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Related: About this forumThe Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain
The most precise measurement ever made of the current rate of expansion of the Universe has been achieved by physicists in the US, and theres a problem: the Universe is expanding 8 percent faster than our current laws of physics can explain.
If confirmed by independent tests, this new measurement will force us to rethink how dark matter and dark energy have been influencing the evolution of the Universe for the past 13.8 billion years, and that means something in the standard model of particle physics has to change.
"I think that there is something in the standard cosmological model that we don't understand," lead researcher Adam Riess from Johns Hopkins University, who also co-discovered dark energy back in 1998, told Davide Castelvecchi at Nature.
So
wtf just happened? Well, right now, physicists explain the gradual expansion of the Universe - which has been in effect since the Big Bang - by the presence of dark matter and dark energy.
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http://www.sciencealert.com/the-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-the-laws-of-physics-can-explain?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1
LiberalArkie
(15,715 posts)eomer
(3,845 posts)daleanime
(17,796 posts)that sucking always leads to expansion.
but that would be bad, so I won't.
Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)Warren DeMontague
(80,708 posts)Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)Response to n2doc (Original post)
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MisterP
(23,730 posts)Maedhros
(10,007 posts)I'm not, but I'm clever enough to spot foolishness when I see it.
/ignore.
sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)sakabatou
(42,152 posts)Duppers
(28,120 posts)According to a brief explanation my son gave me, dark energy and dark matter are things within our universe and space-time itself. He said that's like saying if we're in a sleeping bag then we are the sleeping bag. Yes, he has to use very simplified analogies for me.
Why do I ask my son? Because next month, he's walking across the stage to receive his PhD in high-energy theory at JHU--in the same dept. as Adam Riess.
Dave Kaplan http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/seven-years-500-hours-footage-capture-particle-fever/ was his first major prof, but Dave was spending too much time producing the documentary to continue being a faculty advisor.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)Congratulations to your son, Duppers.
Thank you! I'm a proud mama.
Ever see the movie Bagger Vance? This clip reminds me of a serious scene in that movie where Matt Damon send the golf ball into a stand of trees and Will Smith (Bagger Vance) uses the one-with-the-ball psychology to help him out. Good movie. Too bad that technique doesn't work in physics.
It'll be surprising if Einstein is finally proven wrong in any way. Just my 2 cents. Although physicists have come a long way in understanding its complexities, nature is stranger than we could have imagined and what's left to understand is mind blowing.
Uncle Joe
(58,355 posts)I agree on all counts, Duppers, peace to you.
cstanleytech
(26,290 posts)Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)The good thing about science is that when "Laws" are broken, they get redefined.
mn9driver
(4,425 posts)Physicists all over the world have created this hoax for their own nefarious (probably Communist) purposes!
Their scheme is unraveling before our eyes!
insert sarcasm thingy here if required.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)Augiedog
(2,545 posts)stopped moving.
itsrobert
(14,157 posts)Inflating like a beachball. And my thought was the black holes are feeding the inflation. Probably, totatlly wrong and dumb thought.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)that explains the Big Bang....
See? I can gets sciency stuff too!
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)Here's the paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1604.01424v1.pdf
But, since their estimate for the current rate of expansion is more than theory gives from Cosmic Microwave Background measurements which involves going right back to the start of the universe, it has implications for what inflation has happened since then.
"If we take the conflict between Planck high-redshift measurements and our local determination of H0 at face value, one plausible explanation could involve an additional source of dark radiation in the early Universe in the range of ∆Neff ? 0.4?1.
...
A significant disagreement would provide evidence for fundamental physics beyond the standard model, such as time-dependent or early dark energy, gravitational physics beyond General Relativity, additional relativistic particles, or nonzero curvature. Indeed, none of these features has been excluded by anything more compelling than a theoretical preference for simplicity over complexity. In the case of dark energy, there is no simple explanation at present, leaving direct measurements as the only guide among numerous complex or highly tuned explanations."
Spitfire of ATJ
(32,723 posts)He thinks it's funny as hell.
LiberalEsto
(22,845 posts)Silent3
(15,210 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)Califonz
(465 posts)Our universe accelerating toward one or more other universes so old that all their galaxies merged into black holes trillions of years ago. Or maybe it's turtles all the way down.
thereismore
(13,326 posts)constant, but physicists would like to have a deeper understanding of what that number represents. What is that "stuff" we got to call dark energy.