Mysterious Russian Statue Is 11,000 Years Old - Twice As Old As The Pyramids

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A mysterious wooden idol found in a Russian peat bog has been dated to 11,000 years ago - and contains a code no one can decipher.

The Shigir Idol is twice as old as the Pyramids and Stonehenge - and is by far the oldest wooden structure in the world.

Even more mysteriously, it is covered in what experts describe as ‘encrypted code’ - a message from a lost civilisation.

Professor Mikhail Zhilin of the Russian Academy of Sciences' Institute of Archeology said: 'The ornament is covered with nothing but encrypted information. People were passing on knowledge with the help of the Idol.'

Russian experts think that the strange carvings may contain a belief system, the equivalent of the Bible’s Genesis.

The statue had been dated as being 9,500 years old, after its discovery in a peat bog 125 years ago.

But new research in Mannheim, Germany used Accelerated Mass Spectrometry n small fragments of the sculpture, and found it is at least 11,000 years old.

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https://uk.news.yahoo.com/mysterious-russian-statue-is-11-000-years-old---twice-as-old-as-the-pyramids-170632897.html#lLJKRVM

[HassleCat]

1. Careful now

The wood is 11,000 years old. When forgers create "old" documents, they use old paper and old ink. The Russians are fond of practical jokes of this sort.

[Ichingcarpenter]

6. That's just anti Russian unscientific garbage ........

this piece is well documented...............

[alfredo]

28. If it was in a peat bog, wouldn't it be black?

OK, saw better images, there is some staining.

[Ned Flanders]

23. drunk historians?

Do the Clampers have a chapter in Russia?

[FormerRepublicanNow]

34. But the Bible tells me the earth (or is it the Universe)

is 6000 years old. Very strange.

[svpadgham]

35. Further evidence that the Russians

Are a bunch of Godless heathens. Praise White Jesus!

[loudsue]

2. I don't believe russia much.

Can't help it.

[FlatBaroque]

3. That's unfortunate

It is quite harmful to develop a reactionary bias as this skews one's understanding of everything. It is a weak way to simplify the vast amount of complexity and nuance that surrounds us.

[Backwoodsrider]

7. was told not to stereotype as a child

But I did anyway because it made life a little simpler. But now in middle age as I am getting in touch with myself I am understanding its the complexity and nuance that makes life grand, not my little fear-based ego.

[cleanhippie]

40. It'd be fun to sit and have a beer with you.

Your telling my story.

[Backwoodsrider]

43. just coffee for me I am in AA

Sooner or later we hear our story, guaranteed

[cleanhippie]

44. Coffee would be just as good, if not better!

Always a pleasure to meet fellow travelers.

[cstanleytech]

30. True but on the hand if someone tells you something and gave you their word that it was the truth

and later on you found out they lied and then they did it repeatedly to you over and over again at some point wouldnt you kinda start doubting their word?

[RealistComments]

37. Have Russians lied to you repeatedly?

Or have they lied to you any more than, say the American government has lied to Russians? Do you think it is okay for mobs to drive out legally elected Presidents (as happened in Ukraine), or for Army Generals to overthrow legally elected Prime Ministers with the help of foreign intelligence services (as happened in Iran)?

[Duppers]

17. The Russian govt. and the Russian scientific community,

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which DH knows about firsthand, are two different things. These scientists are interested in being accepted by the world scientific community where their integrity is valued.

[MisterP]

18. it's the Neolothic: except maybe Lapland there's not going to be many countries

WITHOUT something from 9000 BC

it's not a plot or anything

[Bradical79]

26. Don't believe about what?

The dating was done in Germany.

[qazplm]

27. In Soviet Russia

ancient finds study you.

[cleanhippie]

41. Lol

https://www.google.com/search?q=yakov+smirnoff&client=safari&hl=en&prmd=vi&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0CAgQ_AUoAmoVChMIk4vFqrTXxwIVSSyICh3lYQpN&biw=375&bih=559#imgrc=PxIXEtnNWwWryM%3A

[Baitball Blogger]

4. And an alien shaped head!

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

[Ichingcarpenter]

5. Urfa Man totem at Gobekli Tepe 13,500 years old

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Urfa Man totem at Gobekli Tepe n is 13,500 years old, the oldest statue ever found. Also, he is holding balls with both hands. he is six feet tall.

Notice his woven V neck shirt......... that's pretty advanced clothing which means technology above normal......... Then notice his shaved head and face.
That's pretty unusual too since he didn't have a safety razor or a Gillette blade..






The Russian find has been around for a while and confirmed by western scientists and scholars way before the Soviet Union of Modern Russia so that's just anti science I've read in this thread. The Max Planck Institute Mannheim, Germany is one the most advanced institute in the world that verifies Dating, DNA and nuclear physics...........they tested the wooden statue's age there.......

[alfie]

8. What he made from? Nt

[Ichingcarpenter]

9. Same stone as the monoliths at Gobekli Tepe

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6bekli_Tepe

[smiley]

13. I'm fascinated by Gobekli Tepe

The whole structure makes me question everything I've been taught about the origins of human civilization. I'm not sure I agree with the analysis that this was a temple, but no matter what purpose it served, it took some superb engineering skills to build.

[Ichingcarpenter]

15. One of the figures on the monolith has a belt buckle

and a man bag, looks like a purse........

I mean, come on .... a belt buckle? Now where did he get that from?


There is just too many things about that place that over
turns any conventional thought about our development. Building these structures took massive organizational skills, planning and development.

The relief stone work is another mind blower plus purposefully burying the whole damn thing.... yep its fascinating.

[Judi Lynn]

21. What they can't explain, they ignore.Thank you for adding Gobekli Tepe.So many have never heard. n/t

[AlbertCat]

25. V neck shirt?

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Where?

Looks just as likely to be something like a necklace.

Or a styalized drape from a large slit of a neckline.... like a poncho or something.

Doesn't have to be woven.... if it's soft leather.



Anyway.... both statues are awesome!!!!

[Beartracks]

32. Might it be possible he was designed to wear a wig?

Just curious.

Take Greek and Roman statues from antiquity, for example: they're all white. Marble statues, for example, carved with great attention to detail, capturing an exact likeness of their subjects, and yet no color. I was surprised to learn from a teacher back in school that they were likely painted when new. Which kinda made sense to me, as the white eyeballs could always seem so lifeless. And yet now, centuries later, the paint is gone, leaving us with the classic white.

Maybe in a similar manner all we're seeing of Urfa Man is what's left after the ravages of time. Perhaps he was intended to sport a wig made from animal fur...



Although... his eyes are still a brilliant blue.

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[COLGATE4]

10. It's a COOKBOOK!! nt

[eppur_se_muova]

19. *snarf* nt

[cstanleytech]

31. By any chance is the title To Serve Man?

[shadowmayor]

11. It's a warning!

In its original state it had a bouffant of bright orange-yellow hair. It was a warning to the 21st century people not to follow the Trumpenstein!

[packman]

12. It reads - Going South to warmer climates

going to build village on river and have idea of piling stones up in a mountain shape

[Dont call me Shirley]

14. Who will be the one to decode the encrypted code?

[alfredo]

29. They're dirty limericks.

[Ichingcarpenter]

16. A much better link with more pictures and history

you won't regret it........

http://siberiantimes.com/science/casestudy/features/is-this-the-worlds-oldest-secret-code/

[Duppers]

20. Thanks for posting this link.

[kjones]

22. I'm an archaeologist

I don't know much about Old World archaeology, but there are a few things
that popped into my mind when I read this short article.

First, AMS dating dates when the material an object is made out of died. So if the
AMS dating is correct, it's perhaps best to say (and given my limited understanding of
what is known of the artifact) that the statue can be no older than 11,000....but may
be younger. It is possible to use wood long after it has died to create something, or
to recycle old wood. For example, my cousin reclaims old wood from demolished barns
to craft things, thus, I have a birdhouse made in the last 10 years that has a
carbon dating signature that may be many decades old.

Second, AMS dating is not infallible. Given that this object was found in a peat bog,
an area high in slow decaying carbon, it's possible that there could be contamination
from the surrounding matter.

Again, I'm neither an Old World academic or an AMS specialist, so I can't be sure.
I would expect that they have compensated for these issues. Still considerations
though.

[left-of-center2012]

24. Did Putin find it?

Just kidding

[Beartracks]

33. Yes, he did. Here's a pic from just before he discovered it...

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[area51]

45. LOL. n/t

[malthaussen]

36. I'm curious why they call it "encrypted."

It would seem to me that they would have to know the alphabet and grammar in which the message was written before they can say it is "encrypted." For all we know, why couldn't it be the Neolithic equivalent to "Eat at Joe's?"

-- Mal

[cleanhippie]

42. Good point.

Or it's an overuse of that word meaning "we just don't understand it".

Agreed that it's a poor word choice.

[DhhD]

38. Humans preserve well in colder bogs; maybe as well as wood.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/07/140718-bog-bodies-denmark-archaeology-science-iron-age/

[MADem]

39. Time traveller?