Religion
Related: About this forumPope Francis is wrong. Religion deserves ridicule.
Now, theres definitely an argument to be had that this mockery should be careful not to punch down or use the excuse of blasphemy to advance what are actually racist ideas. Thats why I personally prefer mocking Christianity to Islam, because Muslims are an oppressed minority in my country but Christians, particularly fundamentalist Christians, are a dominant and ofttimes domineering class. But that equation is different for different people and different audiencesa white America woman mocking Muslims and a Iranian woman doing it are very different critters indeed.
But the larger point stands: Because of the gulf between the preciousness with which people treat religious beliefs and their actual merits, I would argue that we need more mockery and more blasphemy. A lot of people out there are nursing doubts and want to extract themselves from the yoke of false belief. Seeing that you can not only reject religion but make fun of it without God striking you down with a lightening bolt is liberating for a lot of people. Religions amass power by bullying people in just the way that Pope Francis is doing, complete with threats of censorship and violence. We should stand up to these bullies. Making fun of them is an excellent way to do that.
In conclusion, fuck you, Pope Francis.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2015/01/pope-francis-is-wrong-religion-deserves-ridicule/
BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)He clearly meant if you insult someone's religious beliefs, don't be surprised if there is a violent reaction. He knows it is a hot button item. History proves that. What he was asking for is that people carefully consider the ramifications of certain religious attacks and use self restraint. He isn't calling for censorship.
whathehell
(29,067 posts)Francis is correct.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)BillZBubb
(10,650 posts)The Pope said people will react violently, not that it was justified. History is full of examples. To think otherwise is foolish.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)gcomeau
(5,764 posts)He didn't just say "people" will react violently. He used an example in which HE HIMSELF would be reacting violently as part of an exoneration not to insult certain beliefs or institutions or else "you can expect a punch".
I'm sorry, but when the freaking Pope gets up and publicly declares he would react violently to certain criticisms or provocations that's sending a message to all those people he's a rather important guidance-providing authority figure to that that's ok.
"If that's what the POPE would do then hey, it has to be alright? Or at least justifiable... right?"
He may have condemned outright killing in God's name, but in the process yes he damn well did provide moral cover to those resorting to violence.
backscatter712
(26,355 posts)As in "I'm opposed to violence, but..."
Fuck that shit. Francis is out of line.
AtheistCrusader
(33,982 posts)In no way did he discourage it. He had an opportunity to do so, and instead, he called it normal.
If he'd said unacceptable, but expected, or unacceptable but typical, I'd cut him a lot of slack. But he called it normal twice.
on point
(2,506 posts)Is this the boundary under discussion?
Religion, as nonsensical hold over from primitive ignorance, deserves all the mockery it can get
Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)trotsky
(49,533 posts)Fred Sanders
(23,946 posts)Warren Stupidity
(48,181 posts)Why is that?
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edhopper
(33,579 posts)I think in Roman times, that said some things that offended the local religious folk.
I think they killed him or something.
I guess Pope Frank would say that is normal.
He should have watched what he said.
rug
(82,333 posts)In conclusion, fuck you, Amanda Marcotte.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)rug
(82,333 posts)As effective as this: