Take that, Pope: Desmond Tutu Says He Would Prefer Hell Over A Homophobic Heaven And God

[2ndAmForComputers]

Give 'em hell, Des.

www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2013/07/27/archbishop-desmond-tutu-gay-homophobic-heaven-god_n_3662968.html

The retired archbishop was speaking at the United Nations' launch of its gay-rights program in Cape Town, South Africa, a country where there is still much prejudice against gay people.

He said: "I would refuse to go to a homophobic heaven. No, I would say sorry, I mean I would much rather go to the other place.

"I would not worship a God who is homophobic and that is how deeply I feel about this.

"I am as passionate about this campaign as I ever was about apartheid. For me, it is at the same level."

[Bluenorthwest]

1. Desmond is a man of faith, Francis is a man of politics and money and power

Francis hopes to ride this bigotry one last time to help him cover up the horrible crimes his friends and peers in the Church have done. 'Do no look at my rapist friends, instead blame gay people and say they attack God, forget those who attack children.'

[rug]

2. I am pleased to see you supporting an archbishop.

[cbayer]

3. Good for him. Africa is in desperate need of leaders that will

stand up to homophobia, both religious and non-religious.

[skepticscott]

4. Please, perhaps you could give us examples

of all of the homophobia being advocated by non-religious organizations in Africa.

Or is this just more "everyone is doing it" apologetics?

And for someone who's spent their life serving and supporting a rabidly and fundamentally homophobic organization, his words ring pretty hollow. Oh...right...he's going for "change from within". How's that working, Des?

[hrmjustin]

5. I was under the impression the Anglican Church of South Africa which he serves is very pro LGBT

rights. They are our sister church and we never had an issue with them. Maybe years past it was different but not today. Other Anglican churches in Africa are homophobic but not the South African one.

[rug]

7. 38 of 62 national legislatures in Africa.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Africa

[skepticscott]

8. The members of which are acting

according to religious motives, according to your own source.

[rug]

9. You asked for nonreligious organizations. You got them. 38 of them.

Unless you're now claiming those states are theocracies.

In any event, this is what the source stated.

Many African leaders feel that gay rights are against their cultural and religious value systems and believe they have a sovereign right to reject what is seen as an imposition by mainly Western nations, which attempts to affect national sentiment via aid.

These are the sources for that statement:

"Gay and Lesbian People are affronted by CONTRALESA's stance on Same Sex Marriage", Joint Working Group

"Zimbabwe Rejects UN Appeal for Gay Rights, Denies Torture Claims", Zimbio, reported by Rod McCullom, 21 May 2012

"Homosexuality and Africans: Pan-African position on Gay Rights", African Holocaust, July 2011

After you read them, tell me how much of the motivation is cultural and how much is religious. Surely you don't think there would be no homophobia without religion.

[struggle4progress]

6. Tutu is Anglican, not Catholic

[2ndAmForComputers]

11. And?

[struggle4progress]

12. So the remarks of the Honorable Mr Tutu are unlikely to be directed at the Pope

[backscatter712]

10. He realized the same thing I did...

Well, not literally, as I'm an unabashed atheist...

All the best parties are in Hell!