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Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:24 PM

Bible Question

It is written in the Bible that a god created Adam and Eve
They had two sons at the beginning
Cain killed Able
God sent Cain away and he went to live in the land of Nod with other people

Where the heck did these other people come from??

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Angry Dragon Sep 2015 OP
Erich Bloodaxe BSN Sep 2015 #1
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #3
trotsky Sep 2015 #2
JoePhilly Sep 2015 #4
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #5
TlalocW Sep 2015 #6
Goblinmonger Sep 2015 #9
LineReply .
rug Sep 2015 #7
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #8
rug Sep 2015 #11
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #16
Major Nikon Oct 2015 #28
goldent Oct 2015 #29
Major Nikon Oct 2015 #30
goldent Oct 2015 #31
Major Nikon Oct 2015 #32
cleanhippie Sep 2015 #18
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #19
cleanhippie Sep 2015 #20
rug Sep 2015 #21
Warpy Sep 2015 #10
Hayduke Bomgarte Sep 2015 #12
mr blur Sep 2015 #13
rug Sep 2015 #14
LostOne4Ever Sep 2015 #15
Angry Dragon Sep 2015 #17
Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #22
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #23
Act_of_Reparation Oct 2015 #24
Fumesucker Oct 2015 #25
SheilaT Oct 2015 #27
Warpy Oct 2015 #26

Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:30 PM

1. incest.

Eating the fruit wasn't the only thing those crazy ancestors got up to.

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Response to Erich Bloodaxe BSN (Reply #1)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:57 PM

3. incest with whom??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:41 PM

2. And in that same exact vein...

how could Voldemort not have known or at least figured out that Harry himself was a horcrux? He knew how many he had intentionally made, he clearly had the experience to know what happens when one is made. So how the heck did he not know that?

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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:58 PM

4. Blasphemer!!!!

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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:59 PM

5. I can not find any reference to those things you mention in the Bibles I have

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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 03:59 PM

6. Maybe he did

And Harry had to be an acceptable loss otherwise the prophecy of ending Voldemort would come true.

TlalocW

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Response to trotsky (Reply #2)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:12 PM

9. oh, oh, oh, plus, Voldemort is a pretty smart guy

 

so how would he not have figured out that Harry was the chosen one just because Voldemort made him that. Neville could have been the one, too, but it was Harry just because Voldemort tried to kill him.

Harry Potter is a lot more fun to talk about and has FAR fewer plot holes than the bible.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:01 PM

7. .

 

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Response to rug (Reply #7)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:09 PM

8. thanks for the clip

care to answer the posed question??

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:25 PM

11. The literalist answer is that Eve bore unnamed "other sons and daughters” (Gen 5:4).

 

Not being a literalist, I read it as a metaphor for the moral development of humanity (which does not contradict evolution).

Let me spare you the next obvious question for a literalist. The prohibition against incest was not announced until generations later (Lev 18-20).

That's all I have for you. I find both literalist critiques and literalist readings of the Bible as stultifying as the witness in the clip.

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Response to rug (Reply #11)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:13 PM

16. ...........

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Response to rug (Reply #11)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:39 PM

28. How do you tell which parts of the bible are to be taken literally and which are not?

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #28)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 12:42 AM

29. That is a complex question and one that theologians

spend a lot of time on. As you might imagine, there are all kinds of methodologies, and lots of debate.

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Response to goldent (Reply #29)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 01:22 AM

30. Which essentially means the bible says whatever you want it to say

...and the only ones who are the most consistent are the literalists.

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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #30)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 08:02 AM

31. It is a complex book and there are no rules as to how you interpret it.

You are free to do what you want.

Like many ancient (and not-so-ancient) texts, there are scholars who study it in detail to try to understand the parts of it that are history and the parts that are allegory. Give it a try!

Regarding consistency, you have no doubt heard this quote by Emerson:

A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds, adored by little statesmen and philosophers and divines. With consistency a great soul has simply nothing to do. He may as well concern himself with his shadow on the wall. Speak what you think now in hard words, and to-morrow speak what to-morrow thinks in hard words again, though it contradict every thing you said to-day. — 'Ah, so you shall be sure to be misunderstood.' — Is it so bad, then, to be misunderstood? Pythagoras was misunderstood, and Socrates, and Jesus, and Luther, and Copernicus, and Galileo, and Newton, and every pure and wise spirit that ever took flesh. To be great is to be misunderstood.

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Response to goldent (Reply #31)

Thu Oct 8, 2015, 09:29 AM

32. I was referring to consistency among groups, not consistency within individuals

The Emerson quote was one of my father's favorites who like Emerson, was a Unitarian minister. My father used it in at least one sermon where he taught that religion should always be independently validated by each individual and we should never take for granted what someone else tells us to believe, or not believe. When asked what to believe he would always say it's up to you to figure that one out. I'm not sure if many religionists who are not Unitarians or subscribe to certain far eastern theologies would care for that philosophy much, though.

As far as all those people you mentioned, with the exception of one we have independent verification the writings(or at least the vast majority of writings) attributed to them are genuine. So it makes it a much simpler matter to derive understandings of their works. In the case of Jesus, some of the biggest debates among theologians concern whether biblical passages can actually be attributed to him, and biblical historians often debate whether any of it can be.

Anyone can be misunderstood, so I don't really attribute that quality to greatness. YMMV.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #8)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:32 PM

18. He doesn't do that. Answering questions would expose the hypocrisy.

Now, cue his lame retort in 3...2...

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #18)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:34 PM

19. he gave me a nice answer ........ see above

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Response to Angry Dragon (Reply #19)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:35 PM

20. Well damn. Maybe hell has frozen over or something.

Or it could be because he got a hide today.

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Response to cleanhippie (Reply #20)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 08:12 PM

21. Or maybe you have perception problems.

 

Rolling around on the floor frequently tends to skew what you see.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:12 PM

10. Adam & Eve were nothing but lab rats, an experiment

to see how people with free will born into a perfect world would behave. The serpent told them the truth about the fruit they weren't supposed to eat, god lied about it.

The rest of us were already here to welcome them when they escaped the cage.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 04:32 PM

12. I was too young to remember it, but

My older brother was asked to not return to Confirmation classes, as a kid, for asking that very question.

That story has been recounted many times through the years at family gatherings. As far as I am aware, he still has never gotten any intelligible answer.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:33 PM

13. Well either they had sex with their mother, or. . . actually, that's it.

 

But do consult an apologist, they'll probably explain how incest was OK in those days because Gawd hadn't decided it was wrong yet. Plenty of apologists around - oh, look, there's one up there

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Response to mr blur (Reply #13)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:49 PM

14. Pesky time stamps. Your attempt at snark results in simple plagiarism.

 

Work on your wit. You're halfway there.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 05:53 PM

15. The answer to that question:

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Response to LostOne4Ever (Reply #15)

Wed Sep 30, 2015, 07:28 PM

17. I have heard that before

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 11:09 AM

22. Simple answer

Genesis isn't the work of a single author, but a compilation of works created by multiple authors over a long period of time.

Also, it's fiction.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #22)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:43 PM

23. So the Bible is kind of like bronze age fanfic?

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Response to Fumesucker (Reply #23)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 06:58 PM

24. More of like a bronze age fanfic compendium.

The best work of the biggest fans of the Enuma Elis.

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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:19 PM

25. Pedant....



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Response to Act_of_Reparation (Reply #24)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:29 PM

27. Bronze age fanfic compendium.

 

OMG! I am going to have to remember that.

I was raised Catholic, so of course I was discouraged from ever reading the Bible, and did so out of curiosity when in my twenties. Never quite got around to reading it all, but I must say that Genesis reads like pure science fiction.

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Response to Angry Dragon (Original post)

Wed Oct 7, 2015, 07:24 PM

26. Adam & Eve were his lab rats

The rest of us were already here.

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