2016 Postmortem
Related: About this forumBernie Sanders' Master Stroke In Asking for SANCTIONED Debates!
Bernie Sanders is not allowing himself to be maneuvered by Clinton or NBC into a pre-New Hampshire debate. Instead he is using their strategy to prevent them from cornering him to do what they want, when they want.
This is what he said:
As I have said from day one I want to see debates. I love debates. I think its good for the Democratic Party, I think its good for the people of this country, but youve got to do it in a rational way, you just cant do it because some network says this and some network says that, Sanders said. I would hope that in the very short future we can develop a series of debates, and I think ... Illinois, Ohio, California, New York state are some of the states we might want to be looking at.
http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-01-27/ahead-of-white-house-meeting-sanders-says-obama-is-not-taking-sides
I TAKE MY HAT OFF TO HIM FOR HIS ELEGANT SIDESTEPPING OUT OF THEIR TRAP, with his response saying in effect: yeah, lets do more debates, but lets plan them, and not do them as an ambush attempt. Go Bernie! What this means is that Sanders is not allowing the Clinton machine and their surrogates, (read MSNBC) to push him around by setting up times and agendas favorable to Clinton. By agreeing to go to this debate, he would set a precedent, that at any point that the Clinton machine wanted to invoke a debate to help her, she could recruit her allies in the MSM to set one up.
MSNBC is going full bore to push Sanders into the Clinton debate .they are doing nothing more than providing full campaign ads for Hillary. It is 24/7 Hillary Time. Watch the videos and you will see what I mean. If you have any doubt that MSNBC is shilling for Hillary, take a look at this interview by Andrea Mitchell today with Brian Fallon, Hillarys Press Secretary. Be clear: MSNBC did not provide air time for a Sanders representative, or ANYONE with an opposing position to the Hillary staff person and he was barely challenged by Andrea. She just let him continue the memes which were negative about Sanders, which the campaign is hoping that some will stick.
Watch this Andrea Mitchell Report with Hillary spokesman Brian 'BoyBot' Fallon......nothing but a lying RAT!
1. Sanders has not fared well in the spotlight; if you look at the tone he has been taking; quite disturbing, seen a pattern of Senator Sanders saying one thing and doing another; that he would shun the support of a SuperPac, now has one; said he wouldnt attack Clinton, but now he has said that she was like Dick Cheney and third thing this debate next week, Sen Sanders said he would wanted to debate more, now he is not.
2. Today a new york times report said he bragging about running a negative ad; and now Sanders is weighing running a negative running the same kind of ad as Karl Rove did,
3. That Sanders was having a meeting to decide whether to take the core persona that Sen Sanders has cultivated of the first few months of the campaign and crumpling it in into a ball an throwing it into the trash I hope he rejects it Andrea . they, his advisors, are trying to turn Sanders into someone less Simon and Garfunkel and more Karl Rover and it is unfortunate ..
4. Fallon repeated the meme of comparing Sanders to Karl Rove instead of Simon and Garfunkel
Also follow this interview on Andrea Mitchell with none other than Tweety (Chris Matthews):
WATCH VIDEO:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2016/01/27/clinton_spokesman_sanders_advisors_turning_him_into_someone_who_is_less_simon_garfunkel_and_more_karl_rove.html
Just to be crystal clear in the midst of all this maneuvering, DWS issued the following, saying that the DNC WOULD NOT SANCTION THE PRE NEW HAMPSHIRE DEBATE:
The Democratic National Committee says it is unlikely to sanction additional debates before the New Hampshire primary, a decision that could strike a blow to MSNBC and the New Hampshire Union Leader as they seek to host an event next week.
"We have no plans to sanction any further debates before the upcoming First in the Nation caucuses and primary, but will reconvene with our campaigns after those two contests to review our schedule," DNC Chairwoman Debbie Wasserman Schultz said in a statement.
"We have consistently worked with our campaigns to ensure a schedule that is robust and that allows them to engage with voters in a variety of ways, whether through debates, forums, town halls, but also leaving them the flexibility to attend county fairs and living room conversations in states like Iowa and New Hampshire where direct voter contact matters so much."
DNC throws cold water on unsanctioned New Hampshire debate
http://g.thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/dem-primaries/267120-dnc-will-not-sanction-additional-debates
cont'
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/01/27/1476004/-Bernie-s-Master-Stroke-in-asking-for-SANCTIONED-debates
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)this summary of the debate-debate.
I will be curious what happens in the coming days.
Things are certainly heating up!
CharlotteVale
(2,717 posts)this way when he's been calling for more sanctioned debates all along. Comical too. Camp Weathervane must be spinning like a top.
R. Daneel Olivaw
(12,606 posts)Their crepe-n their pants.
libdem4life
(13,877 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)Pushing this guy is clearly a mistake. It looks like he is 2-0 in this type of situation (so far).
Karma13612
(4,556 posts)Bernie will not be a pushover.
This whole primary season is the job interview.
So far, he is acing it.
frylock
(34,825 posts)is it still pending?
highprincipleswork
(3,111 posts)slipslidingaway
(21,210 posts)Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #7)
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Segami
(14,923 posts)rest assured, the days of spending $800 for a single hammer will go the way of the Dodo bird........
SunSeeker
(52,121 posts)Segami
(14,923 posts)Integrity is not a word associated with Hillary......its just that simple.
zentrum
(9,866 posts)frylock
(34,825 posts)hedda_foil
(16,393 posts)Which is what I suspect they'll do.
SunSeeker
(52,121 posts)Well, the other candidates are in, but now he insists he's not in until everyone meets his conditions, including that the DNC have three additional, late season (as late as May) debates set. That is not "elegant side stepping." That is Sanders going back on his word to Rachel.
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)he wanted more SANCTIONED debates. this is just more maneuvering by a campaign in freefall and he is calling them on their bullshit. its about time someone did.
SunSeeker
(52,121 posts)restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)it has been his position all along. so if you think he will go back on his word, you must have him confused with another candidate
SunSeeker
(52,121 posts)https://uk.news.yahoo.com/us-election-2016-clinton-omalley-034850592.html
restorefreedom
(12,655 posts)who initially only wanted four debates, although she likely preferred none at all.
if you have an issue with the debate schedule, an email to dws would be in order. after all,she rigged all of this for hillary to begin with.
2pooped2pop
(5,420 posts)Voice for Peace
(13,141 posts)"Oooooh i'd like t'ringyerprettylittlechickenneck"
Ha ha just kidding thatsajoke somebodyelsesaidit
Prism
(5,815 posts)It's wonderful. You can tell he's just as sick of their shit as we are. Let them wail insincerely. It just underscores how fake the entire exercise is.
Matariki
(18,775 posts)in over 30 years. Why is Wasserman Schultz being such a stubborn asshat?
Uncle Joe
(58,839 posts)Thanks for the thread, Segami.