IRONY ALERT: Catholic cardinal condemns 'forces of division' and fear

[trotsky]

http://religionnews.com/2017/11/13/catholic-cardinal-condemns-forces-of-division-and-fear/

...DiNardo linked the church’s advocacy for immigrants with the Roman Catholic teaching against abortion, saying respect for others begins in the womb. He also called for stronger religious liberty protections for health care workers and others who oppose abortion.

The bishops’ meeting began Sunday night with an opening Mass presided over by Cardinal Pietro Parolin, the Vatican secretary of state, to commemorate the 100th anniversary of their conference. In his sermon, Parolin encouraged bishops to continue bringing the church’s voice to “social issues and political debates.”

“The urgent need to welcome and integrate new waves of immigrants continues unabated,” Parolin said. “At the same time, the Catholic community is called, under your guidance, to work for an ever more just and inclusive society by dispelling the shadows of polarization, divisiveness and societal breakdown by the pure light of the Gospel.”

Remember, this is the same institution that officially teaches homosexuality is "intrinsically disordered," which has historically shunned children born out of wedlock, and whose current leader has compared accepting the transgendered to Naziism. Clearly they're experts on dividing people, so I guess we should listen.

[Angry Dragon]

1. Is the catholic church now going to embrace other religions??

[trotsky]

2. Wait, are you suggesting that calling oneself "The One True Church" might be divisive?

No way!

[Angry Dragon]

3. Many, many years ago I read an article in the Minneapolis Tribune stating

that the catholic church would tolerate other religions as long as they admit that the catholic church was the one true religion.........at the time I thought that was pretty arrogant of them

[Cartoonist]

4. Irony or hypocrisy?

"respect for others begins in the womb"

And ends when they come out as gay.

[guillaumeb]

5. How dare the Cardinal condemn forces of division and fear??

Every one knows that religion is evil.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

6. I think you miss the point

that the RCC IS A FORCE OF DIVISION AND FEAR. One true catholic church and all that. Don't sin or you will fry in hell for all eternity. Fix the plank in your own eye first, RCC. Be the world you want to see.

[trotsky]

7. What do you think the RCC's stances on LGBT issues are, g-man?

Is telling people they are "intrinsically disordered" divisive?

Oh I know you won't answer, so don't bother.

[Lordquinton]

8. Today on Poe or not

[guillaumeb]

9. Points for silly clips.

Deduction for analysis.

[Lordquinton]

10. Nah, you totally missed it

Or you're fine with hypocrisy as long as it's dressed in a frock.

[guillaumeb]

11. Hypocrisy?

Like atheists defending intolerance if it concerns a group of atheists? I understand.

[trotsky]

12. Aw, that's cute.

You still think that a private group of atheists in Boston kicking out a Trump fan is "intolerance."

That's just adorable, g-man. Not sure why you think DU is going to sympathize with a Trump-humper but I guess that's the best you've got, and dammit you're going to ride it no matter what. Your hatred of atheism is so great, you'll embrace a Trump supporter to try and smear it. In doing so, you are perfectly illustrating one of the biggest complaints many atheists have with religion. So, thanks!

[guillaumeb]

14. Excusing intolerance again?

I understand. Really, I do.

[trotsky]

15. Just questioning the definition of "intolerance" you've made up.

Hey, it works for you, and you get to hate on atheists, so win-win I guess.

I'm glad you keep bringing it up though, trying to get sympathy for a Trump supporter on Democratic Underground. That's surely a winning strategy.

[guillaumeb]

16. You might want to look in a dictionary for a definition.

Or not.

I notice that now you have decided to promote another meme, the "hate on atheists" meme. Good luck with that one.

[trotsky]

18. Oh don't mind me.

Just making sure everyone knows "the rest of the story" when it comes to your favorite example of "atheist intolerance."

[guillaumeb]

22. Yes, keep creating these memes.

And preaching to the choir.

[trotsky]

25. "the choir"

Wait, you mean YOUR meme?

[guillaumeb]

28. Not a meme, simply an observation of what is obvious to many here.

[Lordquinton]

34. "stop making memes"

"here's my meme"

Classic G-man...

[trotsky]

36. LOL

Classic!

[Lordquinton]

55. I like the visual detection of posts

It was getting repetitious saying the same thing. I just had to hit the middle suggestion and it knew the way.

[trotsky]

37. Not a meme, simply an observation of what is obvious to many here. n/t

[Cuthbert Allgood]

21. Holy crap

The RCC is INSANELY intolerant to LGBTQ issues. But, yeah, that Trump humper got kicked off a private discussion board. Are you OK with MIRT kicking people off this discussion board?

But, again, LET THE RCC SLIDE ON THEIR BIGOTRY.

[guillaumeb]

23. You might want to read a bit about the issue CA.

The Boston atheist was a member of a non-political group of atheists. Nothing like what you evidently assume.

[trotsky]

27. I shall provide the link to your story of "atheistic intolerance" for the benefit of the readers.

http://freethinker.co.uk/2016/12/02/expelled-from-boston-atheists-for-thought-crime/

Note to the readers of this thread: we only have the account from the Trump supporter, which guillaumeb assures us MUST be the 100% unvarnished truth.

Some gems:

Recently, my own right to free speech was flagrantly violated by Boston Atheists (BA), of which I’d been a member for many years.

Mr. Lauritsen (and our friend guillaumeb) are evidently both confused about how the first amendment right to free speech applies only to the GOVERNMENT and not to PRIVATE INSTITUTIONS. LMAO.

It is outrageous that members of an atheist group can hurl wild and unfounded accusations against the Republican President-Elect, Donald Trump, but are forbidden to criticize the failed presidential candidate of the Democrats, Hillary Clinton.

Poor little snowflake is upset that other members of Boston Atheists were pointing out Trump's hostility toward chuch-state separation issues. Remember, he's a victim of horrible atheist intolerance, according to guillaumeb. You need to feel sorry for him.

[guillaumeb]

30. Yes, a link, and more defense of intolerance.

Thank you for undercutting your own side.

[Lordquinton]

35. So... Private groups can't enforce their own rules?

Why are you always inconsistent when you talk about atheists?

[trotsky]

38. LMAO!!!!

"Some seem intolerant of the fact that institutions have the right to enforce certain rules."

[Cuthbert Allgood]

31. I know the story.

The guy was being a complete knob in the group and they kicked him out for that and then he cried like a baby about them hating Trump people.

So, why do you feel it is so important to bring that barely applicable reason up and then not go after the exclusivity of the RCC which is actually harming people?

[trotsky]

39. Because evidently guillaumeb thinks those examples are the same...

or perhaps even that kicking someone out of an atheist group is WORSE than fighting to deny millions of LGBT people full equality across the globe?

I honestly don't know. He hasn't said.

[Act_of_Reparation]

40. You need to stop with this shit.

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Boston Atheists kicks one guy out their club. The Roman Catholic Church calls millions of people intrinsically disordered and actively campaigns against the equalization of their rights. And this is a healthy comparison?

Don't bother responding to the question. The answer is "no".

[guillaumeb]

48. Intolerance is wrong.

Unless it is our group that is intolerant.

I understand.

[Lordquinton]

13. Comparisons to imaginary things don't count

Members of an incredibly divisive church calling for others to be less divisive? Classic RCC

[trotsky]

17. But Lq, you don't understand.

REAL intolerance is when a private group of atheists in Boston kick a member out because he's a fan of Donald Trump and doesn't care about the church-state separation issues in a Trump presidency, which the group was very concerned about. So really they had NO RIGHT to kick him out, even though he was directly in opposition to one of the group's goals.

Get with the program, won't you?

[Lordquinton]

19. I'm sorry

I forget that private groups can set any standards they want, unless they are atheists.

[trotsky]

20. That's right!

https://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=255985

The "unless they are atheists" is implied, of course. Because otherwise someone would have just exposed themselves as a raging hypocrite, and we know that can't be true.

[guillaumeb]

24. Irony? Here is irony:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1218259819

[trotsky]

26. How horrible of someone to relate an experience they had...

anonymously, on the Internet.

I mean, who cares about the Catholic Church's active anti-LGBT stances affecting the lives of millions around the world? Someone disrespected someone else's religion on DU!

Glad you have your priorities in order, g-man.

[guillaumeb]

29. An experience framed as intolerance.

When all of the demonstrated intolerance was demonstrated by the poster.

[Mariana]

33. You keep using these words

with your own personal made-up definitions. Come on, Gil, give us a break. Let us in on your secret code. Post a glossary.

[guillaumeb]

47. I suggest you buy a dictionary.

It might prove enlightening.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

32. Sooooo

he didn't say anything to her and then just threw it away.

KILL HIM WITH FIRE!

[trotsky]

41. INTOLERANCE!!!

[Act_of_Reparation]

42. The definition of irony:

The expression of meaning using language that would normally express the opposite.

Kind of like this guy I know who uses words like "tolerance" to express his hatred of atheists.

[Mariana]

43. How could you be so intolerant?

Are you a dictionarial literalist? You know some people believe the dictionary is full of allegory and other literary devices, and you should be tolerant of that belief.

[Act_of_Reparation]

44. Alas, I have seen the light!

No longer shall I tether myself to the literal meanings. Today, I am nuanced.

Here it goes:

Spatchcock lemon cat's meow. Run the vapid lazy day up the flagpole lubricant and belay the arsonist's happy granola.

Know what I mean?

[Mariana]

45. Well, by my definitions, the ones I happen to be using right now

That's an intolerant statement. And you can't argue with me, because that would be intolerant too. So there.

[Act_of_Reparation]

46. Hardly.

I never throw away anything anyone gives me, out of respect to their beliefs. I spend hours every week pouring over every piece of junk mail the postal service brings to my door because I wouldn't want to disrespect any old ladies who might be trying to save my soul the power of their imaginary father figure. I am totes tolerant.

[Mariana]

50. Your house must be a real firetrap, keeping all that paper forever and ever.

Not to mention all the mice and roaches and such that like to nest in piles of paper. Ick. (Sorry about being intolerant of cockroaches, I'm working on it, I promise!) Eventually the intolerant fire marshall or someone from the intolerant health department is going to come by and intolerantly condemn your place and boot your ass out of it. What then? You'll be involuntarily intolerant. Does that even count?

[Act_of_Reparation]

51. If they tell me I gotta move out, I guess I'll have to move out.

I wouldn't want to be intolerant of their opinion and fight it in court. No, I'll go live in the woods, though there is a chance I'll be eaten alive by squirrels. Part of me would want to fight them off, but I don't want to be intolerant of their needs and deny them a meal.

[Mariana]

53. Do squirrels even eat meat? I don't think so.

You're so intolerant for being made of flesh. But you're warm, so you'll be able to extend your tolerance to the snakes that will surely want to share your sleeping space. But the snakes might eat the squirrels. Aaaargh! What to do, what to do?

At least the snakes and the squirrels won't try to get you to read religious propaganda. So there's that. You won't be littering the woods, accumulating a bunch of paper that you can' t throw away because it would be intolerant to do so.

[guillaumeb]

49. If you can find this person who hates atheists,

post links to the evidence of hatred. That should be simple enough.

[Act_of_Reparation]

52. I don't have to look very far.

Unfortunately, the DU code of conduct generally prohibits callouts. Luckily, I don't need to call them out. Everyone already knows who they are.

[guillaumeb]

54. I understand.

It was simply an unsubstantiated allegation.