I posted this in another thread but think it needs its own...the fix is in.

[OnlinePoker]

As of right now, with 86% of the vote in, Sanders has a 60 to 39% lead over Clinton. Total delegates available from N.H. including supers is 32. Not counting the votes not yet counted, Clinton has 15 delegates and Sanders has 13. Super delegates should be banned. It's a disgrace to the will of the people.

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/nh/Dem

[Motown_Johnny]

1. only earned delegates count until the convention

don't let them distract you

[Samantha]

2. But people are posting them now

I was in another conversation and learned that Huffington Post counts them now. I checked and they do.

Sam

[nadinbrzezinski]

4. They did in 2008 as well

[nadinbrzezinski]

3. A look back at 2008 would be instructive

super delegate race was hers until super delegates started to switch before the convention, They are not locked in stone.

Though that will be the absolute (and it is the new) talking point. It will have the same luster I suspect as it did in 2008.

As an observer I am seeing the same exact pattern. A few weeks ago I told a poster here over PM that Sanders was slowly rebuilding the Obama coalition, and I still believe that he is.

[emsimon33]

5. It a disgrace to the democratic process.

If super delegate decide the primary there will be blood in the streets and Hillary and no other Clinton will ever hold public office. She will lose the general election by a landslide--the greatest in history--and those "super delegates" will be lobbyist, not public office holders.

[jillan]

12. Agreed! All hell will break loose. People are pumped for Bernie.

[politicaljunkie41910]

6. Well Bernie knew the score when he decided to run in the Democratic Primary

If he doesn't like it know, perhaps he should run as the Independent he has always been, since up until recently he was insisting that he wasn't a Democrat.

[leftupnorth]

7. I firmly believe that if the two corporate parties didn't have

a stranglehold on the process, we wouldn't be talking about this.

Let's face it. Both parties have become an obstruction of the will of the people. It doesn't have to be that way, but that's the reality.

[pacalo]

8. +1.

Bravo.

[VulgarPoet]

9. +1. This is exactly why the Founding Fathers were against a two-party system

funny how that all works, innit?

[Fumesucker]

15. I don't think that's quite right, the FF were against parties not just a two party system

Evidently building a democratic system that remains free of political parties is something that has not yet been accomplished if it is even possible.

[VulgarPoet]

23. Weird. Every anecdote I heard in history or civics classes was just against the two party system

learn something new every day, I suppose

[tazkcmo]

28. Yep.

Talk about ponies, huh? In spite of the accurate feelings of the FF's (hate that term) it's human nature to coalesce into like feeling groups. It's this natural behavior that makes me prefer a parliamentary system over our 2 party system. Oh well.

[GoneFishin]

16. +1

[WillyT]

22. + 1,000,000,000 - What You Said !!!

[raouldukelives]

25. +1 to that. We live in the most change shareholders cannot block.

It doesn't have to be that way, but they keep choosing personal wealth for CEO's and themselves over having a legitimate voice for change.

[farleftlib]

27. That's what we're up against. n/t

[emsimon33]

30. +1 +1 +1 +1

[frylock]

10. Nighty-night!

[Spitfire of ATJ]

13. It's a little late to pull the loyalty thing.

[SoapBox]

14. Ditto!

[Peace Patriot]

11. Yup, it's the shits. It was the shits when it happened. It's the shits now.

And I hope that this fight is mounted at the Democratic Convention! The super-delegates MUST GO!

Oligarchy or democracy--we've got to choose democracy, within the Democratic Party and within the country.

Maybe the super-delegates will be thrown out quicker if they try to pull off a rigged convention. But a rigged nomination, for sure, and the fight that will ensue at the convention and afterwards in every local central committee in the country, will tear the party to pieces, AND, the likely consequence of a rigged nomination-- of a Trump or Cruz or Rubio entering the White House--will be catastrophic for our country and possibly for the world.

I think, at this point--as things are going now--that we are going to have a "brokered" convention, which may not be a bad thing. If the "super-delegates" care for their country and their party, they will work out a compromise--perhaps with an alternative candidate such as Elizabeth Warren (she would be a brilliant compromise). Delegates are only obliged to vote for their candidate on the first vote. And I'm trying to remember the rules for "super-delegates," but I believe that they are flexible at least up to the convention and probably through rounds of votes. The convention does NOT have to choose Bernie Sanders or Hillary Clinton. OR, the compromise could be something else--a left/right balanced ticket, say Sanders-Clinton, or Clinton-Warren. (Wouldn't THAT be something--a two-woman ticket! Warren is much close to Sanders on policy.)

If the "super-delegates" can act fairly in the case of a seriously split convention, and behave themselves, and don't rig it for the "anointed one" (Hillary Clinton), then they might keep their power for future use. I wouldn't agree with that--I think we must shed that category of delegate--but I'd be willing to wait to accomplish it, IF they manage to hold the party together, and win in November, with a good ticket--that is, one committed to a substantial portion of Sanders' goals.

It is simply WRONG that Sanders gets 60% of the vote in NH, and Clinton only gets 40%, and she ends up with MORE delegates that him. That is WRONG!

But that's what our party leaders did to us back in 1982--and the issue then, as now, was how to undemocratize the Democratic Party and make it more malleable by the power brokers who hung out with millions and billionaires, who, in this way, took control of our party.

[SoLeftIAmRight]

17. another thing to take care of during the revolution

we have lots of work to do

[HubertHeaver]

19. The delegates elected tonight are dedicated to their respective candidate at the convention.

But that is for the first ballot only. The supers are dedicated to no one and can shift at will.

[Ino]

21. Bernie's young folks are not going to work for Hillary.

I'm going to bookmark your post for future laughs.

Thanks for dropping by

[TheBlackAdder]

20. Nothing questions "Political Legitimacy" like Tea Party & Grover Norquist style "Loyalty Pledges."

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Sure, she has super delegates, but if they go too far away from popular support, it reinforces a rigged system.


The HRC oaths are no different than the Norquist Loyalty Pledges that hamstring the Republicans from action.


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[VulgarPoet]

24. +1

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. It'll play out how it plays out.

If superdelegates switch the nominee from the person with the most regular delegates to the other, there will be a rebellion, and the GE will probably be lost. Superdelegates exist to make the party seem MORE unified than it actually is, not to make sure the hoi-polloi don't nominate someone the elites don't want in.

[MineralMan]

29. A little patience is needed this early in the primary process.

Only two states have had primary events. There are still 48 to go. It's far too early to start talking about a "fix" being in place. Watch the upcoming primaries and caucuses. The entire nation holds primaries for both parties.

It's very likely that, by the time the convention rolls around, one or the other candidate will already have enough delegates pledged to have a majority at the convention, without the superdelegates.

If that doesn't happen, then there's an issue. But it's very unlikely that someone won't have a majority without even considering the superdelegates, who can change their votes at any time.

Instead, work to help the candidate you favor win more primaries and caucuses. We have a system that will select a nominee. That's a given. Complaining about that system without working within it is not how to get your candidate the nomination.

Whoever you support, work to help that candidate. That's the answer to all of this.