So Barbara Lee agreed to make this distinction clear because she knows there is a difference

is that correct?

[Nanjeanne]

9. Democracy Now is one of the few "news" programs left

and they ask real questions.

They asked Barbara if, as a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, she was endorsing Clinton. She said No - and proceeded to explain what the CBC Super Pac is. How they created a firewall between the groups to make sure there was a distinction. The Super Pac was created to raise money to help elect POC to Congress. She mentioned she is not a member of the Super PAC so any questions Amy Goodman had should be referred to them. She said she is staying neutral in this primary season.

[Jefferson23]

10. And we don't know who gave to their Super Pac, is what she is saying.

Very interesting...tells me a great deal.

Thank you and yea, DN does great work.

[Tanuki]

12. The vast majority of individual Congressional Black Caucus members have already endorsed HRC.

You can check out the membership here:
https://cbc-butterfield.house.gov/members

and you can see them, with only a handful of exceptions including those who have said they won't jump the gun on their state primary, here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

[Nanjeanne]

13. That's fine. Some have not. So it's not correct to state the CBC endorses Clinton when it's the

CBS SuperPac.

Why not be accurate?

[JackInGreen]

38. It doesn't serve the narrative

So it's of no consequence to HRCs camp.

[NightWatcher]

15. Everyone In America supports Hillary

Everyone In America (EIA) being a Super Pac consisting of one person, that was formed strictly for a 24 hour news cycle headlines.

Facts don't matter because Everyone In America supports Hillary.

(Karl Rove is kicking himself that he didn't try that)

[Nanjeanne]

16. +1

[retrowire]

31. lmao i love this. nt

[SammyWinstonJack]

40. Hehe.

[liberal_at_heart]

50. That is freakin brilliant and hilarious!

[dorkzilla]

61. Fuckin’ brilliant!

[frazzled]

19. Piffle--39 of the 43 Dem CBC members have already endorsed her

Senate
Cory Booker Democratic New Jersey

House
Alma Adams Democratic North Carolina – 12th
Karen Bass Democratic California – 37th
Joyce Beatty Democratic Ohio – 3rd
Corrine Brown Democratic Florida – 5th
G. K. Butterfield Democratic North Carolina – 1st
André Carson Democratic Indiana – 7th
Yvette Clarke Democratic New York – 9th
William Lacy Clay, Jr. Democratic Missouri – 1st
Emanuel Cleaver Democratic Missouri – 5th
Jim Clyburn Democratic South Carolina – 6th
John Conyers, Jr. – Dean Democratic Michigan – 13th
Elijah Cummings Democratic Maryland – 7th
Danny K. Davis Democratic Illinois – 7th
Donna Edwards Democratic Maryland – 4th
Chaka Fattah Democratic Pennsylvania – 2nd
Marcia Fudge Democratic Ohio – 11th
Al Green Democratic Texas – 9th
Alcee Hastings Democratic Florida – 20th
Hakeem Jeffries Democratic New York – 8th
Eddie Bernice Johnson Democratic Texas – 30th
Hank Johnson Democratic Georgia – 4th
Robin Kelly Democratic Illinois – 2nd
Brenda Lawrence Democratic Michigan – 14th
Sheila Jackson Lee Democratic Texas – 18th
John Lewis Democratic Georgia – 5th
Gregory Meeks Democratic New York – 5th
Gwen Moore Democratic Wisconsin – 4th
Delegate Eleanor Holmes Norton Democratic District of Columbia – At-large
(non voting congressional delegate)
Donald Payne, Jr. Democratic New Jersey – 10th
Delegate Stacey Plaskett Democratic U.S. Virgin Islands – At-large
(non voting congressional delegate)
Charles Rangel Democratic New York – 13th
Cedric Richmond Democratic Louisiana – 2nd
Bobby Scott Democratic Virginia – 3rd
David Scott Democratic Georgia – 13th
Terri Sewell Democratic Alabama – 7th
Bennie Thompson Democratic Mississippi – 2nd
Marc Veasey Democratic Texas – 33rd
Maxine Waters Democratic California – 35th
Bonnie Watson Coleman Democratic New Jersey – 12th
Frederica Wilson Democratic Florida – 24th

See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016

[Nanjeanne]

20. That's not the point is it?

It's still not an endorsement from the Congressional Black Caucus.

Are they afraid to use the words "SUPER PAC"? And they don't want to disclose who their donors are?

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/black-americans-super-pac-funded-by-white-guys.html

[Jefferson23]

21. THAT is what they don't want to advertise. n/t

[frazzled]

35. What is YOUR point?

1. Your link has nothing to do with the CBC Super PAC. It's about a Republican super PAC.

2. Yes, Super PACs DO have to report their donors.

Super PACs are a relatively new type of committee that arose following the July 2010 federal court decision in a case known as SpeechNow.org v. Federal Election Commission.

Technically known as independent expenditure-only committees, super PACs may raise unlimited sums of money from corporations, unions, associations and individuals, then spend unlimited sums to overtly advocate for or against political candidates. Unlike traditional PACs, super PACs are prohibited from donating money directly to political candidates, and their spending must not be coordinated with that of the candidates they benefit. Super PACs are required to report their donors to the Federal Election Commission on a monthly or semiannual basis – the super PAC's choice – in off-years, and monthly in the year of an election.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/superpacs.php

3. Are you saying that the Super PACs supporting Sanders are illegitimate and unrepresentative?

http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/12/bernie-sanders-super-pac/420930/

4. The CBC PAC is a PAC, not a Super PAC. And they have reporting requirements, too.

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/lookup2.php?strID=C00147512

Here are their donors:

https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cycle=2016&cmte=C00147512

Nearly every Senator has a "leadership" PAC. Elizabeth Warren has a huge one. https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/summary.php?cid=N00033492

[leveymg]

39. Thanks for that clarification.

The Clinton campaign still needs to clarify that it has not received an endorsement from the CBC proper.

[frazzled]

43. Bernie should stop saying nurses support him

Having the official endorsement of 39 of the 43 Democratic members of the CBC plus the CBC PAC means something. And I haven't seen a single article that says anything other than the CBC PAC is announcing its endorsement of Clinton.

Please stop misrepresenting what is being said/reported and then trying to discredit the false claim you've made up. You are losing this argument, so I'd advise ceasing before it becomes an embarrassment.

[leveymg]

46. Not equivalent. HRC needs to call a presser and explain herself.

Back at you.

[SoapBox]

52. Ohhhhhhhh.....uh huh...

So YOUR point is making distinction between a PAC versus a SUPER PAC....ok then!

And the OP link is some kind of Republican Super PAC? What the hell?

[frazzled]

60. Open the link in the post I was responding to

It has nothing to do with the CBC PAC. It's about a "Black Americans for a Better Future"--a Republican outfit.

Secondly, if you don't know what the difference between a PAC and a Super PAC is, you need to inform yourself.

[baran]

75. Clyburn has not endorsed anyone ... yet

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/rep-james-clyburn-weighing-presidential-endorsement-ahead-sc/story?id=36835890

[frylock]

79. Bill may have to lob him another 2am phone call.

[Kip Humphrey]

22. Thank you for cleaning up this bullshit propaganda.

[thereismore]

30. Is this just a PAC or a super PAC. I think it's just a PAC. nt

[KingFlorez]

34. It is just a PAC

[liberal_at_heart]

49. It's a PAC, but why would they even want a donation from the private prison industry?

[in_cog_ni_to]

33. Not one Corrupt Corporate Owned MSM talking head has had the decency to make that distinction!

At this point, I view the Corrupt Corporate Owned MSM as ENEMIES OF THE PEOPLE. They're criminals. Bought and paid for and pushing the agenda of their Corrupt Corporate Owners and the Corrupt GOVERNMENT. They belong in jail for using OUR airwaves to propagandize for the OLIGARCHS.SHAME ON THEM.

No. Not one lying piece of crap talking head has mentioned the CBC PAC, NOT ONE!

PEACE
LOVE
BERNIE

[Liberal_Stalwart71]

41. And? Even if it was an endorsement, so what? It means nothing. We black people vote using our

own minds!

Don't know how many times we have to tell you folks.

I could give a fuck about Hillary or Sanders.

CONVINCE ME!!

[saidsimplesimon]

45. Reverend Sharpton said

something very similar on MSNBC this morning. This is where I stand.

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[Liberal_Stalwart71]

48. Endorsements mean nothing. The candidate has to convince the people and EARN their vote!

[sadoldgirl]

81. Agreed. As a small canvasser in my

mostly AA district I have pointed this out. I leave
some literature, then tell them their vote is their
own, but to ,please, vote at this most basic part,
where their voice still counts.

[Duval]

42. Thanks for the clarification. Important point. nt

[George II]

51. EVERY news story about this, including all those from yesterday when they were talking about this...

....endorsement explicitly mentioned that it the CBCPAC, not the CBC itself.

The media HAS made the distinction ever since the prospect of this endorsement came up a few days ago.

Please don't try to create an issue that doesn't exist.

[LovingA2andMI]

53. It's A Dog and Pony Show

For Gregory Meeks - who is from New York. Now That That Dog and Pony Show is Over -- Let's Move On To REAL ENDORSEMENTS That Mean Something, Please....

Like Harry....

"Harry Belafonte has endorsed Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders for president, NBC News has learned.

The singer and songwriter who was active in the Civil Rights Movement and close with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. released a video Thursday detailing his endorsement that was given exclusively to NBC News.

"I would suggest to those of you who have not yet made up your minds, or maybe even some of you who have made up your minds, to maybe consider and reconsider what it is that Bernie Sanders offers," Belafonte said in a video endorsing Sanders. "He offers us a chance to declare unequivocally that there is a group of citizens who have a deep caring for where are nation goes and what it does in the process of going."

http://linkis.com/www.nbcnews.com/poli/wKj6q

Harry Belafonte - #GotBerniesBack!

[SoapBox]

55. Funding the CBC PAC...

Well, well, well...what perfect timing for the CBC PAC to speak up, thus inviting scrutiny.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280115775

Included in Lee Fang's looking into the Super Delegate crap, this...

"Looking through the Congressional Black Caucus PAC, I see its funded in part by (white) private prison lobbyist Vic Fazio. I should note after many years of repping Corrections Corp, Fazio now has esteemed clients like Philip Morris."

[Amimnoch]

63. ahh, and there goes the CBC now.. under that bus.

[Recursion]

56. "Leadership PAC", btw, not "Super PAC"

Huge legal difference.

[SoapBox]

58. Keith Ellison speaks on Twitter...

Now on Twitter:

Rep. Keith Ellison
?@keithellison

Cong'l Black Caucus (CBC) has NOT endorsed in presidential. Separate CBCPAC endorsed withOUT input from CBC membership, including me.

https://twitter.com/keithellison/status/697809288203522048

[Amimnoch]

62. Well, he is the sole member of the CBC that has endorsed Senator Sanders

39 others, including 100% of the CBC Leadership has endorsed Hillary directly. 6x undeclared.

That's 85% of the CBC (not CBC-PAC) has endorsed Hillary directly.

It's also not entirely accurate that it was without input, because more than a few of the CBC-PAC leadership are also members of the CBC, and includes at least 1 member of the CBC leadership (Hakeem Jeffries, the whip)

[Amimnoch]

59. Well unable to find anything to confirm that, there is a way to individually check.

The Actual Member list

https://cbc-butterfield.house.gov/members

Hillary Clinton Endorsements

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Hillary_Clinton_presidential_campaign_endorsements,_2016#U.S._Representatives

Between those 2 we have:
GK Butterfield – Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Yvette Clarke – Vice Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Andre Carson – Second Vice Chair : Endorsed Hillary
Karen Bass – Secretary : Endorsed Hillary
Hakeem Jeffries – Whip : Endorsed Hillary

Alma Adams : Endorsed Hillary
Joyce Beatty : Endorsed Hillary
Corrine Brown : Endorsed Hillary
Wm. Lacy Clay : Endorsed Hillary
Emanuel Cleaver, II : Endorsed Hillary
John conyers, Jr. : Endorsed Hillary
Elijah E Cummings : Endorsed Hillary
Danny K Davis : Endorsed Hillary
Donna F. Edwards : Endorsed Hillary
Chaka Fattah : Endorsed Hillary
Marcia L Fudge : Endorsed Hillary
Al Green : Endorsed Hillary
Alcee L Hastings : Endorsed Hillary
Eleanor Holmes : Endorsed Hillary
Sheila Jackson : Endorsed Hillary
Eddie Bernice Johnson : Endorsed Hillary
Hank Johnson : Endorsed Hillary
Robin Kelly : Endorsed Hillary
Brenda Lawrence : Endorsed Hillary
John Lewis : Endorsed Hillary
Gregory W. Meeks : Endorsed Hillary
Gwen Moore : Endorsed Hillary
Donald M Payne, Jr. : Endorsed Hillary
Stacey Plaskett : Endorsed Hillary
Charles B Rangel : Endorsed Hillary
Cedric Richmond : Endorsed Hillary
David Scott : Endorsed Hillary
Robert “bobby” C Scott : Endorsed Hillary
Terri A Sewell : Endorsed Hillary
Bennie Thompson : Endorsed Hillary
Marc Veasey : Endorsed Hillary
Maxine Waters : Endorsed Hillary
Bonnie Watson : Endorsed Hillary
Frederica Wilson : Endorsed Hillary

Keith Ellison : Endorsed Sanders

Sanford D Bishop
Corey Booker
James E Clyburn
Barbara Lee
Mia love
Bobby L Rush
So, 100% of the leadership, including 39 endorsements for Hillary 1 endorsement for Bernie, and 6 undeclared.

What I find interesting is that this statement of separation is coming from one of the 6x undeclared and not from a member of the caucus leadership.

Also, the CBC pac leadership you linked has more than a few of those same names. Doesn't seem like much of a "firewall" to me.

[YOHABLO]

64. Maybe the Sanders endorsers aren't vying for a job in ''her'' administration (if only)

.

[Amimnoch]

65. endorser.. not endorsers. So the CBC goes under the bus as well now.

That will win support for Bernie.

[Nanjeanne]

67. You will have to talk to Barbara Lee

She said on DN this morning that the made the PAC separate from the CBC specifically to keep them separate and were careful to create a -her word- firewall between the two

So give her a call.

[CajunBlazer]

71. Well done, check your mail.

[Amimnoch]

72. Thank you!

LOL, when i first clicked in and saw the mail bar, my first thought was DAMN! I got a hide for that??? Hell, I only laid out facts and no insults at all! Happy to see it was only a heart thank you!

[Blue_Adept]

66. And the pissing contest continues

tit for tat is all that's played here anymore.

[Nanjeanne]

68. Serious question

The members of Congress need and get money from the DNC and DCC etc? Don't they?

So just speculating but it would be stepping out to not endorse a candidate the Dem Party strongly wants wouldn't it?

Just something I've been thinking about. Wonder if there were any "discussions" about party support for their reelections.

[Jefferson23]

69. Don't ask these complicated questions, Nanjeanne.

Our side has FULL transparency always. lol

[arcane1]

73. You will see many people "conveniently omit" that distinction. n/t

[senz]

74. Barbara Lee is the opposite of Hillary Clinton.

Rep. Lee is pure honor and integrity.

Hillary's opposite in every way.

[grasswire]

76. Oh!!!!!!!!!!!!!! nt`

[SidDithers]

77. Why are you calling the CBCPAC a SuperPAC?...

I mean, since you seem to be so interested in detail and accuracy.

Sid

[Empowerer]

80. Just like Planned Parenthood PAC endorsement wasn't from Planned Parenthood, but Sander supporters

called for Planned Parenthood to be punished for it anyway . . .

[Nanjeanne]

82. I thought Planned Parenthood endorsed Hillary. Was there also a PP PAC?

Never heard of it.

[Empowerer]

83. Planned Parenthood did not endorse Hillary. It was the Planned Parenthood Political Action Fund

[Nanjeanne]

84. Gee - wonder why I didn't know that - guess the media didn't stress that

I'll have to check what Clinton herself says - does she say Planned Parenthood endorsed her - or that the Political Action Fund does.

Thanks for letting me know.