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What is so special about Jesus dieing? (Original Post) Bay Boy Mar 2013 OP
I might be mistaking but i think Easter is when he comes back to life. darkangel218 Mar 2013 #1
The special part is that supposedly he didn't stay dead. The Velveteen Ocelot Mar 2013 #2
The apposals creed states that Drale Mar 2013 #27
Because his dieing brought forth the hippie fashion trend of ruining perectly good tshirts: Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #3
Or forcing molten metal under high pressure into a mould cavity BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #7
How else are you going to make millions of crosses-on chains? Cooley Hurd Mar 2013 #8
Sounds like Mr. Hicks is probably in the t-shirt camp BeyondGeography Mar 2013 #10
Love Hicks... deutsey Mar 2013 #25
Ok, I'm an atheist skepticscott Mar 2013 #4
Are you truly this clueless? Is your google finger paralyzed? kestrel91316 Mar 2013 #5
Spending too much time with the circlejerkers in the Gundgeon ?....try reading a book, any book. Nt pkdu Mar 2013 #6
Don't try out for Jeopardy Faygo Kid Mar 2013 #9
I'll take "How to get a clue" for 500, Alex. R. Daneel Olivaw Mar 2013 #28
"But let us not talk of that perfection of non-violence. It requires greater heroism struggle4progress Mar 2013 #11
What the Jesuits taught me was deutsey Mar 2013 #12
Excellent post.. monmouth3 Mar 2013 #14
Did the Jesuits bother to note Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #18
Yes, they did deutsey Mar 2013 #21
Your high level summary was a gross distortion. Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #23
Whatever deutsey Mar 2013 #24
Hmmm... Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #30
It wasn't done by a fruitcake with an assault weapon. TheCowsCameHome Mar 2013 #13
Why a reference to... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #15
He was exceedingly skilled at stamping out medallions? Warren Stupidity Mar 2013 #16
He picked up out bar tab. nt rrneck Mar 2013 #17
You made a hilarious typo Bay Boy Apr 2013 #31
Gah! rrneck Apr 2013 #32
I hope you realize Bay Boy Apr 2013 #36
Double gah! rrneck Apr 2013 #37
psst... I think you mean "dying" hlthe2b Mar 2013 #19
Ok... Bay Boy Mar 2013 #20
It's the coming back from the dead that has them all atwitter. Iggo Mar 2013 #22
When the talking serpent talked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, who then shared it with Adam, ZombieHorde Mar 2013 #26
Because he's coming back to judge the quick, the dead, and the bad spellers. PassingFair Mar 2013 #29
Well, god created man and woman with original sin... Apophis Apr 2013 #33
Oy. Iggo Apr 2013 #38
I believe that by his death and resurrection we are all saved. ALL! hrmjustin Apr 2013 #34
I have talked to quite a few Christians edhopper Apr 2013 #35
 

darkangel218

(13,985 posts)
1. I might be mistaking but i think Easter is when he comes back to life.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:13 PM
Mar 2013

I was born xtian but I don't follow xtianity. However, I believe in " to each their own". People can believe and worship whatever and whomever they chose.

Sorry to be harsh, but mind your own.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(116,136 posts)
2. The special part is that supposedly he didn't stay dead.
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:14 PM
Mar 2013

Although I was raised in a Christian church I'm still a bit fuzzy on the concept of why he had to die for our sins in the first place, especially if he didn't stay dead. But that's the big deal - not the crucifixion, but the resurrection.

Drale

(7,932 posts)
27. The apposals creed states that
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 09:05 PM
Mar 2013

he died and descended to the dead. Most scholars tend to state that Jesus went to the land of the dead before returning and 40 days later ascending into heaven, opening the gates so the faithful could enter. Before that you just want to the "land of the dead" when you died, but now you could get into heaven. That's the way I always learned it anyway.

 

kestrel91316

(51,666 posts)
5. Are you truly this clueless? Is your google finger paralyzed?
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:17 PM
Mar 2013

And BTW, I'm completely agnostic and think the whole thing is poppycock.

pkdu

(3,977 posts)
6. Spending too much time with the circlejerkers in the Gundgeon ?....try reading a book, any book. Nt
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:21 PM
Mar 2013

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
11. "But let us not talk of that perfection of non-violence. It requires greater heroism
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:45 PM
Mar 2013

heroism than of brave soldiers ... Cowardice and brother-hood go ill together. The world does not accept today the idea of loving the enemy. Even in Christian Europe the principle of non-violence is ridiculed. While somebody writes to me from there : "Will you explain more clearly this your principle of non-violence ?' ... And there are others who affirm; 'Christianity has become a pretence at present. Christians do not understand the message of Jesus. It is necessary to deliver it over again in the way we can understand.' All ... are right from their own angles. But I must say that so long as we do not accept the principle of loving the enemy, all talk of world brotherhood is an airy nothing. Many men and women ask me, "Is it ever possible for the weak human flesh to rise above the inborn desire to avenge one's wrongs ?" I say, 'Yes. It is because we are not fully conscious of our manhood, that we cannot shed hatred and enmity'. Darwin says man is descended from the monkey. If that is true, we have not yet attained the stage of man ... "Do what you may. Without fear, without malice, and without return, I stand like a rock to receive all your blows." That is my ideal of a hero. Such heroes have become immortal. Christianity has produced such heroes and so have Hinduism and Islam. I don't subscribe to the view that Islam is the religion of the sword. History does not support it

... As mankind assimilates more and more the lesson of brotherhood, the spirit of non-violence among whole masses of men will spread wider. The history of Quakers and those others, the Dukhobors, whom Tolstoy has spoken of, shows how masses also can be filled with brotherly feeling ...

... And I have come here to ask you 'Why not go that way willingly and soon, rather than be forced into it ?' It may seem strange that I should say this to Christians. But I have pleaded for the same thing to Hindus also. Some Christians, however, tell me that Jesus' message of love was meant only for His 12 disciples. In India also, those who deprecate non-violence say that it will make India a country of cowards. To them I wish to say, 'India is doomed, if it does not accept non-violence.' All other nations also are ...

Speech by M.K. Gandhi to London Missionary Society of India in 1925

deutsey

(20,166 posts)
12. What the Jesuits taught me was
Fri Mar 29, 2013, 05:57 PM
Mar 2013

Jesus challenged the religious, social, and political structures of his time with his preaching that God's new reality of radical inclusion of everyone (especially the least of these) was in-breaking here and now.

He also preached a radical trust in God even during the darkest, most hopeless moments in our lives.

He was arrested and crucified as he was beginning to gain a large following and after his direct confrontation with the powers that be in the Temple when he chased the moneychangers out of the Temple.

Through his sham trial and painful execution, he demonstrated it was possible to remain true to what he preached even as he died in agony and humiliation on a cross.

His integrity even in the midst of despair and doubt ("My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?&quot resonated with his followers, perhaps even shaming them for abandoning him in their fearful self interest. This led to them experiencing Jesus in a new and profoundly transformative way that, for better and worse, shook the world.



 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
18. Did the Jesuits bother to note
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 11:36 AM
Mar 2013

That the inclusion of Gentiles into the new faith occurred after the death of Jesus?

In other words, they were not being entirely honest. Paul did that. The original faith was for Jews only.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
23. Your high level summary was a gross distortion.
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 03:37 PM
Mar 2013

Attributing to Jesus doctrine that was invented long after he died is not a high level summary.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
30. Hmmm...
Sun Mar 31, 2013, 03:41 PM
Mar 2013

Jesus challenged the religious, social, and political structures of his time with his preaching that God's new reality of radical inclusion of everyone (especially the least of these) was in-breaking here and now.



Did the Jesuits bother to note hat the inclusion of Gentiles into the new faith occurred after the death of Jesus? In other words, they were not being entirely honest. Paul did that. The original faith was for Jews only.



Yes, they did I was going for a very high-level summary..


Whatever indeed. Caught in a flat out obvious contradiction, whatever is the only possible response, eh?

Bay Boy

(1,689 posts)
20. Ok...
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 01:00 PM
Mar 2013

...I thought it was die and dieing , to signify death.
and dye or dying to color eggs

So oops on me, but I guess I won't edit my title at this point.

ZombieHorde

(29,047 posts)
26. When the talking serpent talked Eve into eating the forbidden fruit, who then shared it with Adam,
Sat Mar 30, 2013, 08:41 PM
Mar 2013

God cursed all of humanity with original sin. God then sacrificed his own son, Jesus, in order to wash away this original sin. It was basically ritual magic with a blood sacrifice for the purpose of cleansing our souls.

Been a while since I was in Sunday School, but that is what I remember.

 

Apophis

(1,407 posts)
33. Well, god created man and woman with original sin...
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 03:54 PM
Apr 2013

Then he impregnated a woman with himself as her child so that he could be born. Once alive, he would kill himself as a sacrifice to himself to save us from the sin he originally condemned us to.

edhopper

(33,740 posts)
35. I have talked to quite a few Christians
Mon Apr 1, 2013, 04:39 PM
Apr 2013

who are convinced that Jesus' death and resurrection is unique in world religions.
I think this an evangelical thing.

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