No, Iowa was NOT the perfect demographic fit for Sanders, so stop it.

[Bonobo]

A strongly accented Jewish socialist democrat in America's bible belt is not the "perfect demographic fit" that some people want you to think it is in order to diminish his showing.

He was outspent by 13 million dollars in Iowa and fought to a tie.

Hillary is from Illinois, as close to Iowa as Sanders is to New Hampshire (right next door!)

She should have stomped him on her home ground.

Nope, it was NOT a good night for her. At all.

[hobbit709]

1. They've pulled every card in the deck in the last 24 hours.

[djean111]

5. They are doing the Oscar Madison - throwing everything against the kitchen wall to see if

anything sticks. Plus, perhaps, some advisors have some 'splainin' to do.

[riversedge]

20. And she is ready to R-O-A-R in NH>...

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Tweet:
@HillaryforNH -->*berns the house down Leaving Iowa-First woman to win Caucus #Hillary2016 #p2

[Hiraeth]

24. The least they could do is photoshop Hillary into that gif. sheesh.

[hobbit709]

29. How apropos. She will destroy us.

And any hope of a non corporate controlled party.

[tex-wyo-dem]

47. Is that what she plans to do to the middle class? Nt

[TSIAS]

2. Agree and disagree

First, she did not win Iowa in 2008. She finished 3rd, behind Obama and Edwards.

The demographics that Sanders benefited from were the prevalence of liberal voters.

However, for Clinton supporters to be crowing about a 0.2 % victory is ludicrous.

[Bonobo]

3. Yes, I was thinking of New Hampshire.

She won NH in 2008.

[merrily]

7. Many people attributed that to her crying when asked how she managed to keep up her

hair or something else about her appearance while on the campaign trail. IIRC, her tearful reply had nothing to do with the question.

[AtomicKitten]

15. Father Pfleger called her out in it.

[merrily]

31. If asked you how you manage to keep up appearances while campaigning,

you could say, I travel with a hairdresser and a make up artist, or you could say

[AtomicKitten]

32. "I'd like to thank the Academy ..."

[merrily]

33. Now, please rise for our national anthem...

[bunnies]

44. They played that fucking clip over and over and over and over and over again

on every damned station for the ENTIRE day of the primary. If she does that again I think my head will explode.

[merrily]

45. Much like the Dean Scream, but the Dean Scream ran longer than a day.

MSM always seems to be on the side of the DLC types. Why do we suppose that is?

[bunnies]

46. Exactly.

Thankfully in my case it only happened the day before. It was torturous.

[JDPriestly]

19. Sanders' voters were young. They are voting their futures, voting

on the economy and the hopelessness of the economy for young people. It's the economy, stupid. That was the Clinton campaign slogan in the 1990s. It is truer now than it was then.

And it is what is carrying the Sanders campaign to victory. We are on our way.

[jfern]

4. Focusing too much on the non Hispanic white percentage is idiotic

Polls have shown California to be closer than nationwide, despite being 49th in the non Hispanic white percentage.

[Betty Karlson]

21. None so deaf as those who don't want to hear.

Your reaction is spot on, but those who need to understand it are clinging to their cognitive dissonance.

[madokie]

6. Obama won the Iowa delegates in '08

Hill came in a distance third behind Edwards.
Other than that I agree with you

[CBGLuthier]

8. That was their code word dog whistle for "white people."

as in Bernie is only for white people.

I can not understand exactly WTF anyone would think the Clintons give two shits about black people other than as voters.

[tecelote]

9. Profits from the prison industry?

[Not Sure]

13. Oooh!

Berned!

[Divernan]

14. Also, as cannon fodder for her endless war foreign policy

[Betty Karlson]

23. Pretty much - although these days, the donations go to DINO-Debbie. And the DNC then supports Hill.

The establishment corruption can't be too obvious, can it?

[cali]

10. Thank you, Bonobo

[ejbr]

11. But a win is a win...

until you saw her and Tweety, one apoplectic, the other shell-shocked. She may win the nomination, but after spending so much time and effort to eke out that win, how on earth will she rally the necessary troops next fall?

[nxylas]

12. And she won't have the entire establishment with their thumb on the scale for her in November

The people counting the votes will be, at best, impartial observers and at worst, Republican operatives. If it comes down to a coin toss, there's no guarantee that she'd be as "lucky" as she was in Iowa.

[tex-wyo-dem]

48. I wouldn't be so sure...

If Trump or Cruz or any of several other nut cases won the rethug nom, it wouldn't surprise me if they would tip the scales for Hill...at least she is corporate/Wall Street friendly .

[DanTex]

16. Of course it was. Christian conservatives don't vote in Dem primaries.

The Dem primary electorate in Iowa is more white and liberal than almost any other state, the exceptions being Vermont and New Hampshire.

Obviously, and in keeping with the general theme of Bernie's followers, everyone is going to ignore the facts here, but pretty soon states that are more demographically representative of the nation as a whole will start voting, and at that point the excuses won't mean much.

[oberliner]

17. Yes it was

Iowa has very conservative conservatives and very liberal liberals. It is also a very rural state, like Vermont, and also, like Vermont, is comprised of mostly white people.

The "bible belt" types are not Democrats.

Among people who participate in the Democratic caucus, almost 50 percent identify themselves as Socialist.

Iowa is the perfect demographic for Sanders in that the participating Democrats are almost all white (where Sanders is strongest) and they are very liberal, embracing socialism in large numbers.

If Sanders is able to do this well in a state that is more racially diverse, then he will win the nomination.

[Empowerer]

30. Oh, stop with the facts already.

Jeez!

[Bluenorthwest]

37. Iowa's top economic sectors are Manufacturing, Finance and Insurance, Government and Real Estate

Gross Domestic Product (2010)3

Total (in millions): $142,698

By Industry (2009)

Manufacturing: $25,354
Finance and insurance: $19,666

Government: $16,392

Real estate, rental and leasing: $13,778

Health care & social assistance: $9,905
Agriculture, forestry, fishing and hunting: $8,423

Not as Ag heavy as Vermont and also 5 times the population. Largest City in Iowa Des Moines has about 210,000 people while Vermont's largest city Burlington has about 43,000.

How are they alike again?

[oberliner]

39. The single largest employment sector in Vermont is government

Manufacturing, Finance and Insurance, and Real Estate are also major economic sectors.

However, it is the demographics of the populations where the states are the most similar, especially in terms of race and ethnicity.

Iowa and Vermont are both much more ethnically and racially homogenous than other states in that their populations are over 90 percent non-Hispanic white.

Also, neither state has a city with a population in the top 100 in the US and, therefore, do not face the sorts of issues that states with one or more big cities have to address.

I would say that the states that are best suited to Sanders (other than VT) are: Maine, New Hampshire, and Iowa. Those are three states that are 90+ percent white, do not have major cities, and feature a liberal population among Democrats and several colleges.

If Sanders were to win primaries or caucuses in places like Maryland, Georgia, Mississippi, Louisiana, or, most relevantly, South Carolina, then I think he will get the nomination.

[JDPriestly]

18. I know Iowa very well. Ted Cruz's win was predictable.

Bernie Sanders virtual tie was not.

Feel the Bern!

The American people are sending a message to Wall Street. Time to "cut it out" for real.

Financial services are huge in our country.

Financial literacy -- teeny-tiny.

We need a campaign that educates Americans for financial literacy, savvy and self-defense.

We need more jobs and saving and less credit.

We need a government that encourages job development and saving.

That is what Bernie's government will do.

Financial literacy should be encouraged by our federeal government. That's not being done.

Feel the Bern!

One thing I like about Bernie is that he doesn't have to have a big mansion to feel at home. He is not a greedy person.

He is not poor. But he doesn't have this greedy edge about him.

I like that.

[Enthusiast]

28. Thank you.

[HereSince1628]

22. I've not lived in IA for 17 years or so, when I did, it seemed many young people left

IA in order to pursue jobs/careers. Back in the late 90's there was a lot of concern over that. Some small towns were shutting down, farms were consolidating as families lacked young members wanting carry on.

Has that continued? How important is that pressure to young people wanting a change in economics? How important is the migration I saw to the creation of the age gap in political outlook?

[NurseJackie]

25. "Oh, my!"

"I do believe I detect a touch of jealousy..."

[Chico Man]

26. You're right

Vermont is. Throw NH in for good measure.

[Enthusiast]

27. You are absolutely correct, Bonobo. Well done!

[merrily]

34. Come on, Bonobo! She was only about 50 points ahead in Iowa when this started. Some slack, please.

Geesh!

[gollygee]

35. Iowa isn't part of the Bible Belt. N/t

[Bonobo]

36. Yes, it is. nt

[Bluenorthwest]

38. Some people use 'Bible Belt' as synonym for 'the South'. And not without cause....

Percentage very religious:
Mississippi: 58 percent are very religious
Utah: 56 percent
Alabama: 56 percent
Louisiana: 53 percent
Arkansas: 52 percent
South Carolina: 52 percent
Tennessee: 50 percent
North Carolina: 50 percent
Georgia: 48 percent


Iowa: 41%

Vermont: 19%
http://www.livescience.com/27087-most-least-religious-us-states.html

So other than Utah, the South really takes the slice.

[gollygee]

41. I think that's the standard definition

I know Wikipedia isn't an authority, but this is similar to what other online sources say:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bible_Belt

[Tarc]

40. How can 1 person be so wrong on every single point?

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1. The bible belt is a loose term for the region of the United States where Southern Baptists are the predominant faith. Iowa's Baptists are mostly Methodists, which are somewhat less nutty than their Belt brethren. 20% of Iowa's Christians are also Catholic. So no, Iowa is not considered to be of the Bible Belt.

2. If I recall correctly, Hillary never lived in Illinois beyond her high school years, so it is not her "home ground", nor was there an expectation to win Iowa as Bernie is expected to easily carry NH.

3. Clinton won 15 delegates in 2008 to Edwards' 14 and Obama's 16. In 2016, won 23 to Sanders' 21. That is coming out ahead, both in terms of the comparison to 8 years ago and to the actual 2016 caucus.

Your entire premise rests on misinformation, faulty assumptions, and being just plain...wrong.

[JTFrog]

43. Practice. n/t

[brooklynite]

42. Hillary Clinton hasn't been "from Chicago" since 1992.

[Bernblu]

49. Two Months ago the same people were crowing over Hillary's 40% lead in some Iowa polls.

A lot changed in two months.