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HAB911

(8,890 posts)
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:35 AM Oct 2017

Pope Francis Should Reject Callista Gingrich

as Ambassador (for Adultery)

The pontiff rejected a French ambassador just because he was gay; surely, he should reject Trump's pick for her sins.

When President Donald Trump visited Rome in May, Twitter and Facebook lit up. Many delighted in headlines and commentary that suggested that when Trump visited the Vatican, the Pope schooled him the way a disappointed headmaster deals with a badly behaved remedial student. Indeed, much in Trump’s agenda (to say nothing of his character) is at odds with Pope Francis’s touchstone priorities: lifting up the poor and hungry, tackling climate change and serving as responsible custodians of a fragile planet, showing compassion for refugees and respect for their human dignity. These purposes have inspired American Catholics and non-Catholics alike making the Pope far more popular than Trump himself in the United States.

http://foreignpolicy.com/2017/08/09/pope-francis-should-reject-callista-gingrich-as-ambassador-for-adultery/

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Pope Francis Should Reject Callista Gingrich (Original Post) HAB911 Oct 2017 OP
She's not gay Cartoonist Oct 2017 #1
Reading comprehension much? TenHouseCats Oct 2017 #3
I read just find Cartoonist Oct 2017 #4
Maybe drink your coffee first next time. Act_of_Reparation Oct 2017 #5
But she did marry a twice-divorced man meow2u3 Oct 2017 #9
I think the way it works Mariana Oct 2017 #10
Yep, just like confession SCantiGOP Oct 2017 #15
But janterry Oct 2017 #2
catholic annulments are a con job Angry Dragon Oct 2017 #7
Gingrich's first two marriages were befrore his conversion. Mariana Oct 2017 #11
Assuming Gingrich was validly baptized in the Christian faith, all other things being valid, No Vested Interest Oct 2017 #12
I see. His 3rd marriage stopped being adulterous in 2013 Mariana Oct 2017 #13
Pope Francis is a bigot. Cuthbert Allgood Oct 2017 #6
Yes indeed. trotsky Oct 2017 #8
Something in common with callista Lordquinton Oct 2017 #14
Jesus was asked: Master, how many times shall we forgive? guillaumeb Oct 2017 #16

TenHouseCats

(52 posts)
3. Reading comprehension much?
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:56 AM
Oct 2017

OP didn't say that she was gay, but did, indeed, plainly state why she should be rejected.

My apologies to all who choose to read what's written; on first cup of coffee and in hissy mood.

Cartoonist

(7,316 posts)
4. I read just find
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:01 AM
Oct 2017

An institution that accepts pedophilia couldn't care less about Gingrich's behavior. She's not gay. That's what's important to the RCC.

Have another cup.

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
5. Maybe drink your coffee first next time.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:04 AM
Oct 2017

His point is that the Vatican will reject you for being gay, but will not necessarily reject you for being an insufferable moral monster. Such are the priorities of the Holy See.

meow2u3

(24,761 posts)
9. But she did marry a twice-divorced man
Wed Oct 25, 2017, 11:01 PM
Oct 2017

Wouldn't that put her in a state of adultery according to Catholic teachings?

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
10. I think the way it works
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 12:48 AM
Oct 2017

is that the Church considers his first two marriages invalid, because they happened before he converted. So he wasn't really married to his first two wives, therefore Callista never really committed adultery with him and also is not doing so now. I'm sure she's long since been absolved of the years of fornication that went on while they thought he was married to his second wife. It's all very convenient.

 

janterry

(4,429 posts)
2. But
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 09:45 AM
Oct 2017

just to identify doctrine (and I'm not catholic anymore)
but being gay is continuing to be gay. As reprehensible as Callista is (and she's a terrible person from what I can tell), she could have sought forgiveness for her sin (is sorry and will 'sin no more'). From that standpoint, rejecting her would be saying that she could not be forgiven - despite her contrition - and that doesn't seem right.

A better president would not have appointed her. But we do not have a better president

ETA: Gingrich's marriage was annulled, wasn't it?? (if it wasn't, then she'd still be living in sin)

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
11. Gingrich's first two marriages were befrore his conversion.
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 12:52 AM
Oct 2017

I think that means he was never married to his first two wives at all, as far as the Church is concerned.

No Vested Interest

(5,166 posts)
12. Assuming Gingrich was validly baptized in the Christian faith, all other things being valid,
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 02:39 AM
Oct 2017

his first marriage would have been valid.
First wife died; therefore he was no longer married and was free to remarry.

Second marriage was not valid, for reasons I don't recall - I think it had to with second wife's marriage status.
Marriage not valid; therefore there never was a marriage; annulment= no marriage.

Marriage to Callista, whom I believe had never been married.

Assumption is made that both Newt and Callista confessed past sins and were contrite and sins were forgiven, as proscribed by Christ's words, "Whose sins you shall forgive, they are forgiven them; whose sins you shall retain, they are retained." John 20:23.

Therefore, Pope Francis will accept the ambassadorial credentials of Callista Gingrich.

Mariana

(14,856 posts)
13. I see. His 3rd marriage stopped being adulterous in 2013
Thu Oct 26, 2017, 10:34 AM
Oct 2017

because his first wife finally died off. How fortunate for them.

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
6. Pope Francis is a bigot.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 10:56 AM
Oct 2017

That's why he rejected the French ambassador. Don't think this is about morality as a whole. As others above have indicated, he has protected child rapists, why should some adultery bother him?

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
8. Yes indeed.
Tue Oct 17, 2017, 04:17 PM
Oct 2017

Child rapists are protected and sheltered.

Adulterers are put into respected ambassadorships.

But sorry, if you're gay and in a committed, loving relationship, the church cannot tolerate you.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
16. Jesus was asked: Master, how many times shall we forgive?
Fri Oct 27, 2017, 05:28 PM
Oct 2017

And Jesus responded, 7 times 70, a metaphor for without limit. Should the Pope do any less?

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