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stone space

(6,498 posts)
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:44 AM Jan 2016

YES!!!! Bernie supports repeal of PLCAA!!!! Fuck the NRA!!!!!

Democratic Sen. Bernie Sanders is announcing his support for legislation that would reverse a 2005 law granting gun manufacturers legal immunity that he once supported

CHARLESTON, S.C. (AP) — On the eve of the next Democratic debate, Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders announced his support for legislation that would reverse a 2005 law granting gun manufacturers legal immunity that he once supported.

Sanders' changed position came in a statement issued after days of attacks from rival Hillary Clinton, who had attempted to use his previous vote to undercut his liberal image.

The two candidates, along with former Maryland Gov. Martin O'Malley, will meet Sunday for the last debate before voting begins in the Iowa caucuses — a match-up that's expected to be far more contentious than their previous three forums.


The debate was scheduled to take place just blocks from the Emanuel African Methodist Episcopal Church, where nine parishioners were killed in a mass shooting last summer. Gun control has emerged as a central theme in the race, with Clinton citing it as one of the major differences between the candidates.

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http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2016-01-16/sanders-says-he-supports-repealing-gun-manufacture-immunity


Thank you, Bernie, for listening to the people!

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YES!!!! Bernie supports repeal of PLCAA!!!! Fuck the NRA!!!!! (Original Post) stone space Jan 2016 OP
K&R !!!!! n/t RKP5637 Jan 2016 #1
I am glad he changed his mind and came around./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #2
funny how some are applauded for changing their minds, while others are criticized DrDan Jan 2016 #3
well see dsc Jan 2016 #4
For me, it's a matter of distinguishing between a flip and a flop. stone space Jan 2016 #5
I'm very confused mcar Jan 2016 #8
When you like the person doing the evolving./nt DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #10
Ah! mcar Jan 2016 #11
ADULTS can change their minds given new facts. Bernie is going to be president of a whole roguevalley Jan 2016 #12
+1 uponit7771 Jan 2016 #17
I think you nailed it. Number23 Jan 2016 #18
I don't confer omniscience, omnipotence, and infallibility on any politician... DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #19
When you don't do it very often. Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #26
sue the gun manfacturers for what? saturnsring Jan 2016 #6
Guns that have triggering defects, that the manufacturer knows about but ignores. TheBlackAdder Jan 2016 #7
Under the PLCAA... TCJ70 Jan 2016 #9
that make sense since there is an actual flaw in the product .. thanks ..nt saturnsring Jan 2016 #13
People like stone space Kang Colby Jan 2016 #14
Diversion. stone space Jan 2016 #15
I note the lack of denial on your part. beevul Jan 2016 #20
I don't even know what you want me to deny. stone space Jan 2016 #21
This... beevul Jan 2016 #22
Not interested in personal attacks. If you want to talk issues, let me know. stone space Jan 2016 #23
Its not a personal attack, its a claim about your motives and goals, re:guns beevul Jan 2016 #24
I'm not the subject of this thread. stone space Jan 2016 #25
"If you want to talk issues, lete me know". beevul Jan 2016 #28
An end to immunity. (nt) stone space Jan 2016 #29
Yeap, Sanders can throw no stones.... NOT ONE. He's not as 180deg from HRC as he claims to be uponit7771 Jan 2016 #16
Annie Oakley in the duck blind every Sunday with her six-shooter. How's that for flippy floppies? Ed Suspicious Jan 2016 #27
lol... HRC never voted to give immunity to gun manufactures... she's done other stupid shit.... uponit7771 Jan 2016 #30

DrDan

(20,411 posts)
3. funny how some are applauded for changing their minds, while others are criticized
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 08:46 AM
Jan 2016

quite confusing, isn't it

dsc

(52,078 posts)
4. well see
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:21 AM
Jan 2016

if you have a penis and change your mind all is good, if you don't have one and you change your mind you are a conniving calculating b word.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
5. For me, it's a matter of distinguishing between a flip and a flop.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 09:29 AM
Jan 2016

Flips I praise.

Flops I criticize.

This one looks like a flip to me.



roguevalley

(40,656 posts)
12. ADULTS can change their minds given new facts. Bernie is going to be president of a whole
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 12:29 PM
Jan 2016

country, not just a state so he has to think larger. WHen HRC changes her mind on her war mania, her lavish and slavish devotion to banks and money, then you can smirk at Bernie. I am STILL waiting for her to 'evolve'.

THose in glass houses ...

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,672 posts)
19. I don't confer omniscience, omnipotence, and infallibility on any politician...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 06:29 PM
Jan 2016

I don't confer omniscience, omnipotence, and infallibility on any politician, even the ones I like.

TheBlackAdder

(27,925 posts)
7. Guns that have triggering defects, that the manufacturer knows about but ignores.
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:10 AM
Jan 2016

.


I think it was a handgun case, and another with a rifle that are high profile. I'm not mentioning names, as I don't want any SLAPP suits. And there are a whole shitload more.


This causes hundreds or thousands to get 'accidentally' shot each year, around the world. In at lease one of the above, the manufacturers didn't want to issue a recall for cost and the fear it would be tantamount to admission that there was a design flaw or inferior metals that would wear or get jammed with debris. So, they let this defect exist for decades.


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TCJ70

(4,387 posts)
9. Under the PLCAA...
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jan 2016

...they're already liable for things like that. You just have to prove negligence, which is difficult no matter the product or the manufacturer.

Since I just looked it up for my other thread, here is a short summary of what they're considered liable for under current law:

"However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products are held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligence when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime."

 

Kang Colby

(1,941 posts)
14. People like stone space
Sun Jan 17, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jan 2016

just want gun dealers sued into bankruptcy because they sell guns. Under PLCAA, gun dealers can still be sued for illegal sales and defective products.

The Protection of Lawful Commerce in Arms Act (PLCAA) is a United States law which protects firearms manufacturers and dealers from being held liable when crimes have been committed with their products. However, both manufacturers and dealers can still be held liable for damages resulting from defective products, breach of contract, criminal misconduct, and other actions for which they are directly responsible in much the same manner that any U.S. based manufacturer of consumer products are held responsible. They may also be held liable for negligence when they have reason to know a gun is intended for use in a crime.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protection_of_Lawful_Commerce_in_Arms_Act

The controllers are responsible for this important legislation. Back in the 90s/ early 2000s, gun controllers attempted to bankrupt the industry by keeping the companies perpetually defending frivolous lawsuits. The idea wasn't to win in the court room but to bankrupt the companies due to legal fees and court costs.

Bernie supported PLCAA, because it was the right thing to do. He said so himself several times over the last few months. Once the primary is over, Hillary is going to drop the gun control charade like a bad habit. Mark my words. She will be back to telling the Annie Oakley stories. Why? Because gun control is an extremist, far left issue that no one really understands or cares about.
 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
22. This...
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:54 AM
Jan 2016

This:

"People like stone space just want gun dealers sued into bankruptcy because they sell guns".



Ya know, from a few posts up.

 

stone space

(6,498 posts)
23. Not interested in personal attacks. If you want to talk issues, let me know.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 12:59 AM
Jan 2016

You seem obsessed with personalities.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
24. Its not a personal attack, its a claim about your motives and goals, re:guns
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:07 AM
Jan 2016
"People like stone space just want gun dealers sued into bankruptcy because they sell guns".


Read it again. Its not a personal attack, its a claim about your motives and goals, re:guns.

And still you don't deny it.

If you want to talk issues, let me know.


Ok, but remember, you asked for it. Run away now and everyone will see it for what it was.

What is it that is being blocked by the PLCAA right now, that you seek to enable by the repeal of the PLCAA?

What specific door do you see its repeal opening up, that isn't already open?

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
28. "If you want to talk issues, lete me know".
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 01:15 AM
Jan 2016

Ok, but remember, you asked for it. Run away now and everyone will see it for what it was.

What is it that is being blocked by the PLCAA right now, that you seek to enable by the repeal of the PLCAA?

What specific door do you see its repeal opening up, that isn't already open?


"If you want to talk issues, lete me know".


I guess its obvious you didn't mean any of that. Mkay.

uponit7771

(90,130 posts)
30. lol... HRC never voted to give immunity to gun manufactures... she's done other stupid shit....
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:18 AM
Jan 2016

... but not that one.

All of these guys are imperfect, I find that appealing... I think it was Abe Lincoln that said a man who has no vice has no virtue either...

That's true...

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