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Warpy

(111,257 posts)
3. Religious haters have the capacity to be shamed
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 04:58 PM
Feb 2012

Oh, it doesn't happen nearly often enough, but the potential is there.

I'm not so sure about jingoistic or political haters. They seem mostly unreachable.

And that's what would fill the void, nationalism and political isms. No thanks.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
5. Yep, it probably would. I think there are what, about 4,000 religions
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 05:12 PM
Feb 2012

now ... I guess in a way that provides diversity, but surely better, as you mentioned, than some type of nationalism and political isms. That, would be scary.

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RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
7. Good point! ... more the fervent and sometimes manic adherence to something. Someone
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:05 PM
Feb 2012

can believe in an invisible being and all the magic that's been built around it ... but what crosses the line, at least for me, is when they try to force others to believe just the same and all of the trappings and baggage that go with their beliefs.

brooklynite

(94,554 posts)
8. Don't get your hopes up...
Wed Feb 8, 2012, 06:16 PM
Feb 2012

People can hate, fear or comepete with each other for any number of reasons under the sun.

dimbear

(6,271 posts)
10. I take my foot from out the flowing stream, it leaves no hole.
Thu Feb 9, 2012, 04:09 AM
Feb 2012

The stream, however, is a better place to drink.

malakai2

(508 posts)
12. I don't think it would be that different
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:25 AM
Feb 2012

I think Stephen Crane put it best: "Range me all the men of the world in rows."

People can fashion dogmatic beliefs and intractable positions over any inane thing or statement. They don't need organized religion to push them in that direction, though maybe it helps with early indoctrination and lifelong peer pressure. And it wouldn't last anyway; if there were no religion today it would only be a matter of time before dogma and superstition built us an entirely new set of religions.

I like to imagine all the different weird religions we would get doing that. Maybe we'd eventually stumble onto one that gets things more or less right.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
13. Yep, I think you are quite correct. It would be like digging in
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 12:47 AM
Feb 2012

sand, as soon as you dig down some, it fills back in again. I think there are something like 4,000 religions today in the world. As one of my friends said once, with all of them arguing about who is right and has the real god, as least it keeps them preoccupied and leaves the rest of us alone ... some.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
14. Y'know....
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:12 PM
Feb 2012

Religions that don't insist on converting people are a lot less trouble than those that do.

And of course there are philosophies like Taoism and even some Buddhism. Jainans try not to kill anything. Secular Humanism, anyone?

So even if you can't imagine religion disappearing, just getting rid of the "salvation" religions would be a great step forward.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
15. That, would be a huge big step froward, "just getting rid of the
Fri Feb 10, 2012, 09:24 PM
Feb 2012

'salvation' religions." It's the brainwashed fire and brimstone religions that irk me, the ones that feel their destiny in life is to convert/force every critter and rock to think/be just like them.

RKP5637

(67,108 posts)
17. Yep, so true. I guess it's a given in life, they will exist be it religion or
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:17 PM
Feb 2012

something else they've found. The hatred in so many religions just astounds me. No matter how old I get, I will never understand why there are so many assholes in life, just amazing to me.

darkstar3

(8,763 posts)
18. I like the way the Rude Pundit put it.
Sat Feb 11, 2012, 11:31 PM
Feb 2012

"You need to expect that motherfuckers will fuck their mothers. It's just what motherfuckers do."

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