2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHenry Kissinger knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders
He used that knowledge to prop up the Pinochet government and to expand the Vietnam War.
Colin Powell knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.
He used his knowledge to lie about the dangers of Iraq so that we could invade a country that was not a threat.
Condoleeza Rice knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.
She continued the lies of the bush administration to ensure that the United States could continue to destabilize the entire Middle-East for years.
And yes, Hillary Clinton knows more about foreign policy than Bernie Sanders.
She used that knowledge to push for the bombing of Libya, another country that presented no threat to this country.
The combined knowledge of Kissinger, Powell, Rice, and Clinton has cost this world countless lives, countless wealth, and countless opportunities for peace.
In the end, the question isn't how much does our Commander in Chief know; the question is whether they have the judgment to make the right call when the warmongers start calling for blood.
Hillary Clinton has proved time and again that she lacks the necessary wisdom and judgment to be our Commander in Chief no matter how many world leaders she's helped kill.
Edited to add: A few posters have written to ask if they could use this OP in other social media venues. I'm very flattered by the requests and if anyone wants to use it, please do. There is no need for attribution. The important thing is to make sure as many people know there is a difference between knowing a fact and having the judgment to make the right decision.
liberal_at_heart
(12,081 posts)onecaliberal
(32,991 posts)m-lekktor
(3,675 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,976 posts)when most of what you know, or what you do with what you know, is bad.
Response to last1standing (Original post)
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last1standing
(11,709 posts)Thanks. I fixed it.
djean111
(14,255 posts)That's what I am afraid of - the Third Way stuff that Hillary could get done.
McKim
(2,412 posts)Yes, she can get things done, like wars and hostility in the Middle East, calling Iran our enemy. I mean really! Getting things done like overthrowing Ghaddafi and turning Libya into a failed state so ISIS can take it over. Getting things done like funding the rebels in Syria and letting the whole country self destruct. It scares the daylights out of me to think of what she will get done if selected President.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)immoderate
(20,885 posts)Judgement deals with the present. Experience applies to the past!
--imm
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)tecelote
(5,122 posts)Why Hillary has to be a hawk and is blind to the many thousands that die from her hand, I'll never understand.
Vote for Bernie and save lives while building a better America for all Americans.
Thanks for posting.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I could see Kissinger making the same joke.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)She's never met a bomb she didn't want to explode in a brown person's village.
tecelote
(5,122 posts)I believe he intended to.
Then he made Hillary S.O.S. and the wars have been perpetuated.
I'll bet he regrets that choice and regrets being unable to keep that promise.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)But when you make a deal with a neoliberal hawk who wants more blood, and give her a prime position with which to wage war, that's what you get.
I understand why he made the deal he did, but it was still his final decision.
Bubzer
(4,211 posts)amborin
(16,631 posts)KingCharlemagne
(7,908 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)beam me up scottie
(57,349 posts)TIME TO PANIC
(1,894 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,524 posts)Thanks for the thread, last1standing.
forest444
(5,902 posts)That takes skill, given how much most of the rest of the world admires American culture and lifestyle.
Wherever you go in the world, Kissinger - along with the aforementioned regime - is often mentioned as the very personification of America's dark side.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I basically agree with you but felt these spawns of Satan deserved mention
chervilant
(8,267 posts)I recommend that you read "The American Age," by Walter LaFeber. It's quite an eye-opening history of US foreign policy. The Dulles boys were horrible.
RufusTFirefly
(8,812 posts)I do know of two others about the Dulles brothers though:
The Brothers: John Foster Dulles, Allen Dulles, and Their Secret World War
by Stephen Kinzer
The Devil's Chessboard: Allen Dulles, the CIA, and the Rise of America's Secret Government, by David Talbot
Haven't read either book (yet!), although I've read two other books by Kinzer and one by Talbot. I'll add LaFeber's book to my rapidly expanding list!
Thanks for the recommendation!
forest444
(5,902 posts)According to most accounts, they - and Prescott Bush - are the people who were the most responsible for pushing our intelligence agencies into the malicious funk they've been in ever since.
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)forest444
(5,902 posts)It's too bad people like our friend Henry will have to wait until the next life to face justice. Perhaps it's for the best; after all, he's 92 and of course incapable of atoning for anything. What would be the point.
H2O Man
(73,692 posts)Very well said.
Recommended.
Cleita
(75,480 posts)SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)democrank
(11,112 posts)~PEACE~
Jefferson23
(30,099 posts)The question, well one of them anyway, are enough Americans
sick of this world view and will they allow themselves to be
frightened enough to continue to support her.
Some clearly support an iron fist and her definition of diplomacy
is frightening as she explained herself the other night.
frylock
(34,825 posts)SMC22307
(8,090 posts)I'd make it one of those quiet ads that make you look up at the TV. Or one with outstanding music that really grabs your attention. I'd show imagery of all the "experts" and the disastrous effects of their foreign policy "knowledge." It would have to be done in such a way that viewers wouldn't feel like they were being beaten over the head with the message, or open Sanders to accusations of being "unpatriotic." Throw in digs at Wall Street and the war profiteers. It would end by praising Sanders and his overall good JUDGMENT, primarily on Iraq, and his unwavering support for veterans.
Yeah, someone in the biz could really create a brilliant ad.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)He squandered so much respect and good will. He could have run on the Democratic OR Republican ticket. I think a lot of people would never have supported the war if he hadn't have put his integrity on the line.
Dulles, Kissenger, Haig, Schultz, Rice.. you knew that you were getting a sleazy war hawk. But Colin was different; he 'got' Vietnam, he walked that line between military honor and not getting American boys killed needlessly. Or so we thought. Whe he sold out it was like a traitor opening the gates to the enemy. In a way he has more to answer for; he used his immense credibility (honestly earned) to sell a completely needless war that further and forever besmirched what little goodwill we had in the world, that reeked, and reeks of aggression on a par with the worst of the USSR and Third Reich.
Regards.
SMC22307
(8,090 posts)But "the masses" think highly of him, and if he were used in an ad like that, it would backfire. I'd use images of Rice, Wolfowitz, Rumsfield, Feith, etc.
The Green Manalishi
(1,054 posts)Response to last1standing (Original post)
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WillyT
(72,631 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)The Honduran Coups Ugly Aftermath
August 19, 2015
Exclusive: As Secretary of State in 2009, Hillary Clinton helped a right-wing coup in Honduras remove an elected left-of-center president, setting back the cause of democracy and enabling corrupt and drug-tainted forces to tighten their grip on the poverty-stricken country, as Jonathan Marshall explains.
...
The Obama administration has expressed sympathy for anti-corruption movements in Central America, but has yet to acknowledge its failure to protect democracy in Honduras against a military coup in 2009, which set the stage for that countrys current crisis.
Bowing to pressure from conservative Republicans in Congress, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton refused to condemn the ouster of leftist President Manuel Zelaya in 2009. By her own admission, she began plotting within days to prevent him from returning to office.
Her recently released emails show that she sought help from a pro-coup lobbyist for Honduran business interests to establish communications with the new military-backed president. She also approved the continuation of U.S. aid to the illegitimate new regime, blocked demands by the Organization of American States for Zelayas return, and accepted subsequent presidential elections that were condemned by most international observers as unfair and marred by violent intimidation.
...
Another HRC triumph.
...And here's more -
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslatinamericaforeignpolicy.html
Hard choices: Hillary Clinton admits role in Honduran coup aftermath
Clintons embrace of far-right narrative on Latin America is part of electoral strategy
September 29, 2014 6:00AM ET
by Mark Weisbrot
In a recent op-ed in The Washington Post, former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton used a review of Henry Kissingers latest book, World Order, to lay out her vision for sustaining Americas leadership in the world. In the midst of numerous global crises, she called for return to a foreign policy with purpose, strategy and pragmatism. She also highlighted some of these policy choices in her memoir Hard Choices and how they contributed to the challenges that Barack Obamas administration now faces.
The chapter on Latin America, particularly the section on Honduras, a major source of the child migrants currently pouring into the United States, has gone largely unnoticed. In letters to Clinton and her successor, John Kerry, more than 100 members of Congress have repeatedly warned about the deteriorating security situation in Honduras, especially since the 2009 military coup that ousted the countrys democratically elected President Manuel Zelaya. As Honduran scholar Dana Frank points out in Foreign Affairs, the U.S.-backed post-coup government rewarded coup loyalists with top ministries, opening the door for further violence and anarchy.
The homicide rate in Honduras, already the highest in the world, increased by 50 percent from 2008 to 2011; political repression, the murder of opposition political candidates, peasant organizers and LGBT activists increased and continue to this day. Femicides skyrocketed. The violence and insecurity were exacerbated by a generalized institutional collapse. Drug-related violence has worsened amid allegations of rampant corruption in Honduras police and government. While the gangs are responsible for much of the violence, Honduran security forces have engaged in a wave of killings and other human rights crimes with impunity.
Despite this, however, both under Clinton and Kerry, the State Departments response to the violence and military and police impunity has largely been silence, along with continued U.S. aid to Honduran security forces. In Hard Choices, Clinton describes her role in the aftermath of the coup that brought about this dire situation. Her firsthand account is significant both for the confession of an important truth and for a crucial false testimony.
....
It is simply reprehensible.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)EndElectoral
(4,213 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Kissinger, Rice, Baker, Bush the Elder, Clinton. et al.. All one big club.
That's a whole other huge issue.. Disaster Capitalism.--- we practice it throughout the world..
South America, ME, Africa, Indonesia, South Asia. It is mind boggling.
Don't tell me for one second that Hillary didn't know exactly what the invasion of Iraq was about. Shit, "I", "EYE", "ME", "I" knew.
She's lying through her teeth.
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)She said she was sorry.
Cher
polly7
(20,582 posts)last1standing
(11,709 posts)I think the real problem is her bloody choices haven't actually been mistakes, they've been calculated decisions to increase the wealth of her associates and herself.
bread_and_roses
(6,335 posts)The toll of these actions - the endless death and destruction - are beyond appalling.
shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)Kicked out of his country wearing pajamas. A real blot on this administration and on HRC. All of it done so western (especially Canadian) gold companies could extract resources from Honduras at will. Today, Nicaragua is the stable formerly war-torn nation in Central America. Women and children showing up on our border were from Honduras, Guatemala and El Salvador - the three countries where we have had our hands on the steering wheel for decades. The one country out of our grasp - Nicaragua seems to be faring much better. Watched a travel show a while back and dude was advocating that hitch-hiking was a great way to see Nicaragua. Try that in Honduras and see where you end up?
Thanks for reminding people that the American Empire slogs onward, and Pax Americana is a Wall Street myth. The mess in Venezuela is much in part due to Uncle Sam's meddling in their affairs at the expense of the poor working class in favor of the landed gentry and business class. As is always the case in Latin America.
What did the people in Central America ever do to the people of the United States??
What did the Iraqi people ever do to the people of the United States??
Oilwellian
(12,647 posts)the Honduran coup would not have occurred if it did not have our blessing. Obama condemned the action and asked that Zelaya be returned to power. Then all you heard from was Hillary.
This is an excellent article covering the events of the coup and Hillary's involvement. For no other reason, this is why she should never be given control of this country. When I hear her talk about how much she cares about women and children, I think of the Honduran children as young as three and four, being put on a train by their terrified parents, with the hope they will live another day. Can you imagine how desperate they had to be to say goodbye to their child, put them on a train and hope they survived?
To make matters worse, when the children began pouring across our border by the thousands, Hillary said in an interview with Amanpour that they should be sent back. I think that should be put on her resume. Another failed state under Hillary's watch, and this one in particular was for Uncle Lanny.
It's always about the money, and corruption, and people die because of it.
In the subsequent days [after the coup] I spoke with my counterparts around the hemisphere We strategized on a plan to restore order in Honduras and ensure that free and fair elections could be held quickly and legitimately, which would render the question of Zelaya moot.
One of those strategic partners appears to have been Clinton family legal pitbull, Lanny Davis, deployed as an auxiliary weapon against the rightful, legal, democratically elected president of Honduras. Davis famously defended President Bill Clinton during his impeachment proceedings, and hes been on Team Clinton for decades, most recently serving as a booster for Hillarys campaign in its early days.
Davis, along with another close Clinton associate Bennett Ratcliff, launched a Washington lobbying offensive in support of the coup government and its oligarchic backers, penning a Wall Street Journal op-ed, testifying before a Congressional committee, and undoubtedly knocking on office doors on Capitol Hill, where he enjoys bipartisan connections, which valuable asset he demonstrated during his committee hearing.
If you want to understand who the real power behind the [Honduran] coup is, you need to find out whos paying Lanny Davis, said Robert White, former ambassador to El Salvador, just a month after the coup. Speaking to Roberto Lovato for the American Prospect, Davis revealed who that was: My clients represent the CEAL, the [Honduras Chapter of] Business Council of Latin America. In other words, the oligarchs who preside over a country with a 65 percent poverty rate. The emerging understanding, that the powerful oligarchs were behind the coup, began to solidify, and the Clinton cliques allegiances were becoming pretty clear. If you can believe it, Clintons team sided with the wealthy elite.
Salon
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)I constantly hear how Clinton has 'worked for women and children' her entire career, but her war-hawk policies have caused more harm to women and children than anything she's done for a specific subset of women and children.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Her Body Count is up there with Henry Kissinger's,
and they make such a cute couple.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)Demonstrates she's fully embraced being a war hawk
Cheese Sandwich
(9,086 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)Bernie Sanders is not a Disaster Capitalist.
WhaTHellsgoingonhere
(5,252 posts)Teach a course on foreign policy, Hillary, we're tired of your "dumb" wars.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,031 posts)hibbing
(10,113 posts)Had to look up from my laptop and then say wth, turned back to Du and someone had already posted about it.
Peace
Joe Chi Minh
(15,229 posts)institute of higher learning, the School of the Americas, isn't he ? Also, I believe I heard that that London-based Observatory of Human Rights, pronouncing on atrocities and war crimes in Iraq and Syria, is affiliated to the School of the Americas. Would that be right ? The world certainly needs such bulwarks of freedom, democracy and plain common decency, doesn't it ?
Mbrow
(1,090 posts)K&R
Gman
(24,780 posts)Do you guys message back and forth about what you can come up with next?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)n/t
retrowire
(10,345 posts)hillarysupporters.com and jackassradicals?
No, we maintain original thought.
treestar
(82,383 posts)to see the SOS as having "killed" people when there was a war of any kind.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Do you really think twisting the truth into an absolute Hillary is going to work?
treestar
(82,383 posts)Word salad.
Face it, the average voter will not respond to the description of a President during wartime as the "killer" of the people who died.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)You're making things up the argument you wish was being discussed and staking out a position from there - just like NoHope Hillary does. Making shit up and expecting others to go along with it is now being called "pulling a Hillary" as that's her modus operandi.
To make it even more clear for you. I'm not falling for your bullshit strawman arguments that have nothing to do with the OP. That kind of argument is pathetic and those who use them should be shamed for their willing deceptions.
Arazi
(6,829 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)As far as messaging back and forth, that is purely projection. We know all about the "Think Tank" and the list of tactics.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)bbmykel
(282 posts)Nice post.
We need to change the "conventional wisdom" on both economics and foreign policy and Bernie can do that!
moondust
(20,025 posts)d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Makes sense if all they can talk about is bombing (insert foreign nation boggie man here) back to the stone age. Military intervention should always be a last resort.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)but hey we can't all agree. however it was a mistake to get the nimrod killed. smh. that was a major error. similar to the debacle Bush faced when the video of Saddams Hanging made it out to the known world.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Kissinger, Rice, Baker, Bush the Elder, Clinton. et al.. All one big club.
That's a whole other huge issue.. Disaster Capitalism.--- we practice it throughout the world..
South America, ME, Africa, Indonesia, South Asia. It is mind boggling.
Don't tell me for one second that Hillary didn't know exactly what the invasion of Iraq was about. Shit, "I", "EYE", "ME", "I" knew.
She's lying through her teeth.
Ferd Berfel
(3,687 posts)hellovathing to model yourself after
Mira
(22,381 posts)I love it when that happens to something this important
last1standing
(11,709 posts)You're hitting all the milestones today.
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Last night she talked about bin Laden as if his head was on her wall too.
treestar
(82,383 posts)It's one thing to know a lot and a different thing to misuse the knowledge. You're implying that simply having knowledge is evil. Sort of like just having money is evil. It's oversimplified.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)But you often find a way to "misread" posts you don't like so it's not likely your opinion will change.
treestar
(82,383 posts)bad things you thought they did, then equated Hillary with them for knowing a lot about foreign affairs. In effect you are implying that knowing a lot means doing what you see as bad things.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Making shit up doesn't make it true. You're not NoHope Hillary.
Logical
(22,457 posts)rynestonecowboy
(76 posts)Hillary is a pro at it.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)And it positively reeks of NoHope Hillary.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)This discussion is in the GD: P correct?
last1standing
(11,709 posts)One claimed the OP was dishonest but can't explain how. The second called it "apples to oranges" then proceeded to distort everything I wrote.
Sounds about right for NoHope Hillary supporters.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)One claimed I was saying that having no knowledge was a good thing, another started talking about Madeline Albright. It must be rather embarrassing for them knowing they support a candidate who emulates some of the worst past Secretaries in history so they're not showing up.
dae
(3,396 posts)lexington filly
(239 posts)I don't get this thread. It seems folks are praising a lack of knowledge rather than pressing Bernie to cram and broaden his knowledge about important foreign policy and national security issues. Knowledge upon which to base judgment is critical, especially when one lacks the experience. Denying he has a problem in this area isn't going to get him elected. Just saying......
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Bernie has knowledge and good judgment. NoHope Hillary does not.
Does that clear it up for you?
The Wielding Truth
(11,415 posts)us and the world.
Democrats -left leaning with courage- have to get us out of this mess that the Corp lackeys have slipped us into.Allowing FOX to poison the minds of so many to vote against there own interests and allowing Citizens United to rob us of the power of our vote and the money of the very wealthy to buy representatives who have and will dismantle our government to the point where we cannot even speak our piece.
It is Bernie not Hillary who has awakened so many with a message of WE THE PEOPLE.
How will we hold her to her mirror image of Bernie? Once nominated will her message change again? The Right Wing is very powerful and very anti Clinton. If she is our nominee will she be able to get any more done than a man whose life work has been to profess the realities around us when she has taken help from the huge donors that have controlled political decisions?
Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)but you don't 'know' enough about it. You work with him, using your judgement with his knowledge, to figure out how to solve your problem.
Every President winds up with huge numbers of people who 'know' surrounding them. No President 'knows' everything they need to to fix every problem, which is why they all have so many advisors.
Hillary has more 'experience' in foreign affairs, but less experience in other things. That's no slur on Hillary, that's called 'being a human being'. You only get experience by doing things, and you only have so much time - if you're doing X, you're getting experience in X, and don't have that time to be getting experience in Y. So Bernie has more experience in domestic issues, Hillary in foreign affairs. Right now, the problems facing the United States are mostly domestic, things we've inflicted upon ourselves, although thanks to the foreign affairs types who 'know', we do have plenty of foreign problems too.
wolfie001
(2,298 posts).....OUCH!!!! That hurts..........
Go Bernie!
whatchamacallit
(15,558 posts)I'll keep this handy cuz I know we'll be hearing the "experience argument" again.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)SHRED
(28,136 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)Ashton picks Russia as #1 threat.
Bernie says an alienated North Korea is far more dangerous.
WIN: Bernie.
Warmongering loser: Ashton Farter.
sulphurdunn
(6,891 posts)is controlled by neocons, which is remarkable, considering they are warmongers and are always wrong. Sanders should consider saying the obvious about the serious problems with our neocon foreign policy and quit deferring to Clinton's 'experience.' How's that worked for us?
Thespian2
(2,741 posts)greiner3
(5,214 posts)Nuff said
azurnoir
(45,850 posts)dlwickham
(3,316 posts)Madeline Albright knows more than Bernie Sanders as does John Kerry
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Not really sure what your comment had to do with the OP other than that.
frylock
(34,825 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Madeleine "What good is a military if you can't use it" Albright?
THAT Madeleine Albright?
Logical
(22,457 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)dchill
(38,609 posts)for decades. Power is a hunger that many can't seem to satiate. American foreign policy needs to go on a diet.
ozone_man
(4,825 posts)Including Hillary.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Criminals are "those" people who don't have a power structure to shield them.
grntuscarora
(1,249 posts)shadowmayor
(1,325 posts)The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.
Paka
(2,760 posts)rwsanders
(2,614 posts)Iggy Knorr
(247 posts)We don't need that brand of foreign policy...
Hit the road, war criminals and those who give them lap dances.
Admiral Loinpresser
(3,859 posts)azmom
(5,208 posts)John Poet
(2,510 posts)I DO NOT "stand proudly" with Hillary, or her war-criminal pal Henry Kissinger.
AllyCat
(16,260 posts)that knowledge?" Thank you for succinctly pointing out what the war mongers do with that knowledge.
avaistheone1
(14,626 posts)k&r
burrowowl
(17,655 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)As others said...nailed it.
BainsBane
(53,127 posts)Without interest, one cannot acquire knowledge. http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/bernie-sanders-foreign-policy-deficit-218431
There are two possible explanations for Sanders failure to surround himself with a team of foreign policy experts to prepare him for becoming President: 1) he doesn't really expect to be elected president; 2) he's not interested; or of course a combination of both.
He may not have thought he would get the nomination when he started running, but he is now at least a credible contender. That means he has a responsible to begin to learn about the world. If he is going to stay in the race, he needs to take the presidency seriously, which requires studying up on foreign policy.
We had a president who didn't know anything about foreign policy. His name was George Bush. His lack of knowledge meant he was easily misled by advisers. Yet even George W Bush had a foreign policy team during the election. All candidates do, everyone except Bernie.
Choosing to remain uninformed is not admirable. It is in fact dangerous.
islandmkl
(5,275 posts)Bernie needs to get in the phone book and find all the fucking advisors who got us where we are now...they have between 0-and- 60+ years of 'EXPERIENCE' and are all (the ones still functioning and not already 'engaged') itching to finally win a war and dominate the world...
last1standing
(11,709 posts)When you want to discuss the merits of the actual OP, come on back. Posting strawman arguments is shameful.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)How pathetic. But the desperation is HILLARYous.
cascadiance
(19,537 posts)... and yet she didn't know enough to have a public opinion about the treaty until shortly before the first Democratic debate, long after congress passed Fast Track.
I guess Bernie and Anonymous must not know as much as she did about it if she was SOS earlier...
Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)Thank you, last1standing.
The foreign policy experience argument was nothing but a farce. You did an excellent job of putting their false argument into context.
silenttigersong
(957 posts)Would have the guidance of two of the most respected. Intellectuals of the country_Noam Chomsky and Dear brotherDr. Cornell West-just saying
postulater
(5,075 posts)saltpoint
(50,986 posts)Erich Bloodaxe BSN
(14,733 posts)Good job.
99Forever
(14,524 posts)noretreatnosurrender
(1,890 posts)Thank you for the post. I practically spit out my coffee when Hillary used the name of Kissinger during the debate the other night. She might as well have been praising Dick Cheney, as he and Kissinger are both war criminals in my view.
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)left lowrider
(97 posts)the contest would be won.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)The vast majority of her supporters have completely ignored the thread and the very few who have tried to challenge it have done so with shameful attempts at building strawman arguments.
Based on that, I'd suggest that any NoHope Hillary support who crows about her "experience" after this does not believe their own words. It won't stop them, but it should be noted.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)LynneSin
(95,337 posts)Just saying
last1standing
(11,709 posts)Isn't the purpose of this forum to discuss the qualifications of our candidates during the primaries so that we can choose the best one as our nominee?
If that isn't the case, please correct me. Otherwise, my post stands as I believe it clearly lays out an incredibly big problem with one of our candidates and her judgment in handling work events, despite her attempts to base her campaign on "experience."
So now I'll ask, do you have any comment on NoHope Hillary's foreign policy judgment or was your post merely an attempt to suggest we should not bring up her major policy and character flaws?
Just asking
creatives4innovation
(98 posts)And thanks, will use!
last1standing
(11,709 posts)I hope it helps overcome this silly belief that because NoHope Hillary can can recall the names of more despots that she somehow has the judgment to make the best foreign policy decisions for this country. History has proved this isn't true.
Mike Nelson
(9,984 posts)I doubt Bernie would pick Kissinger, Powell or Rice as his Secretary of State. He might offer Hillary the job.
last1standing
(11,709 posts)NoHope Hillary's terrible judgment is exactly what Bernie's campaigning against.