Pope Francis silly in the US: #1 : Women
Starting a series on the nonsense Francis uttered in the US, #1: women.
Maureen Dowd hit the nail on the head:
shortly after he was elected, Francis flatly rejected the idea that the institution could benefit from opening itself to the hearts and minds of women. Asked about the issue of female priests, he replied, The church has spoken and says no, adding, That door is closed.
Francis preaches against the elites while keeping the church an elite boys club.
Paul Vallely, the author of a respected biography, Pope Francis: Struggle for the Soul of Catholicism, calls women the pontiffs area of greatest weakness.
He understands there is a problem with the role of women in the church and talks frequently about the need for a new profound theology of women, but he has no idea how to implement this, Vallely told me. In practice, he is a man of a certain age from a macho, Latin American cultural background who has limited understanding of the women in the modern world, ..
a priest in San Francisco, Father Jack McClure, was being sanctioned for appearing at a conference on womens ordination in Philadelphia last weekend (...) Father McClure got a message from his archbishop in San Francisco, the archconservative Salvatore Cordileone who supported a pastor who banned altar girls this year that he could no longer celebrate Mass, starting in October. (...)
If only the pope could apply this Golden Rule: Do unto women as you would have them do unto you.
He needs to be held accountable for what he says that you don't like, otherwise you undermine your own position.
If you ignore the bits you don't like, what makes you think the the message you do like won't be ignored in turn?
You begin with the unproven premise that he is awful, though many signs indicate he is as appalled at many of the Church's crimes as you or I, and from what I have seen and read, this man is far less awful than the vast majority of the people on the planet.
Like everyone else, I'd hazard he has his dark nature and blind spots, especially when it comes to women and marriage, but I'd bet money he is better than most of us when it comes to helping others and following the philosophy of Jesus Christ.
Then you proceed by saying some undefined force/organization/individual must hold him accountable for what he says that I dislike, which I don't comprehend at all. I rarely agree with anyone 100 percent, but no one expects God or public opinion or whatever to hold the person with whom I disagree accountable for the disagreement.
As far as the last sentence, it is self evident that people are in fact listening to the social justice, environmental stewrdship and economic equality message of this Pope, and then acting on it.
Why toss out the baby with the bathwater?
"How beautiful!" he added. "He knows the sense of dignity! He has to punish them but does it justly and moves on."
That doesn't sound like a good person to me.
If you have evidence that people are listening to him, then you should be scared about people listening to the negative aspects as well. Or do the gays just have to sit under the bus again until it's "Convenient?"
...their children is awful, and we should ignore his advocacy for human rights, the environment and social justice?
Look, I'm backing away from this conversation. I'm unsure what you are dealing with, but it appears to be beyond my expertise and I don't think I can help you. Good luck. Lordquinton.
Hey! He wants to lower taxes for the poor! That's a great thing! We should embrace Donald Trump, right? Just ignore the part about favoring the rich? I mean, don't be a Debbie Downer!
Oh, question. Why do you and the other poster have the same vermin badge?
'Hey, don't throw away everything the pope says because of this one thing.'
Well, here's Donald Trump, currently a frontrunner for president, saying things we don't like. But he's got this thing that we DO like. So we should stop bashing him, according to your logic.
The vermin badge was the result of nasty behavior from a DUer. He intended it as a vicious slur, but several of us have embraced it as a badge of honor. Considering that same poster has compared gay marriage to marrying one's bicycle or grandmother, and has told women who were denied birth control coverage to just go 'get some rubbers at the drugstore,' I welcome his attacks. I know I'm on the right side.
And do so within minutes of each other. I'm going to tell you the same thing I told the "other guy".
There is more going on here than I have the training to deal with, so I'm going to wish you both luck and step aside.
Your logic here is 'Don't throw out everything the pope says just because you don't like some of what he says. Some of it's good.'
So I'm asking you if we should refrain from throwing away everything Trump says, just because we don't like some of it. Some of it's good, you know. Lower the tax burden of the poor? That's a wonderful idea. Shall we support Trump for president?