Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 05:59 PM Apr 2016

The Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain

The most precise measurement ever made of the current rate of expansion of the Universe has been achieved by physicists in the US, and there’s a problem: the Universe is expanding 8 percent faster than our current laws of physics can explain.

If confirmed by independent tests, this new measurement will force us to rethink how dark matter and dark energy have been influencing the evolution of the Universe for the past 13.8 billion years, and that means something in the standard model of particle physics has to change.

"I think that there is something in the standard cosmological model that we don't understand," lead researcher Adam Riess from Johns Hopkins University, who also co-discovered dark energy back in 1998, told Davide Castelvecchi at Nature.

So… wtf just happened? Well, right now, physicists explain the gradual expansion of the Universe - which has been in effect since the Big Bang - by the presence of dark matter and dark energy.

more

http://www.sciencealert.com/the-universe-is-expanding-faster-than-the-laws-of-physics-can-explain?perpetual=yes&limitstart=1

35 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies
The Universe is expanding faster than the laws of physics can explain (Original Post) n2doc Apr 2016 OP
It is just trying to get as far as possible from this planet. LiberalArkie Apr 2016 #1
But that's what can't be explained - since this planet sucks so bad. eomer Apr 2016 #3
If I were truly an Evil Bernie Bro I would explain.... daleanime Apr 2016 #7
PORTALS! PORTALS TO DEMONIC REALMS! Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #19
first 4 replies are SO Duzy worthy. dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #34
WHO FARTED? Warren DeMontague Apr 2016 #2
Why does beer always get the blame? Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #18
Message auto-removed Name removed Apr 2016 #4
found the Velikovskite! MisterP Apr 2016 #5
So, you're smarter than thousands of astrophysicists? Maedhros Apr 2016 #10
We know that space-time itself can travel faster than light, correct? sakabatou Apr 2016 #6
It would have to, without space-time you would have no light, therefor space-time must precede light Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #8
So in essence, it's saying that it's speeding up more than current models sakabatou Apr 2016 #14
Perhaps dark matter is space and dark energy is time? Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #22
That'd be weird. sakabatou Apr 2016 #24
Ah, nope. Duppers Apr 2016 #25
Be the ball Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #27
:D Duppers Apr 2016 #30
I loved that movie. Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #32
Stop posting now please, you are making my tiny little brain hurt. nt cstanleytech Apr 2016 #33
Big deal, so is my waistline... Thor_MN Apr 2016 #9
This obviously means that Gravity is a hoax. mn9driver Apr 2016 #11
Damn you, I just banged my head on the ceiling ToxMarz Apr 2016 #15
i thought guth already explained this saturnsring Apr 2016 #12
Expanding or inflating? There is difference and it matters. Nothing in the universe has ever Augiedog Apr 2016 #13
Wow. I was just having this thought that the universe is itsrobert Apr 2016 #20
If teh universe DOES expand like a beachball dixiegrrrrl Apr 2016 #35
What they've measured is current expansion muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #23
It's all a practical joke by The Great Attractor..... Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #16
Too many donuts n/t LiberalEsto Apr 2016 #17
I'm waiting for someone to blame this on gluten. n/t Silent3 Apr 2016 #21
Annie Hall recall no_hypocrisy Apr 2016 #26
Ignoring the obvious explanation? Califonz Apr 2016 #28
That is not accurate. The rate of expansion can be "explained" with a certain value of cosmological thereismore Apr 2016 #29
+10 Duppers Apr 2016 #31

daleanime

(17,796 posts)
7. If I were truly an Evil Bernie Bro I would explain....
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:28 PM
Apr 2016

that sucking always leads to expansion.

but that would be bad, so I won't.

Response to n2doc (Original post)

 

Maedhros

(10,007 posts)
10. So, you're smarter than thousands of astrophysicists?
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:40 PM
Apr 2016

I'm not, but I'm clever enough to spot foolishness when I see it.

/ignore.

Uncle Joe

(58,355 posts)
8. It would have to, without space-time you would have no light, therefor space-time must precede light
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:29 PM
Apr 2016

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
25. Ah, nope.
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:26 PM
Apr 2016

According to a brief explanation my son gave me, dark energy and dark matter are things within our universe and space-time itself. He said that's like saying if we're in a sleeping bag then we are the sleeping bag. Yes, he has to use very simplified analogies for me.

Why do I ask my son? Because next month, he's walking across the stage to receive his PhD in high-energy theory at JHU--in the same dept. as Adam Riess.

Dave Kaplan http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/seven-years-500-hours-footage-capture-particle-fever/ was his first major prof, but Dave was spending too much time producing the documentary to continue being a faculty advisor.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
30. :D
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:12 PM
Apr 2016

Thank you! I'm a proud mama.

Ever see the movie Bagger Vance? This clip reminds me of a serious scene in that movie where Matt Damon send the golf ball into a stand of trees and Will Smith (Bagger Vance) uses the one-with-the-ball psychology to help him out. Good movie. Too bad that technique doesn't work in physics.

It'll be surprising if Einstein is finally proven wrong in any way. Just my 2 cents. Although physicists have come a long way in understanding its complexities, nature is stranger than we could have imagined and what's left to understand is mind blowing.


 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
9. Big deal, so is my waistline...
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:38 PM
Apr 2016

The good thing about science is that when "Laws" are broken, they get redefined.

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
11. This obviously means that Gravity is a hoax.
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:47 PM
Apr 2016

Physicists all over the world have created this hoax for their own nefarious (probably Communist) purposes!

Their scheme is unraveling before our eyes!






insert sarcasm thingy here if required.

Augiedog

(2,545 posts)
13. Expanding or inflating? There is difference and it matters. Nothing in the universe has ever
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 07:55 PM
Apr 2016

stopped moving.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
20. Wow. I was just having this thought that the universe is
Fri Apr 15, 2016, 09:27 PM
Apr 2016

Inflating like a beachball. And my thought was the black holes are feeding the inflation. Probably, totatlly wrong and dumb thought.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
35. If teh universe DOES expand like a beachball
Tue Apr 19, 2016, 04:42 PM
Apr 2016

that explains the Big Bang....

See? I can gets sciency stuff too!

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
23. What they've measured is current expansion
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 07:40 AM
Apr 2016

Here's the paper: http://arxiv.org/pdf/1604.01424v1.pdf

But, since their estimate for the current rate of expansion is more than theory gives from Cosmic Microwave Background measurements which involves going right back to the start of the universe, it has implications for what inflation has happened since then.

"If we take the conflict between Planck high-redshift measurements and our local determination of H0 at face value, one plausible explanation could involve an additional source of dark radiation in the early Universe in the range of ∆Neff ? 0.4?1.
...
A significant disagreement would provide evidence for fundamental physics beyond the standard model, such as time-dependent or early dark energy, gravitational physics beyond General Relativity, additional relativistic particles, or nonzero curvature. Indeed, none of these features has been excluded by anything more compelling than a theoretical preference for simplicity over complexity. In the case of dark energy, there is no simple explanation at present, leaving direct measurements as the only guide among numerous complex or highly tuned explanations."

 

Califonz

(465 posts)
28. Ignoring the obvious explanation?
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 05:58 PM
Apr 2016

Our universe accelerating toward one or more other universes so old that all their galaxies merged into black holes trillions of years ago. Or maybe it's turtles all the way down.

thereismore

(13,326 posts)
29. That is not accurate. The rate of expansion can be "explained" with a certain value of cosmological
Sat Apr 16, 2016, 06:10 PM
Apr 2016

constant, but physicists would like to have a deeper understanding of what that number represents. What is that "stuff" we got to call dark energy.

Latest Discussions»Culture Forums»Science»The Universe is expanding...