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Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
Tue May 26, 2015, 04:51 AM May 2015

New Religions: (3) the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster

After two threads on the First Church of Bacon and the United Church of Shatner, this third thread on New Religions is more emotional for me, for here, I am presenting the doctrine and beliefs of my own Church: the Holy Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Before I go into detail about the mainstream beliefs of our Church, it should be remembered that ours is a young Church, with beliefs which still are only gradually becoming clear to us. Our doctrine, beliefs and attitudes are therefore liable to be evolutive, sometimes transitional and/or contradictory. All of which is secondary compared to what really counts: a deep personal relationship with our god, the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster (may tomato sauce be upon it).

By decreasing importance and degree of consensus, our beliefs are:

• the Universe was created by our maker, the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster (may grated parmeggiano be upon it) on the First Day after he had drank from the Beer Volcano in Heaven. the fact the Holy FSM had drunk is the rational explanation for the imperfections of this world.

The Supreme Spaghetti enjoying the occasional prank, He hid dinosaur fossils underground to "dupe mankind" about Earth's true age. He is also the cause of gravity, pulling things down with His Holy noodly appendage (may extra virgin olive oil be upon it)

• Believers and most sinners will go to paradise where they will enjoy the Beer Volcano and hookers (72 hookers if one dies doing the pastafarian jihad, a kind of frat war involving pasta)

• The holy sloth day is Friday, celebrated as the FSM's TGIF with kegs of cold beer.
The attire most respectful of our god is a pasta sieve (including on ID photos)


• Some Pastafarians believe the pirates of the 1600s and 1700s were the original pastafarians on earth, maybe or maybe not with special powers. The only thing which is a fact is that many ills on earth developed after the disparition of the pirates of the Carribean Sea, notably man made global warming, as proven by this graph:

Dressing and talking like a pirate are considered signs of devotion to the Church.

Like any Church, we must face doubters, and even haters. Here is what the Discovery Institute spokesman Robert Crowther said of us: "It's too bad that they'll get attention for this sort of drivel when we have a robust scientific research program that the media doesn't seem to want to write much about". The robust scientific research program of the Discovery Institute is about proving a man-like 'God' created the universe, world, creatures and pasta in 7 days. (a ridiculous claim compared to the much more reasonable proposition of a creation in one beer fuelled day).

I think I covered the main points. Do not hesitate to ask me question. You can PM me if you wish to join our Church.

May fresh basil leaves be on the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster always.
Noodly yours.

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New Religions: (3) the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster (Original Post) Yorktown May 2015 OP
Praise to his High Priest edhopper May 2015 #1
Heretic! Do not try to create schisms among our Church. Yorktown May 2015 #2
Forgive me my trespasses edhopper May 2015 #3
ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, brother hopper,.. Yorktown May 2015 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2015 #103
Ramen! n/t trotsky May 2015 #5
Pasta be upon you, brother Trotsky. Yorktown May 2015 #6
FSM has been decreed by the Almighty and Powerful Internet Forum Hosting God as farce. cleanhippie May 2015 #7
LOL EvilAL May 2015 #8
Well then, FSM is in good company. trotsky May 2015 #9
That's Bronze Age religions privilege. Yorktown May 2015 #10
From the owner of the site hrmjustin May 2015 #43
+1 rug May 2015 #45
Yes one can say that as well. hrmjustin May 2015 #46
FSM makes as much phil89 May 2015 #54
Your opinion. hrmjustin May 2015 #55
But you enforce whose opinion gets to discuss Yorktown May 2015 #108
And the owner told you it is my job to decide these things. hrmjustin May 2015 #109
How so? Yorktown May 2015 #110
The was the site works is groups have hosts that run the room and they decide what goes on in the hrmjustin May 2015 #111
I will answer the administrator because it's fun Yorktown May 2015 #113
Imlook foward to reading your response. hrmjustin May 2015 #114
As for the rest of my posts, I'll keep you informed. Yorktown May 2015 #116
You can take it however you want. hrmjustin May 2015 #117
You already said that probably 10 times Yorktown May 2015 #118
Maybe more. hrmjustin May 2015 #119
No wonder you reached 58'000 posts Yorktown May 2015 #120
Maybe but i am also on mirt and that gets your post count up as well. hrmjustin May 2015 #122
I hope you don't forget to tell them you're a mod Yorktown May 2015 #123
They are aware of it. hrmjustin May 2015 #124
Thank goodness Yorktown May 2015 #125
Not really. hrmjustin May 2015 #126
Why don't you tell me who you think the Bible's Moses was? Yorktown May 2015 #127
it is something i take on faith. hrmjustin May 2015 #128
But you know verifiable facts make the literal Moses story impossible. Yorktown May 2015 #129
When you get 100 percent proof it did not happen let me know. hrmjustin May 2015 #130
No 100% proof of the inexistence of unicorns either Yorktown May 2015 #131
And? hrmjustin May 2015 #132
The literal Moses story is extremely improbable, based on facts. Yorktown May 2015 #133
Can you prove the FSM exists? hrmjustin May 2015 #134
The FSM is not contradicted by evidence, the Moses story is. Yorktown May 2015 #135
Do you take the FSM on faith? If not prove he exists. hrmjustin May 2015 #136
Faith is acceptable as long as there is no contrary evidence. Yorktown May 2015 #137
Well thanks for pointing it out. hrmjustin May 2015 #138
I am admirative Yorktown May 2015 #139
No i don't believe in the FSM. hrmjustin May 2015 #140
Which is why you ban it from interfaith dialogue Yorktown May 2015 #141
I ban it because it is a joke on religion as skinner said today. hrmjustin May 2015 #142
Don't hide behind someone else Yorktown May 2015 #143
I answered this and i am not going in circles. hrmjustin May 2015 #144
Moses, Adam and Eve make a mockery of spirituality Yorktown May 2015 #145
May your faith give you comfort. hrmjustin May 2015 #146
Does the fictitious Moses give you comfort? Yorktown May 2015 #147
No he doesn't. Jesus gives me comfort. hrmjustin May 2015 #148
I'll save Jesus for another day. Moses today. Yorktown May 2015 #149
Sure. i question my faith all the time. hrmjustin May 2015 #150
No, you don't, or you'd question Moses. Yorktown May 2015 #151
Don't tell me what i do and don't do. hrmjustin May 2015 #152
I know what you told me: that you take Moses on faith Yorktown May 2015 #153
I think we are done for the night. hrmjustin May 2015 #155
Good night Yorktown May 2015 #156
That's how groups work. You're just going to have to enjoy your fun outside of the MADem May 2015 #154
I could not possibly be taken as evidence of such. Yorktown May 2015 #49
It's pretty convincing evidence. rug May 2015 #59
Conspiracy theory much? Yorktown May 2015 #104
Never mind. rug May 2015 #105
Interesting. hrmjustin May 2015 #11
Good. I suppose we can start interfaith dialogues then? Yorktown May 2015 #12
What do you want to talk about? hrmjustin May 2015 #13
How was the Universe created? Yorktown May 2015 #14
There was a big bang. hrmjustin May 2015 #15
Good. How did life appear on earth? Yorktown May 2015 #16
Life evolved on earth. hrmjustin May 2015 #17
What is the use of that allegory? Why two diverging ones? God inspired both? Yorktown May 2015 #18
Questions, questions so many questions. hrmjustin May 2015 #19
The Moses of the Bible is impossible Yorktown May 2015 #20
Then don't believe it. hrmjustin May 2015 #21
Why do you believe in it when I show you debunking proof? Yorktown May 2015 #22
Because i said so. hrmjustin May 2015 #23
So you bought a religion wholesale and won't rethink? Yorktown May 2015 #24
Enjoy your night. hrmjustin May 2015 #25
Cheerio Yorktown May 2015 #26
Bye. hrmjustin May 2015 #27
You have phil89 May 2015 #56
Lol i don't have any obligation to tell anybody anything. hrmjustin May 2015 #57
But those websites he pastes from are so persuasive. rug May 2015 #28
lol. hrmjustin May 2015 #29
As persuasive as any 'established' religion Yorktown May 2015 #30
Yah, the internet websites are rock solid. rug May 2015 #32
Oh, and the recap about Moses or the RCC saints are not copy/pastes from websites. Yorktown May 2015 #31
How 'bout you name just two. rug May 2015 #33
DOB's range 1600BCE-1400BCE; You will argue about the current dominant rabbinical date, I suppose? Yorktown May 2015 #34
Facinating thread. They say that feelings of love & hate for the same person is not uncommon. jonno99 May 2015 #36
Disbelieving me makes you a heretic. Yorktown May 2015 #38
An eleborate play - complete with props, jonno99 May 2015 #39
Nah, joke aside, I really never believed. Yorktown May 2015 #40
Two thoughts: jonno99 May 2015 #53
Evolution speaks to the vast diversity of life, not the origin. AtheistCrusader May 2015 #80
Yes that is true. hrmjustin May 2015 #82
For starters, what do you mean by "created"? LTX May 2015 #106
A linguistic allowance to religionists Yorktown May 2015 #107
I see. So your question was, to put it bluntly, bullshit. LTX May 2015 #112
No. I was phrasing my question the way religions put it. Yorktown May 2015 #115
I'm in awe. LTX May 2015 #121
The FSM was first proposed in Kansas to deal with the religious nut cases and then caught on Gothmog May 2015 #35
True, that's how the Truth of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster was mentioned in modern times. Yorktown May 2015 #37
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2015 #41
Excellent questions which show your commitment to understand the one true faith. Yorktown May 2015 #42
That didn't go as you planned. hrmjustin May 2015 #44
You already posted a few times the outcome of your PM to the administrators. Yorktown May 2015 #47
Are you going to respond to skinner? hrmjustin May 2015 #48
Sure. Yorktown May 2015 #50
Post removed Post removed May 2015 #60
I find your need to insult me funny and sad. hrmjustin May 2015 #61
"He started it" truebrit71 May 2015 #62
Seriously! hrmjustin May 2015 #63
You are apparently... truebrit71 May 2015 #64
I am the one in kindergarten according to you. hrmjustin May 2015 #65
Um...need to brush up on your comprehension skills pal... truebrit71 May 2015 #66
oh? hrmjustin May 2015 #67
some people's schtick here is "are you calling me a ..." Warren Stupidity May 2015 #68
You think personal attacks are ok? hrmjustin May 2015 #69
Again with the comprehension issues... truebrit71 May 2015 #70
Again reading Reading is fundamental. hrmjustin May 2015 #71
Still stuck with comprehension issues I see... truebrit71 May 2015 #72
Lol but you said i was apparently and then used the crazy picture. hrmjustin May 2015 #74
reading is fundamental is an insult. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #73
Alert then. hrmjustin May 2015 #75
why? Warren Stupidity May 2015 #76
You seemed concerned i was insulting someone. hrmjustin May 2015 #77
You are the one constantly probing to see if somebody here could possibly be insulting you. Warren Stupidity May 2015 #78
Because i was. hrmjustin May 2015 #79
And a jury then said truebrit71 wasn't insulting you muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #81
Yes but he did put the crazy emoticon in that post. hrmjustin May 2015 #83
You think you were taking part in a sober, meaningful conversation? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #84
Was mr. blur at fault at all or was it all on me? hrmjustin May 2015 #85
Do you realise mr blur and truebrit71 are 2 different posters? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #86
This message was self-deleted by its author hrmjustin May 2015 #87
mr blur insulted me. A jury agreed. hrmjustin May 2015 #88
'At fault' for what? Your sudden turn-around from laughing to feeling insulted? muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #89
I was upset but i forgot to add that. Do you think mr. blur was right? hrmjustin May 2015 #90
Whether you have a sense of humour or not can be judged by your posts in this thread muriel_volestrangler May 2015 #91
It is clear you want to blame me for the faults of others. hrmjustin May 2015 #92
Well, that was unexpected. Act_of_Reparation May 2015 #93
You alerted on that? truebrit71 May 2015 #94
i let my crazyiness get the better of me apparently. hrmjustin May 2015 #95
Uh huh...I'm sure it is... truebrit71 May 2015 #96
No those hides that you were talking to me were never from me. hrmjustin May 2015 #97
Uh huh... truebrit71 May 2015 #98
Believe what you want. hrmjustin May 2015 #99
But wait....you started it.... truebrit71 May 2015 #100
R'Amen! underpants May 2015 #51
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2015 #52
Well said. nt F4lconF16 May 2015 #58
I'm a believer, but I admit there are a few holes in the faith... Arugula Latte May 2015 #101
This message was self-deleted by its author Freelancer May 2015 #102
New? Maybe for you, but Pastafarians have been around quite a long time. Panich52 May 2015 #157
'New' compared to the Bronze Age supertitions (religions) Yorktown May 2015 #158
read your response in ATA and you post in AA. hrmjustin May 2015 #159
10 signatures have been collected and a request in ATA has been logged :) (nt) LostOne4Ever May 2015 #160
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
2. Heretic! Do not try to create schisms among our Church.
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:51 AM
May 2015

I'm sure Mr. Mario Batali is a great guy, a great cook, maybe even a pastafarian.

But no way this book would qualify as a holy book. Italian food is NOT just pasta based.

In this book of 327 recipes, there might be salads. Or bread based dishes like bruschetta.

How would that glorify our Supreme Spaghetti? It would introduce spiritual confusion.

Please. focus, dear edhopper: PASTA. In pasta we trust. E pluribus pasti Unum. RAmen.


PS: Here is a simple way to pray at home:

edhopper

(32,964 posts)
3. Forgive me my trespasses
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:15 AM
May 2015

I in no way meant to say this is the holy book, that would be a sacrilege.
I was just posted it as a pic of his most holy high chef.

All hail the carbonara. May the maranara be with us.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
4. ego te absolvo a peccatis tuis, brother hopper,..
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:38 AM
May 2015

in nomine Pasta, et Fusilli, et Spiritus Chianti.

Response to Yorktown (Reply #2)

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
6. Pasta be upon you, brother Trotsky.
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

"God is an ever receding pocket of scientific ignorance." ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

cleanhippie

(19,705 posts)
7. FSM has been decreed by the Almighty and Powerful Internet Forum Hosting God as farce.
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:16 AM
May 2015

You really cannot argue with that. When He speaks, we must listen. When He decides, we must accept.

There is no other choice.

 

rug

(82,333 posts)
45. +1
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:52 AM
May 2015
Posting facetiously about actually believing in the Flying Spaghetti Monster could probably be taken as evidence that one in not interested in fostering greater understanding and tolerance.

It could also possibly be taken as evidence of trolling.
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
108. But you enforce whose opinion gets to discuss
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:36 PM
May 2015

Not to mention brush aside evidence Moses is a myth.

Who needs dialogue about faith?

Especially on a faith forum?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
109. And the owner told you it is my job to decide these things.
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:38 PM
May 2015

I think it best btw not to respond to his response to you.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
110. How so?
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:01 PM
May 2015

Are you saying he shares your opinions on religion and free speech?

Or did you suggest to him anything I say is a provocation?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
111. The was the site works is groups have hosts that run the room and they decide what goes on in the
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:04 PM
May 2015

room.

He leaves it up to the hosts.

I am one of 5 hosts in interfaith and we will not allow fsm stuff in the room.

I am the only host of the prayer circle and i will not allow it in there.

I gave you the reasons.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
113. I will answer the administrator because it's fun
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:27 PM
May 2015

Two remarks:

You seem extremely proud of your mod powers and to like to remind people about them.

You do not seem to be excessively interested in any kind of interfaith dialogue.
I gave you facts pertaining to your beliefs, i.e.
- the fact most saints you believe in have unsustainable saithood credentials
- the fact the literal Moses story is impossible and mostly mythical
You close this type of discussion by something like "it's what I believe in"

Why not from any participant?
From the mod in charge of facilitating debate on faith, it's more surprising.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
116. As for the rest of my posts, I'll keep you informed.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:35 PM
May 2015

I wouldn't want to appear taking your mod powers lightly.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
122. Maybe but i am also on mirt and that gets your post count up as well.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:43 PM
May 2015

i am alsials a forum host and host of the New York and Hillary Clinton room.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
127. Why don't you tell me who you think the Bible's Moses was?
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:54 PM
May 2015

Theology would be more on topic. If you care to discuss it.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
129. But you know verifiable facts make the literal Moses story impossible.
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:00 PM
May 2015

So it's not a matter of not needing proof.

Do you accept the fact you are voluntarily disregarding evidence?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
133. The literal Moses story is extremely improbable, based on facts.
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:17 PM
May 2015

2M people living in a country of 3M and leaving no trace is unlikely.
That people claiming names (Hebrews, Israel) not yet attested at the time is problematic.
A 2M people exodus over 40 years leaving no trace in a desert is unlikely.
A murderer living up to 120 years to lead them and get 10 dubious commandments is unlikely.

Add all these up, and the Bible Moses story is full of holes.

Do you accept you take on faith a story which is contradicted by evidence?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
135. The FSM is not contradicted by evidence, the Moses story is.
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:24 PM
May 2015

The FSM enjoys a higher probability of having existed than the Bible's Moses.


The Moses story can be proven wrong,

but you cannot prove the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster did not create the Big Bang.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
137. Faith is acceptable as long as there is no contrary evidence.
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:29 PM
May 2015

I can justify a belief in the Holy Spaghetti Monster. No way to prove it wrong.

You refuse to face the fact the Moses story is proven wrong.

I am merely highlighting you 'accept' on faith something demonstrably false.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
139. I am admirative
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:34 PM
May 2015

You oppose a solid wall of faith against evidence.

An interesting example of the power of 'belief'. Who cares about facts after all?

No wonder the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster is the martyr of your attitude.

Because you don't have faith in It.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
141. Which is why you ban it from interfaith dialogue
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:39 PM
May 2015

While Moses -whose story can be disproven- can happily strut there.

Because the Bronze Age monotheisms all mention and respect this fictitious character.

I am sure you would appreciate the irony if you were not so invested in that story.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
143. Don't hide behind someone else
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:49 PM
May 2015

That administrator said he had delegated mod powers to you (as you remind people regularly)
and that he won't override you. Which is the sensible attitude when you delegate power.

You PMd him your disapproval of letting the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster enter the interfaith realm before that administrator had written an answer, further restraining his options.

So the posish is thus:
- Moses, whose story can be disproven, but in which you have faith: OK in interfaith
- FSM, whose narrative is unfalsifiable, but in which you do not have faith: not OK in interfaith

At the end of the day, what is OK in interfaith seems to depend on what you have faith in.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
145. Moses, Adam and Eve make a mockery of spirituality
Wed May 27, 2015, 09:56 PM
May 2015

Same for the wholesale OT slaughters of Canaanites or of jewish tribes by muhamad.

But the peaceful Flying Spaghetti Monster is nefarious and divisive.

OK then.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
147. Does the fictitious Moses give you comfort?
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:02 PM
May 2015

Is it all about the comfort of faith?

And why do you find the unfalsifiable FSM more discomforting than a disproven Moses story?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
149. I'll save Jesus for another day. Moses today.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:14 PM
May 2015

You take Moses on faith. But 'his' story is debunked by facts.

Doesn't it bring you to question your faith?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
151. No, you don't, or you'd question Moses.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:22 PM
May 2015

You keep accepting on faith a Moses whose story is debunked by facts.

You apparently don't ask hard questions about your faith.

Is it ultimately about the comfort faith brings?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
153. I know what you told me: that you take Moses on faith
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:28 PM
May 2015

And I can observe you do not answer when the glaring impossibilities of the story are listed.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
154. That's how groups work. You're just going to have to enjoy your fun outside of the
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:30 PM
May 2015

Interfaith milieu. There's plenty of places to goof around with the FSM schtick without crapping on a quiet corner for serious conversations. There's a Humor group here if you aren't getting sufficient jollies in the Religion or Atheists groups.

You have no desire to "dialogue" about faith--your goal is disruption and that is quite obvious. For this reason, you are unlikely to be reinstated, no matter how much you roll on the floor, laughing--though, given the context, it looks more like crying.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
49. I could not possibly be taken as evidence of such.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:35 AM
May 2015

A troll would have plunged outright,

not displaying the suave urbanity I did by keeping everyone informed of my every move.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
16. Good. How did life appear on earth?
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:44 PM
May 2015

And if we agree on the Big Bang and a primeval soup (with or without input of a meteorite),

why are the two Genesis stories so idiotic?

Why would anyone 'divinely inspired' write them? Or wasn't he inspired on that topic?


(PS: I submit to you that the Flying Spaghetti Theory is much more compatible with Science)

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
18. What is the use of that allegory? Why two diverging ones? God inspired both?
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:48 PM
May 2015

And since both are wrong, why search meaning in a book full of demonstrable mistakes?

And gratuitous violence? And historical nonsense? Do you agree there was no Moses?

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
19. Questions, questions so many questions.
Tue May 26, 2015, 07:51 PM
May 2015


I believe there was a Moses and these are stories of the faith.

Why there are two Genesis stories i do not know.
 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
20. The Moses of the Bible is impossible
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:04 PM
May 2015

First, Jewish clerics place Moses circa 1400BCE. First mention of the name of Israel =1200BCE.
So, let's list the problems with Moses:

• No Jewish nation at the time
• Bible says 2M persons in exodus over 40 years: no trace
• No trace in Egypt of 2M 'Jewish' slaves at the time.

Better still, roughly at the purported time of 'Moses', Egypt was partly under the rule of semites.
(13th and 15th dynasties) These Hyknos semites are probably both partly the ancestors of the canaanites who later called themselves Hebrews and the basis for the Moses myth.

Meaningless genesis stories, invented Moses myth, violent injunction to kill and enslave,
when is the Old Testament a sound source of morality?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
22. Why do you believe in it when I show you debunking proof?
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:07 PM
May 2015

Why do you believe in a story so full of holes?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
24. So you bought a religion wholesale and won't rethink?
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015

Look at the risk you're taking: do you know Pasta's wager?

• Believe in The Flying Spaghetti Monster (at no cost), and heaven will be eternal beer.

• Do not believe in him, and it's an eternity of stale Bud Light.

 

phil89

(1,043 posts)
56. You have
Wed May 27, 2015, 11:32 AM
May 2015

an obligation under 1st Peter 3:15 to account for your beliefs. Do you even care the slightest if what you believe is true?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
30. As persuasive as any 'established' religion
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:22 PM
May 2015

btw, do YOU think the Moses of the Bible existed?

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
31. Oh, and the recap about Moses or the RCC saints are not copy/pastes from websites.
Tue May 26, 2015, 08:24 PM
May 2015

Just Google my texts, it won't match.

Just Yorktown™ ©texts.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
34. DOB's range 1600BCE-1400BCE; You will argue about the current dominant rabbinical date, I suppose?
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:15 PM
May 2015

Is there a textual snippet you won't jump in on?

The current rabbinical interpretation gives a later date.


But the Nevi'im itself gives an Exodus circa 1446 BCE
1 Kings 6:1 Solomon Builds the Temple
6 In the four hundred and eightieth[a] year after the Israelites came out of Egypt, in the fourth year of Solomon’s reign over Israel, in the month of Ziv, the second month, he began to build the temple of the Lord.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Kings%206:1

The Talmud only gives Moses's birthday if you can tell the year of the creation of the world (universe?):
Moses was born on Adar 7 (Talmud Megillah 13b) in the year 2377 after the creation of the world.

According to earlier rabbis, that gave an older Moses:
Jose ben Halafta ( רבי יוסי בן חלפתא ) placed Moses DOB's much earlier, as mentioned by Ussher
Ussher (gave) 1571 BCE as (Moses) birth year.

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
36. Facinating thread. They say that feelings of love & hate for the same person is not uncommon.
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:50 PM
May 2015

Maybe it is the same with belief & disbelief.

IOW - in this thread you've put an awful lot of effort into demonstrating your disbelief.

The "disbeliever" doth protest too much, methinks.

(IOW - I'm not sure I fully believe you... )

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
38. Disbelieving me makes you a heretic.
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:57 PM
May 2015

My Chuch of the Holy Spaghetti Monster is the only true one.

I am one of the holiest members of said Church.

Doubting me will probably mean eternal Hell for you: eternity of stale Albanian lager.

Think about it. You still can repent and amend your ways.



jonno99

(2,620 posts)
39. An eleborate play - complete with props,
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:08 PM
May 2015

for the purpose of proving your (supposed) disbelief. Why the need to demonstrate your disbelief? Only you can answer that.

Like I said, fascinating...

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
40. Nah, joke aside, I really never believed.
Tue May 26, 2015, 10:24 PM
May 2015

As for the 'need' to demonstrate disbelief, I have at least 3 reasons I can think of:

1- religion and politics are two subjects with a wide impact, and religion is currently the most dangerous of those two (during the Cold War, it was politics). So, shootings like Garland or Charlie Hebdo make me react.
2- Other than shootings, religion is creating harm on a day to day basis: not teaching evolution and the Big Bang in schools strikes me as obscurantism in our times.
3- here, I'm interested to see the reasons people give when faced with proof their beliefs are misplaced.
Ex: In this thread, hrmjustin said he believes the two conflicting genesis stories must have some allegorical value (which is unclear), he believes Moses must have existed despite all the evidence he probably did not and stated he believes in most the RCC saints but refuses to check my assertion most RCC saints don't make sense.

But you would be wrong to call me an atheist. My belief in the Flying Spaghetti Monster is genuine

jonno99

(2,620 posts)
53. Two thoughts:
Wed May 27, 2015, 11:13 AM
May 2015

1. A <> B
iow, Jihadists (of any persuasion) <> egalitarian-minded Hindus, Buddhists, Christians, or Muslims, etc.

2. I think you will find very few examples where Creationism is exclusively taught. IOW - there is no harm caused by exposing students to competing theories.

Ok, I'll respond to your 3rd:
3. "Curiosities" <> proof (or lack of proof).
iow - this side of the grave there is little to offer as "proof" of the Divine (or lack thereof - which of course is by Design ).

LTX

(1,020 posts)
106. For starters, what do you mean by "created"?
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:23 PM
May 2015

And as a follow up, please do tell. How was the Universe created (and why the capital "U"?) You seem to be in possession of some sort of certainty on the subject.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
107. A linguistic allowance to religionists
Wed May 27, 2015, 07:31 PM
May 2015

When talking to theists, the occasional use of their linguo is understandable, I suppose?

As for my 'certainties' on the origins -if any- of the Universe, you are imagining them.

Hawkings thinks there is a finite total quantity of space time, but that it is borderless.
Friedman countered saying no equation conclusively demonstrated time isn't infinite.
Yet most models, including that of multiverses, tend toward a finite time.

The science isn't settled, why should my opinions be?

LTX

(1,020 posts)
112. I see. So your question was, to put it bluntly, bullshit.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:17 PM
May 2015

To be more precise, condescending bullshit. Just so we're clear.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
115. No. I was phrasing my question the way religions put it.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:34 PM
May 2015

If you want to say I was pointing to glaring deficiencies of the 'revealed' monotheistic religions,
I can confirm that.

If you want to say my formulation was suggesting reservations about 'creation', it is probable.

Now, to call a doubter 'condescending' is highly amusing.
For millenia, religions have stated they 'knew'.
Then came a time when doubters couldn't be forcibly silenced.
Then came a time when their numbers grew.
Calling them 'condescending' is as good a way as any to find new ways to silence them.

btw, calling my way of formulating things 'bullshit' isn't very nice.
Believers with their precious itchy fweelings would have hit the 'report' button, I suppose.

LTX

(1,020 posts)
121. I'm in awe.
Wed May 27, 2015, 08:42 PM
May 2015

Your doubt is so new, and so edgy. It's difficult being out there on a bumper sticker, all by yourself.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
37. True, that's how the Truth of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster was mentioned in modern times.
Tue May 26, 2015, 09:52 PM
May 2015

But that's not when that Universal Truth was first discovered.

The pirates of the Carribean knew all about the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster centuries ago.

May pasta be upon you, brother Gothmog. And Chianti.



Response to Yorktown (Original post)

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
42. Excellent questions which show your commitment to understand the one true faith.
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:56 AM
May 2015

Most Pastafarians hold that individual liberties is one of the greatest gifts of the Holy Flying Spaghetti Monster (fresh peccorino be upon it) to mankind.

Therefore, the choice of beer is left to the individual tastes of believers.

Of course, a believer who would advocate Bud Light as a beer of choice would run the risk of being viewed as harboring a lukewarm faith. But, at the opposite end of the spectrum, believers advocating super high alcohol content beers (those at 40ºalc ABV) would be viewed as verging on pastafarian fundamentalism.

But any tasty, middle of the road fresh cold beer would be welcomed by the religious assembly.

Ales, Stouts, Lagers, Fruit beers, we welcome diversity.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
47. You already posted a few times the outcome of your PM to the administrators.
Wed May 27, 2015, 10:33 AM
May 2015

Besides, you attribute to me a 'plan'?

Paranoid much?

Response to hrmjustin (Reply #48)

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
65. I am the one in kindergarten according to you.
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:02 PM
May 2015

Go on and keep insulting me but it only makes you look bad.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
66. Um...need to brush up on your comprehension skills pal...
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:04 PM
May 2015

No-one was insulting you, least of all me, I was making an observation.

If I were to insult you Justin there would be NO room for debate.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
68. some people's schtick here is "are you calling me a ..."
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:06 PM
May 2015

I have no idea what that is about other than hoping for a jury result.

 

truebrit71

(20,805 posts)
72. Still stuck with comprehension issues I see...
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:36 PM
May 2015

That is an emoticon, to convey a feeling or opinion, it is NOT an insult no matter how badly you want to to be Justin....



 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
74. Lol but you said i was apparently and then used the crazy picture.
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:39 PM
May 2015

It says specifically it is the crazy emoticon.

muriel_volestrangler

(100,968 posts)
81. And a jury then said truebrit71 wasn't insulting you
Wed May 27, 2015, 01:58 PM
May 2015
On Wed May 27, 2015, 06:08 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

You are apparently...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1218&pid=201090

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

They continue to make this personal. There is no need for this.

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Wed May 27, 2015, 06:18 PM, and the Jury voted 2-5 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Can't really pick out one juvenile response from all available, let it stand.
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: I can't believe that someone thinks being call 'upset' is 'making it personal' and worth an alert. This may have been the biggest waste of time I've ever spent on a jury.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: This whole devolved down at the bottom. You guys just like to fight. Move on...
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Skinner already addressed this issue in the ATA forum.
Juror #6 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Post is unduly personal -- and sad to say not the worst from this author in this thread.
Juror #7 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Insulting, but no more so than lots of others.

muriel_volestrangler

(100,968 posts)
84. You think you were taking part in a sober, meaningful conversation?
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:19 PM
May 2015

You said "he started it", which is a cliche for a young child to say; and which at first you appeared to acknowledge with your laughing smiley. It was ridiculous for you to start behaving as if someone pointing that out was wrong, and it is crazy for you to think that pointing out your 180 degree turn in emotion is insulting.

muriel_volestrangler

(100,968 posts)
86. Do you realise mr blur and truebrit71 are 2 different posters?
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:32 PM
May 2015

You are entirely responsible for your 'he started it' joke, your laughing smiley, and then your sudden insistence that everyone takes your posts seriously. mr blur had nothing to do with that.

Did you alert on mr blur before or after you posted the laughing smiley?

Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #86)

muriel_volestrangler

(100,968 posts)
89. 'At fault' for what? Your sudden turn-around from laughing to feeling insulted?
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:46 PM
May 2015

truebrit71 isn't 'at fault' for anything. He didn't alert on himself. He's not responsible for your interpretation of the crazy emoticon as describing you, rather than your silly post of 'upset?'. That was your misinterpretation.

muriel_volestrangler

(100,968 posts)
91. Whether you have a sense of humour or not can be judged by your posts in this thread
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:49 PM
May 2015

though that only became clear after you got his post hidden.

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
92. It is clear you want to blame me for the faults of others.
Wed May 27, 2015, 02:52 PM
May 2015

You take care of yourself and get the last word and all if you need but as far as i am concerned they are t fault.


Good evening!

 

hrmjustin

(71,265 posts)
95. i let my crazyiness get the better of me apparently.
Wed May 27, 2015, 03:07 PM
May 2015

I think that was the first time i ever alerted on you.


Response to Yorktown (Original post)

 

Arugula Latte

(50,566 posts)
101. I'm a believer, but I admit there are a few holes in the faith...
Wed May 27, 2015, 03:34 PM
May 2015

because of the Hole-y Colander.

Ramen.

Response to Arugula Latte (Reply #101)

Panich52

(5,829 posts)
157. New? Maybe for you, but Pastafarians have been around quite a long time.
Wed May 27, 2015, 11:02 PM
May 2015

One source says it was started in 2005, but I swear I heard of it long before that.

May the strainer be with you.

 

Yorktown

(2,884 posts)
158. 'New' compared to the Bronze Age supertitions (religions)
Wed May 27, 2015, 11:18 PM
May 2015

Anyway, we pastafarians consider the pirates of the Carribean to have been the first believers.

So Pastafarianism is 'relatively' new: a few hundred years vs two millenia+.

May Pasta be upon you.

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