WTF is this crap Hillary? Shopping around a doc saying Bernie is pro-Communist?

[pinebox]

Really? REALLY?
You wanted a war on your hands, you got it. You just opened up a whole treasure chest of crap from your past that is now fair game. You have more baggage than Samsonite.

Sanders smeared as communist sympathiser as Clinton allies sling mud
http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/22/bernie-sanders-communist-sympathiser-hillary-clinton-us-election-2016
A war of words between Hillary Clinton and Sanders has erupted in recent days as polls show him in the lead among voters in New Hampshire and Iowa

The dossier, prepared by opponents of Sanders and passed on to The Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”, alleges that Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” because he went on a trip there to visit a twinned city while he was mayor of Burlington.

Similar “associations with communism” in Cuba are catalogued alongside a list of quotes about countries ranging from China to Nicaragua in a way that supporters regard as bordering on the McCarthyite rather than fairly reflecting his views.

Sanders has insisted on many occasions this year that his own philosophy of democratic socialism is very different to that of authoritarian regimes, and much more in keeping with the tradition of American reformers such as Franklin D Roosevelt.

The Vermont senator has also ridiculed suggestions – repeated by the attack dossier – that his policies would see nationalisation of US industries.

“I don’t believe government should take over the grocery store down the street or own the means of production,” he said during a speech at Georgetown University. “But I do believe that the middle class and the working families who produce the wealth of America deserve a decent standard of living and that their incomes should go up, not down. I do believe in private companies that thrive and invest and grow in America, companies that create jobs here, rather than companies that are shutting down in America and increasing their profits by exploiting low-wage labor abroad.”

[HerbChestnut]

1. I don't doubt this is true, but...

Is there a copy of the dossier anywhere that we can see?

[azmom]

2. Time to talk about the Clinton Foundation.

[roguevalley]

123. the pay for play scam they have going? Okay. :D:D:D

[Hoyt]

3. Not much different than branding Clinton a Third Way, Neo-Liberal, Oligarch, or some such.

I don't think Sanders is a communist, and really don't care if he is. Of course, the extra 5 or 10% he needs to attract to win the GE (above his base and those like me that will support the nominee) may well care. I'd like to avoid another McGovern/Dukakis landslide at this time.

[pinebox]

8. because she is

Straight up.

Hillary is just that. A neo-lib Third Way Dem.
Go read http://www.dailykos.com/story/2015/7/19/1403488/-Anti-Capitalist-Meetup-How-Neoliberal-is-Hillary-Clinton

As far as your "I want to avoid a landslide", then don't nominate Hillary! Bernie does better in general election.

[riversedge]

28. so, you believe everything you read on Kos. got it.

[pinebox]

44. So you can't debunk anything?

We'll wait but most of us wouldn't want to be dust and bones.
Do it. Go ahead.

[retrowire]

70. An hour has passed and nothing.

Man, I love it when Hillary supporters get smoked like that.

Let's wait a little longer, I'm sure they're working on that debunking.

[restorefreedom]

77. yup. they're on it.

[draa]

90. What I hate about the lies her group is telling

is us Berners supported her during the Benghazi crap without question. I've defended her from attacks when I had no obligation to do so. Just because. Her supporters have ignored all of that.

It's head up ass thinking on their part. I will no longer defend her within my family and friends and if anything I might encourage more from them. I'm seriously tired of the lies from that group and there's no way I'm coming to her rescue again.

[Sheepshank]

103. Some...a very small/few supported her...there are others that still post against Hillary on Benghazi

so don't be pulling the martyr crappola.

[blackspade]

114. Bullshit. Benghazi was bullshit and we all know it.

So you can drop that stupid meme.

[Sheepshank]

122. Then perhaps you can tell your "brothers in arms" to drop that crappola next time it comeS N/T up

[blackspade]

149. "brothers in arms"....Interesting that you would use that term.

A "berniebros reference? not very subtle there friend.

But name the "brothers in arms" and I will.

[Sheepshank]

151. I will let you know next time I see a Benghazi post used to slam Hillary

although I miss many since I recently decided not visit DU as much as I used to. The cesspool it has become is kinda slimy lately. I may be back to do some gloating after Super Tuesday.

[Fawke Em]

157. Some of you need to stop conflating an unsecured server with Benghazi.

I thought Benghazi was stupid, but I do care about an FBI investigation into a private and unsecure server that may have held national security secrets.

TWO DIFFERENT THINGS. LEARN THAT!

[Sheepshank]

160. what makes you think you are in any position to tell anyone to learn anything?

you made up some shit, ran with it and pretended it was thing. I conflated nothing, since I didn't bring it up or mention those two scenarios at any time in the history of Sheepshank on DU. Learn that.

[JDPriestly]

120. Hillary and her supporters are burning a lot of bridges.

She is making a big mistake if she thinks she will be elected in 2016 with the kind of campaign she is running now.

She is losing friends by the minute. What a fool she is.

Her negativity is astounding.

Contrast her can't do mentality with that of Abraham Lincoln.

He helped build the railroads. He freed the slaves and fought the Civil War. He established landgrant colleges. And he did those things and more although he lost a son while in the White House.

Then think of FDR, and JFK who determined that we would go to the moon.

Hillary is a negative person. She will make a terrible president. She is controlling and wants to prevent others from dreaming. We all know how it is with dreams. We don't need to be reminded that it is difficult to achieve them and that we probably can't achieve all our dreams very quickly.

But look at the history of our country. Look at the history of us as Americans, individually and a group.

We are dream-catchers. We are a people who make our dreams into reality.

But this negative attitude that Hillary EMBODIES, that Reagan embodied, that the Bushes embodied, that is what defeats us.

I will vote for all other Democrats on my ballot, but I will never, never vote for Hillary and her negative, cut-you-down-to-size, hopelessness.

Never. My life personally has been one of fulfilling my dreams. I believe that dreams can be fulfilled.

Hillary should not be running because she is so pessimistic, so negative, it's just not what America and Americans are about.

Even Trump is not as negative about America as Hillary is. Sorry to have to say that. Trump is mean and bigoted. But he is not as can't do as Hillary.

We need a can do president. That's Bernie. And in his time as mayor in Vermont, he proved he can do difficult things.

Feel the Bern!

[AlbertCat]

143. This:

"But this negative attitude that Hillary EMBODIES, that Reagan embodied, that the Bushes embodied, that is what defeats us."

And it all coincides with making/not sharing more money and power. It usually has little to do with what is needed or a good idea.

[CorporatistNation]

166. HillBill Is A Sinkin Fast... And It Is ENTIRELY HER DOING!

[cui bono]

170. I agree! n/t

[AlbertCat]

140. a very small/few supported her.

How do you know how many?

Where are your numbers and how did you arrive at them?

I have only seen Benghazi mentioned once since that ridiculous hearing (that, in the 1st place, was a cinch to make look foolish)....and mentioned as satire.

In another thread, someone who goes by "Gman" stated that Sanders' supporters never lifted a finger during congressional campaigns. Of course there haven't been any congressional campaigns since Sanders started running, so there weren't any "Bernie supporters" during any congressional campaigns....

The fundamentalist, cultish, knee jerk, fantasy accusations from Hillary supporters are ridiculouser and ridiculouser. Right thru the looking glass....

[Sheepshank]

152. your post appear to be the very epitome of everything you complained about haa haa haaa n/t

[merrily]

154. Link?

[cui bono]

169. Where? Links to DUers using Benghazi against Hillary?

I haven't seen that. I saw a lot of Bernie supporters standing up for her during that time. But we get "Not Good Enough, Bernie", "lily white", supporters are "white supremacists" and other slimy swiftboat pieces all the time.

Are you still not admitting that Bernie is running as a Democrat? You kept denying it even after I showed you the evidence straight from the Vermont State's website. I'll bet you've even used the s-word against him.

.

[riversedge]

159. I just will not waste my time on sillyness. bye

[pinebox]

161. lol [x] Wrecked. [ ] Not wrecked.

[RoccoR5955]

66. I believe what I see with my own two eyes! n/t

[Bluenorthwest]

68. Those who use insult where retort would excell use insult because they are bereft of better argument

It's so nasty that you just insult that poster like that. You offer no content other than you personal smear, which is of course dedicated to Hillary in a thread about her smearing people. See why your method is a losing method?

[Fawke Em]

156. No, because we can watch her in action.

We don't need a link. We can see it.

[MissDeeds]

136. Absolutely

Her record bears it out.

[daleanime]

11. Which means that you want to stay away from Hillary....

because that's where she's going.

[hobbit709]

15. Those are true statements

[CoffeeCat]

17. Sanders will easily get that...

When Obama won Iowa, he was still behind in all national polls and in all state polls--every single one except NH.

We have a state-by-state primary process, as you know. It takes a few states voting, for the campaign to spread and for those national polls to fall Bernie's way.

If Bernie wins Iowa and NH, this will be an entirely different race. Bernie will be the frontrunner with a very powerful message. Hillary Clinton will be a candidate without her foundation of "inevitability."

I am not worried about Sanders. He's done better in Iowa than Obama. The latest polls show Sanders ahead of Clinton by 5 and 8. Hillary has lost 17 points in Iowa in the past seven weeks.

Hillary held steady in the fall before the 08 Iowa caucuses. She slipped a bit, and Obama was ahead by a few points going into the Iowa caucuses. But she was holding steady.

Not the case in 2016. Her campaign is crumbling like a day-old donut and Bernie is rising. If this continues, it could be a complete blow out for her in the Iowa caucuses. She lost the Iowa caucuses in 08, by 8 points. This year, she's dealing with far, far more troubling polls and dynamics. Bernie has the momentum going into the last 10 days. It's really extraordinary.

[Hoyt]

38. I'm concerned about the general election.

[tecelote]

55. Me too.

Hillary will get steamrolled.

Bernie is the only one who can win the GE.

[navarth]

60. I am too, seriously.

But just how far does someone go before it's over the top? Painting Bernie with a communism brush is disgusting.

Honest disagreements are fair game. This kind of thing turns me off.

My 2 cents.

[Hoyt]

82. As I said, I don't think Sanders is a commie, nor does in matter. I don't think Clinton called him

that. OK, maybe -- and that is not clear -- some operative did, but not Clinton. But, Sanders operatives and supporters have done similar including bashing good Democrats like Obama and Clinton.

[navarth]

111. I just don't see much good in exaggeration.

Did I spell that right?

[ChairmanAgnostic]

131. Egg-jazz-err-a-shun.

[tazkcmo]

182. Don't be.

Hillary won't be in it.

[Kall]

184. Yeah

I think about all the fun Trump would have raking her over the coals about her made-up war stories like being under sniper fire in Benghazi, and the rest of her mountain of baggage.

[Punkingal]

21. This Communist bullshit is beyond the pale...

Did you ever hear of McCarthyism?

[AgingAmerican]

27. Difference being Hillary is all those things

Truth vs lies

[Roland99]

63. uh....she *is* DLC/Third Way

[Hoyt]

79. Well, I guess all those Democratic third wayers in New York were wrong electing her. Obama was wrong

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tapping her for Secretary of State, and all the supporters she has now are wrong. Not to mention her actually taking the primary votes in 2008.

But I guess, you folks are the only one that get it.

[Roland99]

98. Many things Obama has done wrong or forgotten about or done a 180 on from his original campaign.

But good job trying to divert from the facts and heading down strawman ln a bit.

[Hoyt]

113. He's been a good Prez and he was supported by good Democrats. Unfortunately, some Democrats feel

like Obama "just wasn't good enough."

Clinton will be a good Prez too because I don't believe all the Democrats that have supported her over they years are as out of touch as some here seem to believe.

[cui bono]

172. He wasn't good enough. We can do much, much better.

But not with Hillary. She will be worse. She will have us at war with Iran - which would derail one of the best accomplishments of the Obama admin, opening up relations with them, she will continue the erosion of our privacy and civil rights.

No, we need someone like Bernie who will reach for the stars and only the stars that will help the people. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. Last thing I want is a pessimist like Hillary who is now going so negative that she will just lie about anything just to get to be president.

But if for no other reason, vote for Bernie because Hillary will not win the general. She is using scorched earth tactics that people are sick of. She is attacking and being negative and condescending. She is a corporate hawk and has former Goldman Sachs execs on her staff.

Bernie: Because Fuck This Shit.

.

[Enthusiast]

190. Did you see the price of oil? We must have war with Iran. Oil would be over $100/barrel next day.

That is driving much of this war fervor and support for Hillary.

We have a real mess on our hands and Bernie is the only way out.

[Kalidurga]

189. Obama was wrong tapping her for Secretary of State

It's so nice of you to admit that. I don't always disagree with Obama's picks but when I do they are Hillary Clinton and Rahm Emmanuel.

[cascadiance]

138. And it is the DLC and its remnants that are MORE tied to Stalin than Bernie ever was...

... when they took Koch Brothers money and people in to help build the DLC cancer in the Democratic Party.

It was the Kochs that got their money from Fred Koch's business ties with COMMUNIST JOSEPH STALIN!!!

So Hillary folk! You want to explain why YOU are more tied to commies (rather than DEMOCRATIC socialists who AREN'T the same, and are the kind of socialists like Trotsky that 1%er favoring commies like Stalin would look to kill off).

If you are going to play this game, be prepared to have the more legitimate commie card played back at you!!

[Old Codger]

88. The difference is

That she is in fact all of those things, whereas he is not a communist.... truth matters

[gregcrawford]

125. Well, since her husband, whatsisname...

... popularized the term, and embraced the Third Way philosophy, such as it is for his entire presidency, it's not unreasonable to call Hillary a Third Way Democrat. She takes money from Neo-liberal oligarchs, so those both fit, too. Calling Sanders a commie, however, is WAY different, and scurrilous lie.

[merrily]

153. Geebus. Are you kidding? It's very different. Those things are true.

She was a founding member of the DLC. That's third way and neo-liberal, by definiton. She and her husband are a power couple in politics with hundreds of millions of dollars. He was President. She was a Senator and a Secretary of State and is running for President. That's an oligarch, by definition.

https://www.google.com/search?q=Democratic+Leadership+Council&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/oligarchy

[cui bono]

173. Truth is hard.

mmkay?

.

[merrily]

186. Truth is hard; false equivalencies are easy.

[sibelian]

193. Either it's true or it isn't and if it isn't... why are they saying so?

You can turn the story into anything you like, you can make it as complicated as you like. Of course you can.

But if they're lying, it's lying.

[cali]

4. Slimy and they've been shopping around crap

But only if the recipients agree to source it as anonymous

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/22/1473566/-Clinton-SuperPAC-pushing-Sanders-hit-pieces

[passiveporcupine]

84. This says it all

Wessel said that his organization prefers to be named only when speaking about Republican candidates. He offered to have his organization named in certain cases if the Free Press requested permission. The Free Press declined to agree to Wessel's terms.

Most dems are OK with smearing republicans during a campaign, but very few are good with smearing a dem, even if it's not your pick. So you better not attach your name to it. Smart!

Bernie is not afraid to attach his name to anything he has to say about Clinton, because he doesn't use smear tactics. He only tells the truth.

[Wilms]

5. Who needs guess-work?

She wants to be absolutely sure that she loses.

[Duckfan]

59. It's worse than stupid pet tricks

Maybe it's her attempt at stupid humor tricks?



But a hysterical accusation nonetheless

[cui bono]

174. Stupid humor or stupid human?

.

[TheBlackAdder]

6. While Snopes denies it, there's always that issue of the 45 dead people known to them. nt

[Hell Hath No Fury]

7. Considering the pretty consistant --

talk I've heard from surrogates this past week or so, I would say the Guardian has that one right.

[zappaman]

9. ok. n/t

[DefenseLawyer]

10. He also allowed fluoridation of the water while mayor of Burlington

Mandrake, have you ever seen a commie drink a glass of water?

[JonLeibowitz]

37. .

[pangaia]

96. They are tryng to poison my precious bodily fluids.

Paraphrasing, of course..

[CharlotteVale]

13. Are you now or have you ever been, courtesty of the Hillary campaign.

[hobbit709]

14. Those turbine blades must be hitting 100,000 rpm again.

[MisterP]

16. next up, a scary image of the South under RED OCCUPATION

WOLVERINES

[Marty McGraw]

48. Remember

John McCain tried to convince us 'We are all Georgians my comrades'

[MisterP]

50. Brock: "oh no, McCain's a commie now!"

[Mnpaul]

162. That would be fitting

as the Cowboys aren't commies either. They are from Finland.

[MisterP]

163. hence-a their outrageous accents!

their national sentiment is stoicism

[Fumesucker]

180. LMFAO.. Love it

One good Red Army Choir video deserves another.

[fredamae]

18. Is This The "Joseph McCarthy" Era Again? WTF?

Desperation? Stupidity Or just evil? Or Simply an Insult to the base that we might be so fkg stupid to fall for this shit?

[riversedge]

25. what do you think Karl rove and his kind will do to Sanders, should by

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some miracle he is the Dem nominee?? Buck up.

[AgingAmerican]

30. So Hillary is like a Rove shit slinging test bed?

Nobody cares about that 50s crap anymore.

[riversedge]

33. No i did not say that. You did and shame on you for saying it.

[AgingAmerican]

42. That is essentially what you are saying

"Get used to it cuz this will be Rove's line of attack too"

So Hillary is beta testing Rove talking points?

Depraved line of attack coming from a so called Democrat, IMHO.

Nobody cares about 50s red baiting anymore and it only makes Hillary look foolish and desperate.

[riversedge]

52. Stop making stuff up -what you imagine I said. Enough bye

[Bradical79]

117. You implied it

intentional or not.

[cui bono]

177. Oh, come on... take your own advice and buck up.

[cannabis_flower]

69. Might have well said it because

From what you said it could be implied.

[morningfog]

53. Hillary is worse. She does it to her own party members.

[beltanefauve]

86. Which is really short-sighted

If Bernie wins the nomination, we'll be dealing with a candidate that's been damaged by our own people. (And I don't for a minute buy the argument that Hillary "toughened up" Obama for the general election in 2008) And if Hillary pulls this off, she's going to need ALL OF US to work for her. She's turning off potential supporters with this tactic.

[fredamae]

32. What do you think Karl Rove and his kind will

do to Hillary If she is the nominee?
They've been Planning to run against HRC for Years...Bernie just upset their years long planning, data gathering, opposition arguments and fairytales.
Buck up.

[TM99]

46. So we should be thanking Clinton

then for smearing him?

I guess it is toughening him up for the GE.

Thanks Hillary. Damned, who knew her bullshit would turn out to be beneficial in the end!

[riversedge]

54. only in my mind could that crap what you just said be conjured up.

[TM99]

81. Ok then, we should criticize

her for attacking a fellow Democrat with a smear right out of Rove's playbook.

So which is it going to be? Lemonade out of lemons or just a heaping handful of bullshit.

[beltanefauve]

91. Hill supporters

And many pundits in 2008 argued that HRC's attacks were a good thing, that she "toughened Obama up" for the general election. It was bullshit then, and its bullshit now. Her race-baiting and other tactics turned off many people permanently, myself included.

[TM99]

95. Yeah, me too.

Not that I ever really trusted, admired, or liked the Clinton's, but 2008 and the racist bullshit was the last straw for me.

Like her Iraq War vote, there are some things you just don't 'get over'.

[morningfog]

51. Rove's got nothing on HIllary. She's ten times worse.

Obama walked after getting through HIllary's shit in '08.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

57. Why give the Republicans ammo?

[Sheepshank]

118. 'cos no Bernie supporter has done that to Hillary....what a crock of shit. n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

121. It's okay to be evil because you see the other side as evil?

[Sheepshank]

124. This close to elections, is don't serve anyone to act as a door mat. n/t

[Spitfire of ATJ]

127. I don't do this often but: WTF?

[cui bono]

179. So you agree with her red baiting? You like McCarthyism?

Do you know about HUAC and what went on in the 50's? You should learn about it. It should never happen again and yet here you are justifying it.

Truly sickening.

.

[cui bono]

181. First of all, this is what Hillary herself is doing, not a supporter.

Second, no, no Bernie supporter as done something akin to red baiting Hillary from what I've seen. But again, that is a strawman argument because we're not talking about what a Hillary supporter has done, we're talking about how her own campaign, meaning Hillary herself, is red baiting.

Perhaps you don't know what that means to this country, you should learn about it. Pretty disgusting what went on. Look for videos on HUAC on youtube.

.

[pangaia]

99. Let fucking Rove do what he will.

This is fucking Hillary R Clinton's fucking people doing it.

SICK!

You have no defense whatsoever.. None !

Don't lean too far right. You might just fall in.

[GeorgeGist]

107. Sounds like Hilary's kind are already at it.

Thanks for the Rove angle.

[AlbertCat]

144. what do you think Karl rove and his kind will do to Sanders,

They're gonna do the same thing Hillary did????

Alrighty then!


I'm not worried.

It will backfire and look just as disgusting and stupid as when Hillary did it.

[cui bono]

175. So you're rationalizing Hillary using disgusting right wing tactics that Rove would use?

Wow.

So let's be clear, this is a candidate you support and you are defending this behavior. So I would love to know why is it that you are supporting her?

.

[The Green Manalishi]

94. Well, *one* of the two candidates supported Barry Goldwater. EOM

[ChairmanAgnostic]

137. Except Barry was too smart for today's GOP

They would toss him for being too rational.

[beaglelover]

19. Poor Bernie supporters! Can't stand even the slightest criticism of Bernie.

Better head to your safe space now.

[Autumn]

29. Did you notice that this OP and the replies are posted in GDP, hardly a safe place.

Bernie supporters can and do post a lot in GDP and you will notice most threads are started by Bernie supporters. We don't have to just post in the Bernie Sanders group or in hidden rooms off of DU.

[arcane1]

36. Calling him a communist sympathizer is hardly "slight criticism" and you know it.

I liked your other persona better. It was slightly more honest.

[AgingAmerican]

39. So you are fine with 50s style right wing McCarthyism from your candidate?

It only makes her look foolish and desperate, but don't let that get in the way of your snark.

[beaglelover]

40. I won't.

[riversedge]

58. Stop making stuff up and looking foolish. It is not from Hillary and you know it. bye

[Voice for Peace]

85. It's brock, no doubt

Hillary pac, coordinating on message

[AgingAmerican]

167. its her surrogates

They work for her

[99Forever]

47. One year from today...

... President Sanders' safe place will be The Oval Office.

Watching the wheels come off The Hillary Express is so damn fun.

[Fuddnik]

75. Watching the guys with the big butterfly nets will be even better.

[99Forever]

106. Run fast...

...you might outrun them.

[Marty McGraw]

49. ah.. because

you saying it may help dissuade the notion that your camp already made it's comfy safe space so long ago already at camp echo chamber.

Keep saying it though, you may just snag a dormant repug head in here and convince him/her to your tripe.

[Fuddnik]

71. There's only one safe place here, and we're not allowed in it.

[Dawson Leery]

126. Bernie says it, it gets pointed out and his supporters go insane.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

133. How do you stand looking in a mirror?

Most humans have some, even minimal honesty standards.

[merrily]

147. Jury results:

Personal attacks on board members violates the rules.

Juror #1 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Offensive personal attack
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Food fight. Everyone is being rude.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: That's most definitely a personal attack regarding a post that is NOT a personal attack in any sense of the word. It's inappropriate.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: it's just kind of a dumb question.
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Hide the post, love the poster. Or somethin' like that. Sigh...

[cascadiance]

139. Keep lovin' your Koch brothers' commie money funded DLC roots why don't ya!

Study your history on who's tied to commies more than Bernie! DLC pols certainly are!!!

[MissDeeds]

142. No, we're just tired of the lies your candidate

and her operatives spew. She can't win on her merits, so she has to try to smear her opponent, just like she did in 2008. It came back to bite her then, and it's coming back to bite her now.

[cui bono]

176. Red baiting and McCarthyism are hardly slight criticisms.

Do you know about HUAC? You should go read up about it. There's a few documentaries you can find on youtube. You clearly have no idea what this means in terms of history.

.

[mikehiggins]

183. You think this is a "slightest" criticism.

How about Bill CLinton being alleged to be friends with a child molester and flying places with him on his private airplane?

Would you consider THAT a slight criticism or a vicious, underhanded attack?

This commie talk crosses the line.

[sibelian]

194. It's not a criticism. It's just bollocks.

"Commie pinko, rah rah rah" - we've heard all this before. This is what Republicans do, not Democrats.

[beam me up scottie]

20. We knew it was coming, folks!

Buck up, this just proves what a threat Bernie is to the establishment.

Rovian/Brockian attacks from Hillary's minions is just election year business as usual.

[Mufaddal]

22. It will backfire spectacularly

Apart from showing how out of touch the campaign is, it looks just like the anti-Corbyn hysteria. In general people are good at smelling desperation, and this reeks of it.

Now, an important point: this can actually help Bernie. If he makes it to the general election, this will be the first line of attack against him because, let's be honest, there isn't much else and this is low-hanging fruit. Consider this important practice.

[AlbertCat]

146. It will backfire spectacularly

I know!

After this fails, they may have to bring out the religion thing next!

[Autumn]

23. Yeah I've seen Bernie's Soviet flag pulled out several times this week

Too bad she and her operatives stooped this low.

[glinda]

24. HRC has gone off the rails.

[Broward]

26. Hillary slinging mud. May be her only chance at this point.

She loses big on the issues so she has to resort to lies and distortions.

[last1standing]

31. Has she hit bottom, yet?

I don't think this country can handle too much more of the slime and disease that oozes from the pores of her and her cronies. They are no better in any way than the worst repubs on the other side. They will distort, lie, and do whatever else it takes to get power.

[cali]

34. Hell no.

[jeff47]

112. She did, but then she found a shovel. (nt)

[Fawke Em]

158. Like the ones she gave Iowans in 2008?

As if an Iowan would need a snow shovel.

[Still In Wisconsin]

35. RED BAITING Shrillary? That's what you got now?

Vote for me because at least I'm not a commie?

Setting aside the utterly ridiculous nature of this latest ploy by Camp Weathervane, exactly who do they think is going to change their mind and vote for the Pantsuit based upon this? They really are throwing the kitchen sink aren't they? Nothing so pathetic as desperation.

[Hell Hath No Fury]

41. Just a head's up: If you want to stay here for awhile --

I might tone down your "Shrillary" type rhetoric. One of your other posts was already alerted on as an attack on a DUer (I know, I served on the jury). Make your point, no need to be ugly -- I say this as a Bernie supporter.

[Still In Wisconsin]

45. I fully expect to be banned, and probably today.

I have, in truth, become a fairly ugly person these past few years. But thanks, and I don't mean that sarcastically

[zazen]

76. yeah, I detest her politics & behavior but let's leave "shrill" and "pantsuit" out of it

I'm a fellow Bernie supporter too, and I understand your anger at her campaign's behavior, but I wouldn't want to see a supporter banned.

[beltanefauve]

93. There's plenty of valid criticism

of her tactics to go around without name-calling.

[NCTraveler]

43. Zero connection to Clinton.

I would say there is a better chance this is Rove supporting Sanders.

"passed on to The Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat."

[Ferd Berfel]

56. Every day I like her even less

This is going to get worse after she looses Iowa. Watch.

[Vinca]

61. Her internal polling must be something to see. Bernie must be winning by more than we think he is.

This is the first time I remember red baiting in an election since the Cold War.

[Truprogressive85]

62. Since the gloves are off

America does not need a Margret Thatcher

She can keep her neo-liberalism away

[Peregrine Took]

64. They must be petrified they will lose Iowa. .

All those dreams of dynasty...."down the drain" of history.

[SoapBox]

65. Fuck her Campaign of Lies!

[RoccoR5955]

67. They must be VERY worried that they will lose.

Otherwise, why would they be bringing out such blatant lies, trying to pawn them off on low-information voters?

[bowens43]

72. this typical hilary smear machine. imagine if we allow her the power desires

she is despicable.

[JoeyT]

73. People with shady buddies ought to be very careful about starting guilt by association.

[urbuddha]

74. Hillary will NEVER EVER get my vote !!!

GO BERNIE GO !!!

Hillary will NEVER EVER get my vote !!!

[840high]

104. Lots of people feel the way

you do.

[EndElectoral]

109. I was withholding that decision about holding my nose, but this crap doesn't make it easier

[JoePhilly]

119. Your post needed this ...

[sarge43]

78. They really want to go there?

In 1969 Bill Clinton visited the USSR on a student visa. So by this cork screw logic, the husband of their candidate is a commie.

The problem with throwing it in the fan, it can fly back at you.

[restorefreedom]

97. definitely fan hitting time

https://m.

[INdemo]

80. And the sad thing about this is

Hillary campaign operatives and supporters here will go along with this Right Wing style McCarthyism politics.

This is sad for the Democratic Party and sad for the USA.

[arcane1]

92. Whatever It Takes(tm)

[restorefreedom]

83. its ON,clintons

nothing off the table now

remember newton? you should be thinking about him right now.....

[B Calm]

87. and she don't understand why Bernie's numbers are rising. . .

[closeupready]

89. Did she object when Walmart was sourcing some of its goods from China

in the 80's and 90's, on grounds that strengthening a communist state was antithetical to the American Way? She was on the Board of Directors for six years. I don't think she's ever criticized them for that.

So people in glass houses.

Wal-Mart isn’t the first multinational to source so heavily from Asia. Beginning in the 1970s, the relocation of labor-intensive manufacturing to Asia nurtured the growth of the Four Little Dragons (South Korea, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and Singapore), whose companies entered into contracts to manufacture for Western brand names. When China opened up to foreign investment in the early 1980s, offering vast stretches of greenfield sites, attractive tax breaks, and an abundance of labor at just one-tenth the cost of the Dragons’ wages, another wave of regional manufacturing relocation was set in motion.

So massive was this shift that the majority of the so-called Chinese manufacturing suppliers today are actually companies from the Four Little Dragons that have set up assembly plants in China. Only in the past decade have local Chinese companies, having learned the ropes of manufacturing for export, been drawn increasingly into this supply chain—first as subcontractors for the Little Dragon–owned factories and more recently as direct producers for Wal-Mart.

Once sourcing from China became a bandwagon, Wal-Mart led the way in driving down wages in the suppliers’ factories. To cut procurement costs, Wal-Mart moved its global outsourcing headquarters from Hong Kong to the southern Chinese city of Shenzhen in 2002 and began focusing intensely on directly sourcing from factories in China rather than buying through wholesalers and agents. As Wal-Mart has squeezed its China-based suppliers for lower prices, their workers, largely poor migrants from the countryside, have borne the brunt of the pressure to cut costs. As one Hong Kong buying agent put it, “Suppliers still have places where they can cut fat, but the easiest fat to cut is workers’ wages.”

http://prospect.org/article/wal-mart%E2%80%99s-china-connections

[Sheepshank]

100. I suppose it's only fair to sling mud back..... I would not vote for a doormat

of course, many here would prefer Hillary to be a doormat, I know Bernie would.

But back to the OP....are we to assign to any candidate everything their supporters say or do? Or are all you Bernie supporters attempting to state that this is a statement directly made by Hillary?

[AlbertCat]

148. prefer Hillary to be a doormat

she's lying like one.

[Sheepshank]

150. of course the mysoginistic crowd would love all women to be doormats n/t

[zentrum]

101. Ugly. A preview

….and a déjà vu, both, of the kind of President she would be.

[abelenkpe]

102. Bernie is a socialist? Pro-communist?

I don't care. Sling away.

[spedtr90]

105. Who else visited the USSR in 1988? Reagan; 125,000 American citizens; 20 major corporations

Last edited Fri Jan 22, 2016, 05:57 PM - Edit history (2)

Mayor Sanders went to the USSR during the Cold War (1988) to establish a sister city.

True to its progressive perspective, the Sanders administration helped local residents who sought to ease tensions between the United States and Soviet Union by initiating citizen-to-citizen exchanges with a Russian city.

http://www.sevendaysvt.com/vermont/has-burlington-abandoned-its-sister-cities-around-the-world-not-exactly/Content?oid=2137534

President Reagan went to the USSR during the Cold War (1988) to meet with Gorbachev. He praised Russian cultural achievements, particularly the nation’s great literary tradition. The purpose of course was to improve US-USSR relations.

Intourist, the state-run Soviet travel agency, said about 125,000 Americans would visit the Soviet Union this year, slightly more than the total during the peak years of detente in the mid-1970s. American travel agents attribute this rise to warmer relations between the superpowers and to President Reagan's visit there in June."People always seemed to think that it was unpatriotic to go to the U.S.S.R.,'' Cavalli said. ''But by going there himself, Reagan made it the patriotic thing to do.''

American corporations are catching Soviet fever as well.

General Tours Inc., which has been sending American tourists to the Soviet Union for 33 years, organized trips for about 20 major American corporations this summer, compared with only 4 last year, said the company's president, Alexander Harris.

http://articles.orlandosentinel.com/1988-10-26/lifestyle/0080020157_1_soviet-union-russian-visit-the-soviet

Bernie's trip means nothing.

[ChairmanAgnostic]

135. I went and studied there in 76. I ended up teaching there after the USSR fell.

My visit earlier was YUGE.

Hardly a reason to lie and spew shit about our next president.

[EndElectoral]

108. Shades of McCarthyism...

[blackspade]

110. I would say that is unbelievable from a Democrat.....

But I would be lying.
I've seen it here for days now. Pathetic.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

115. Next they'll claim he's Nader.

[november3rd]

116. I got news for ya:

"Communism" is originally a Christian cultural phenomenon. It's even referred to in the Book of Acts 4:32-37.

Communism was common among religious orders through the Middle Ages, and was one of the trademarks of the early Protestant Reformation, which is what scared the nobles into supporting the Pope.

In America, the numberless communist communities are cataloged by Alfred Noyes in his definitive work, History of American Socialisms. Most of these groups were Christian communities, but some were atheist.

It wasn't until Marx substituted "the State" for "God" that Marxism became a particular, unique strain of communism.

[WillyT]

128. K & R !!!

[AlbertCat]

129. Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War”

Well, thank Zardoz the Cold War has been over for decades.....


This is almost funny! it's so dumb.


Hillary's not running for the nomination, she's flailing around like a fish on the deck for the nomination.

[MissDeeds]

130. Keep it up, Hillary

Just keep it up. Whereas you may well have had Bernie supporters support you in the GE if, god forbid, you "win" the nomination, you are alienating voters by the thousands with your blatant lies and distortions. Many who may have held their noses to vote for you will not do so now.

Does she never learn? This kind of crap will NOT win her a damn thing but disdain and commendation. She is so conniving and deceitful, not the qualities I want in a president.

[JTFrog]

132. "passed on to the Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”"

But as long as it's anti-Hillary it will be considered gospel.

[synergie]

185. Of course, how else to keep the money flowing in? Also, is oppo research news to these guys?

[emsimon33]

134. If she gets the nomination, who will vote for her?

She is reinforcing the fact that she is not to be trusted.

[Truprogressive85]

141. Deja vu

Same thing Hillary Clinton did with Obama in 08 with the Bill Ayers


What is Clinton Camp's next like of attacks questioning where he worships or his religion ?

[Warren DeMontague]

145. meet me at the book burning!

[ViseGrip]

155. her transparent campaign gets worse every day. my friend supports her but she hates her campaign.

She knows what this will do to gq voters.

[glinda]

164. All respect now gone....

[Odin2005]

165. The more they red-bait they more Millennials will flock to Bernie.

[LeatherSofa]

168. Well if there is an actual doc,

then wear the damn thing. He's your candidate. If the Socialist turns out to be the Democratic nominee, I doubt if we win 5 states if that. The slaughter will remind people of Reagan/Mondale 1984. We might win District of Columbia.

[pinebox]

187. Doubtful

http://www.npr.org/2015/11/21/456676215/why-do-young-people-like-socialism-more-than-older-people

[Lucinda]

171. Really? > a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”

"...The dossier, prepared by opponents of Sanders and passed on to the Guardian by a source who would only agree to be identified as “a Democrat”, alleges that Sanders “sympathized with the USSR during the Cold War” because he went on a trip there to visit a twinned city while he was mayor of Burlington..."

Yeah...that's a great source to be bringing to attack a Democratic candidate.

[JTFrog]

192. The guy just got off vacation for constantly dumping right wing shit in this forum.

I guess he doesn't plan to stop anytime soon. You used to get a nice pizza of your choice for trolling DU.

[Lucinda]

195. I've been away from DU for a while and it's amazing how much has changed.

May take me a while to get my bearings...

[kath]

178. Here's a Clinton statement about Red-baiting (blast from the past): " A pathetic ploy by a desperate

politician" http://www.democraticunderground.com/12511049184

[Kentonio]

188. She's been seeing her polling amongst older voters start to slip

I assume this was intended to shore that up, as its a hugely important demographic for her.

[Helen Borg]

197. Funny, given the pro-Putin stance of the other side!

[Enthusiast]

191. Kicked and recommended! I am sick of this bullshit.

[Helen Borg]

196. Perhaps we all are Democratic Communists after all...

Just saying... Nothing wrong with it, if the terms are clearly defined.