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Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:15 PM

Religion Big Factor for Americans Against Same-Sex Marriage


December 5, 2012

Overall, 53% favor legalized same-sex marriage, tying previous record high

by Frank Newport

PRINCETON, NJ -- Americans who oppose the legalization of same-sex marriage, 46% of the adult population, are most likely to explain their position on the basis of religious beliefs and/or interpretation of biblical passages dealing with same-sex relations.

Other reasons given by those who oppose same-sex marriage include the conviction that marriage should be only between a man and a woman and the view that same-sex marriage is morally wrong or against traditional beliefs. Smaller percentages say that civil unions should be sufficient, that same-sex marriage is unnatural or against the laws of nature, or that same-sex marriage would undermine the traditional family structure.

These data are from a Nov. 26-29 USA Today/Gallup poll that explored a number of issues relating to the status of gays and lesbians in American society. Gallup.com will report additional findings later this week.

Supporters Cite Equal Rights and Personal Choice

Those who favor same-sex marriage are most likely to explain their position by saying either that it is a matter of equal rights, or that such things should be left to the personal choice of those involved. Other supporters say that it is not other people's business to decide who should get married, or that they personally know people who are gay or lesbian.

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:23 PM

1. The second table uses "Equal rights" but the author does not explain or cite the legal arguments for


including same-sex marriage as an unenumerated right protected by the Ninth Amendment to our Constitution.

Absent that legal foundation, then same-sex marriage is a privilege granted by We the People's government just as is opposite-sex marriage.

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Response to jody (Reply #1)

Fri Dec 7, 2012, 06:06 PM

7. It's very simple, really.

If opposite sex couples can marry and same sex ones can't, that's a violation of the principle of equal treatment under the law. Your point was?

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 02:37 PM

2. Really? Because the Bible tells them so!

What else does the Bible say:

Leviticus 21:5
They shall not make bald patches on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts on their body.

Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord.

Matthew 5:27-28
Do not commit adultery. But I tell you that anyone who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.

I could go on, but you get the gist...most of those who use the Bible as an excuse are "buffet" Christians, choosing what they want and not being too concerned about the rest!

There's another word to describe them...Hypocrites!!!

Matthew 15-9
You hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy of you, when he said: “‘This people honors me with their lips, but their heart is far from me; in vain do they worship me, teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”

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Response to atreides1 (Reply #2)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:37 PM

4. The Dr. Laura letter is the best response to those who use the bible to justify their bigotry.

Dear Dr. Laura

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your show, and try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend
the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that
Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the other
specific laws and how to follow them.

1. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord - Lev.1. The problem is my neighbors.
They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in
her period of menstrual cleanliness - Lev.15:19-24. The problem is,
how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offence.

4. Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can
you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus
35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated
to kill him myself?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination - Lev. 11:10, it is a lesser abomination than
homosexuality. I don.t agree. Can you settle this?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I
have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading
glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev.
19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes
me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two
different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing
garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester
blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really
necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town
together to stone them? - Lev.24:10-16. Couldn.t we just burn them to
death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with
their in-laws? (Lev.20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident
you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is
eternal and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan,

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Response to cbayer (Original post)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:31 PM

3. I expect the "religious right" will be the last hold out on equality. Yet demographic trend is clear

From the same piece ~ pinto

Fifty-Three Percent Favor Same-Sex Marriage; Ties Record High

Overall, 53% of Americans believe same-sex marriages should be recognized by law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages -- tying with May 2011 as the highest level of support Gallup has found since it began tracking the issue in 1996. Forty-six percent say such marriages should not be legal.

Do you think marriages between same-sex couples should or should not be recognized by the law as valid, with the same rights as traditional marriages?

More than two-thirds of Americans were opposed to same-sex marriage in 1996 when Gallup first asked about the issue, and the majority were opposed as recently as 2010. But half or more of Americans have supported same-sex marriage in three out of the four Gallup surveys conducted since May 2011.

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Response to pinto (Reply #3)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 04:39 PM

5. I kind of wish they had led with this point, but it is good to know

where the biggest roadblocks are.

The good news is that many of them are totally disenchanted with the political system, as their *leaders* have done little to advance their causes despite all the promises.

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Response to cbayer (Reply #5)

Thu Dec 6, 2012, 06:00 PM

6. Yeah. The public polls / election results then, that West Point marriage ceremony.

LOL. I bet they're disenchanted.

What I find ironic is their blatant sense of inevitability - public and political - being successfully challenged - publicly and politically.

It's a Shakespearian denouement, imo. For now, I relish it.

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