2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumHillary FIGHTS! And THAT is what we need!
I LOVE that Hillary Clinton FIGHTS! She is one TOUGH woman. She takes ZERO crap. And if and when she is nominated, she will BEAT THE CRAP out of the Republican opponent. AND, in the White House she will play HARDBALL. She has GUTS. And that is what we need. Bernie is a fighter too, but there is something especially TOUGH AS NAILS about Clinton. She takes ZERO shit. I like Obama, but he was too laid back. He did some good things and had some good intentions, but he was VERY naive to think he could just "work" with the right wingers who never had any intention of working with him. He is also not good about being CLEAR and TOUGH on a CONSISTENT message. He was way too passive in dealing with the TeaParty movement. We need STRENGTH! And Hillary Clinton, as she said last night, will take it HARD to the RePUKElicans. She is a SCRAPPER, and it is WONDERFUL!
Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Go Hillary!
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)flag desecration bills, etc., she likes their plans for privatizing Social Security and/or means testing it; she pushed their individual mandate plan when her husband was President and on and on.
Cherry pick, my ass.
PonyUp
(1,680 posts)Art_from_Ark
(27,247 posts)Pfft. Hillary was a corporate lawyer in Arkansas who worked to keep residential ratepayers' bills higher than they could have been. My family would have probably eventually benefited from reduced utility rates in the state.
She also didn't fight for Walmart employees when she was cozying up to Sam Walton. Hell, I was a temporary worker in one of Sam's warehouses in his hometown in those days. What I saw in the break room was pretty eye-opening. The unionization effort was being squashed, and Sam was telling his employees that they damn well better be satisfied with the $784 they were taking home a month.
Shadowflash
(1,536 posts)Against single payer healthcare and higher education for everybody, too.
Woo hoo. The 'No We Can't' campaign.
riversedge
(70,218 posts)to Hillary. She laid to rest the idea of Sanders trying to be gatekeeper of what if means to be a progressive. It was foolish of Sanders to put out those passive-aggressive tweets in the first place
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merrily
(45,251 posts)Sanders is a New Deal Democrat; she is a Democrat who looks up to Kissinger.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)cali
(114,904 posts)merrily
(45,251 posts)How can you call yourself a change agent?
I'm a woman.
Please tell me she was kidding.
As a woman, a Democrat, a citizen and a taxpayer, I really need someone to assure me she was kidding.
Nuclear Unicorn
(19,497 posts)firebrand80
(2,760 posts)She becomes a far better candidate after she's backed into a corner. If you look at 2008, she was much better when she was behind to Obama than when she was ahead.
Bernie making this a competitive race is going to help her in the end. Hopefully she keeps up the disposition she has now rather than reverting to front runner mode when the race against the GOP starts.
BigBearJohn
(11,410 posts)"scrappers" -- they knew how to move people and inspire them and lead them by using their intelligence first, then only if necessary, the sword. True strength is not someone who gets IN YOUR FACE and shouts at you. If you want someone like that, vote for Donald Trump or Ted Cruz. You make no progress by acting tough and running your head into a brick wall. We are not looking for a Rambo or Tugboat Annie. We need someone with wisdom and judgment (and gravitas) -- someone who understands people and knows how to work out solutions -- someone who can face the opposition and lead us through the morass. And by the way -- Obama's accomplishments, ambitious goals, dignity and honesty under tough circumstances demand admiration and appreciation from all of us. Obama will go down in history as an extraordinary president -- one of the best ever. Bernie will finish what Obama started. All the candidates could stand to learn from him.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)farmboy
(252 posts)As a hard worker in the Obama campaign and a great admirer of Senator Sanders, Gov. O'Malley, Gov. Dean, and many (but not all ---got my eye on you DNC Chair Debbie W-S) of our independent and democratic leaders, Hilary continues to make me more excited and certain of her potential in guiding the United States as president.
Hilary has a clear history of fighting hard for people who are hurt most by this society, those without a political voice, who need leaders to remember them as an important part of our country. And she has done this while her detractors, who certainly can point out some missteps along her career filled with mostly strong steps and decisions, often rely on unfair labels, rhetoric, attacks and lies to try and define her in order to make room for their own less than perfect candidates who can't stand on their own records when compared to her.
Hilary's heat and moral values and concern for others and leadership skills and intelligent understandings of all aspects of our country and lifetime of experience will make her one of our best presidents from day 1 to her last day in 2025.
She is the candidate to put America's stamp on the world with care and passion and concern instead of a bootprint in the face of those who disagree and an ignoring of those who can't speak loud enough to get our attention amidst world noise.
frylock
(34,825 posts)That's how you know it's true.
Tierra_y_Libertad
(50,414 posts)No thanks.