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BooScout

(10,406 posts)
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:20 AM Feb 2016

Passing the torch or sharing the torch?

Recently I have increasingly seen comments in the news and around the web from some millennial women that the 'older' women of the boomer generation need to let go and pass the torch to the younger generations. Their premise is that they are well prepared to fight the fight for us in their own way and know what they are doing. Many want Bernie Sanders for President. Others, perhaps not of this mindset want Hillary Clinton for President.

Aside from the fact that this sort of hurts my feelings to dismiss me as if I am in my rocking chair already at the ripe old age of 55, I couldn't disagree with the thought more.

It's not about passing the torch, but it is about sharing the torch. One generation need not get out of the way while another generation 'get's it done'. It should be about women of all generations lifting ourselves up. We need to stand side by side and we need to help each other climb to the top and shatter those glass ceilings. As one friend of mine put it, the younger women need to stand on the shoulders of those that went before them. We certainly don't need to pit older against younger. As women, we need to work together and we don't need to dismiss the accomplishments of each other to advance our cause.

We older women were there for the millennials their entire lives. We fought long and hard for women's rights and issues and we will continue that fight until the day we die. Women of my generation and the generations before me have fought for centuries to get where we are today. Our fight isn't over and we learn from each other and those that went before us. We never forget what we have done to get here.

100 years ago, women in America didn't even have the vote. We still only have 20 women Senators and only 84 Congresswomen. In the 240 years of Presidents in America we have never had a woman President. Some of these millennial women want us to elect Bernie Sanders because they believe he has better credentials regarding women's rights and issues than Hillary. While I don't doubt that Sanders has supported women's issues and rights in the past, with all due respect, he has not walked in our shoes and I believe that Hillary not only has walked in our shoes, she has fought long and hard for us and it's not just another issue for her, it's who she is.

During this election we women have had to walk a hard road. Many of us have been criticized and had the charge that we are voting with 'our vagina's' leveled at us because we support a woman. The fact that Hillary is the most qualified candidate for President to come along in a generation is dismissed under a barrage of half truths, outright lies, smears and anything else that can be thrown at her. And now...we are being told we are too old to count anymore.

I am telling you here and now.....it's not about old vs young. It's about working together and not tearing each other down. If you don't support Hillary then that's ok, because she supports you. She always has and she always will.

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Passing the torch or sharing the torch? (Original Post) BooScout Feb 2016 OP
Excellent Post, Boo! leftofcool Feb 2016 #1
A wonderful post! NurseJackie Feb 2016 #2
And thats absolutely true! Iliyah Feb 2016 #8
You mean, LWolf Feb 2016 #3
"She always has and she always will." Alfresco Feb 2016 #4
Good read! Iliyah Feb 2016 #5
Great post! Lucinda Feb 2016 #6
Thank you, Boo. That's so inspiring and heartfelt.. and so true! Cha Feb 2016 #7
Well said! Spazito Feb 2016 #9
Wow! Outstanding! H2O Man Feb 2016 #10
So...about that complaint jeff47 Feb 2016 #11
Excellent Post ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #12
You are expecting young women to "do as their told". Avalux Feb 2016 #13
What about gay rights? TTUBatfan2008 Feb 2016 #14
Women who were 20 in 2015 have different priorities than women who were 20 in 1975 Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #15
... BooScout Feb 2016 #16
I am not spending 20 minutes on that video, sorry. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #17
... BooScout Feb 2016 #18
I guess that part about being condescending went over your head. Motown_Johnny Feb 2016 #19
... BooScout Feb 2016 #20
Post removed Post removed Feb 2016 #21
I'd like to tell it was worth the effort. frylock Feb 2016 #22
Great post Boo. Thoughtful and heartfelt. Laser102 Feb 2016 #23
Thanks Boo Excellent post rbrnmw Feb 2016 #24
Well said!! DesertRat Feb 2016 #25
Wonderful post, Boo! NastyRiffraff Feb 2016 #26
Excellent post, Boo. Hekate Feb 2016 #27
Excellent!!! northoftheborder Feb 2016 #28

NurseJackie

(42,862 posts)
2. A wonderful post!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:24 AM
Feb 2016
If you don't support Hillary then that's ok, because she supports you. She always has and she always will.


... and an excellent closing line! Well done!

LWolf

(46,179 posts)
3. You mean,
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:25 AM
Feb 2016

kinda like suggesting that the civil rights leaders of the past are just that, the past, and not relevant today?

As a boomer female, I can say that I'm happy to share the torch with my younger sisters, and I don't think they are betraying a damned thing if they don't support Hillary Rodham Clinton.

As a matter of fact, I fully support this young woman:

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/feeling-the-yern-why-one-millennial-woman-would-rather-go-to-hell-than-vote-for-hillary-8253224

Iliyah

(25,111 posts)
5. Good read!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:33 AM
Feb 2016

The torch is there for anyone who wants to run with it. As a 33 years old, I've been holding it and caring it for most of my adult life, and acknowledge that the generations before helped paved the way and that they are still paving it. Hats off to them!

And I appreciate and respect them

Cha

(296,562 posts)
7. Thank you, Boo. That's so inspiring and heartfelt.. and so true!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 10:43 AM
Feb 2016

I have not seen that passing the torch talk and I'm glad I haven't. It makes no sense at all. Every generation is in this together. I know my daughter and I are.. and my granddaughter.

H2O Man

(73,449 posts)
10. Wow! Outstanding!
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:02 AM
Feb 2016

This is the type of OP that once defined DU as the most valuable internet political discussion site. I am so thankful that you contributed this wonderful piece to the conversation.

Recommended.

jeff47

(26,549 posts)
11. So...about that complaint
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:41 AM
Feb 2016

Did you think about the odd transposition of these sentences?

While I don't doubt that Sanders has supported women's issues and rights in the past, with all due respect, he has not walked in our shoes


Many of us have been criticized and had the charge that we are voting with 'our vagina's' leveled at us because we support a woman.

Your claim appears to be that you support Clinton because she's a woman - Sanders has not walked in your shoes. You then rail against complaints that you are voting for Clinton because she's a woman.

That's kind of a jarring shift in adjacent paragraphs, in an otherwise good post. Would you like people to not complain about it, or did you want to make the "better for women" argument based on something other than Clinton's gender?
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
12. Excellent Post ...
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 11:50 AM
Feb 2016

I couldn't agree more. I've been seeing the same narrative playing out with respect to Peoples of Color ... with the narrative being, "the old guard needs to pass the torch to younger activists ... (sub-text: "you are/have become the 'establishment' that we are fighting&quot .

A couple thoughts:

First, the only place I am hearing that is on the internet! And, generally, from a non-Black person the writings of a Black blogger (I wonder how much time they spend search the digital high and low-lands to find their daily installment of, "See ... this Black guy/woman agrees with me! Why don't you get it?&quot

I spend, considerable time in the real world, working along side Millennials (and younger). I have never heard this.

Next, strangely absent from the discussion is the "divisive" narrative. Black and white can't talk about Race because it is the divisive tool of the oligarchs ... but, it is NOT divisive to talk about the "age divide" among women and people of color.

Avalux

(35,015 posts)
13. You are expecting young women to "do as their told".
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

Do you have daughters? I have three, and lecturing them about what they should do never worked for me as a mother. They have to find their own way, and experience life on their own terms.

This campaign tactic of older women shaming younger women in the hopes of gaining their support just doesn't work. I understand your personal feelings about this, and a lot of it has to do with fear. Young women aren't buying into the fear that drives so many Hillary voters.

 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
15. Women who were 20 in 2015 have different priorities than women who were 20 in 1975
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:27 PM
Feb 2016

Older women seem to think that the same challenges exist. To some extent they do, but other challenges now exist also.

These young women have the right to set their own priorities.



Their premise is that they are well prepared to fight the fight for us in their own way and know what they are doing . Many want Bernie Sanders for President. Others, perhaps not of this mindset want Hillary Clinton for President.

Aside from the fact that this sort of hurts my feelings to dismiss me as if I am in my rocking chair already at the ripe old age of 55, I couldn't disagree with the thought more.




https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/condescending

^snip^

If you are being condescending, you are looking down on someone. A 10-year-old who says to his sibling, "What do you know? You're only a 6-year-old!" is being condescending.








 

Motown_Johnny

(22,308 posts)
17. I am not spending 20 minutes on that video, sorry.
Tue Feb 9, 2016, 12:30 PM
Feb 2016

Please try a more direct approach to refute my argument.


Thanks.



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