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Htom Sirveaux

(1,242 posts)
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:22 PM Jan 2015

"Sharpening Contradictions: Why al-Qaeda attacked Satirists in Paris"

The problem for a terrorist group like al-Qaeda is that its recruitment pool is Muslims, but most Muslims are not interested in terrorism. Most Muslims are not even interested in politics, much less political Islam. France is a country of 66 million, of which about 5 million is of Muslim heritage. But in polling, only a third, less than 2 million, say that they are interested in religion. French Muslims may be the most secular Muslim-heritage population in the world (ex-Soviet ethnic Muslims often also have low rates of belief and observance). Many Muslim immigrants in the post-war period to France came as laborers and were not literate people, and their grandchildren are rather distant from Middle Eastern fundamentalism, pursuing urban cosmopolitan culture such as rap and rai. In Paris, where Muslims tend to be better educated and more religious, the vast majority reject violence and say they are loyal to France.

Al-Qaeda wants to mentally colonize French Muslims, but faces a wall of disinterest. But if it can get non-Muslim French to be beastly to ethnic Muslims on the grounds that they are Muslims, it can start creating a common political identity around grievance against discrimination.

(SNIP)

The only effective response to this manipulative strategy (as Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani tried to tell the Iraqi Shiites a decade ago) is to resist the impulse to blame an entire group for the actions of a few and to refuse to carry out identity-politics reprisals.

Sharpening Contradictions: Why al-Qaeda attacked Satirists in Paris


And backing up the idea Muslims (in this case, Muslim-Americans) aren't interested in terrorism, here's a FAIR blog post highlighting Gallup polling on attitudes towards violence against civilians across religion-related groups. Muslim-Americans turn out to be the most unwilling to condone violence against civilians, regardless of whether that violence has government sanction (even more unwilling than atheists/agnostics/"nones&quot .
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NYC_SKP

(68,644 posts)
1. "Muslim-Americans turn out to be... ...even more unwilling than atheists/agnostics/"nones"???
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 08:29 PM
Jan 2015

Recommended.

Fumesucker

(45,851 posts)
2. "Most Muslims aren't interested in religion" makes my head spin
Mon Jan 12, 2015, 09:57 PM
Jan 2015

A Muslim is a follower of Islam.

I was born and raised "Christian" but that's certainly not what I call myself today.

It's striking to me that we don't have another word for these people who are uninterested in religion other than the same word for those who are interested religion, Muslim-heritage is really awkward.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
3. Secular Jews
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 12:06 AM
Jan 2015

The problem was solved long ago for the Jewish community, you can be a Jew who is not religious.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
5. That quote does not appear in this article.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:41 PM
Jan 2015

What he says is this:

"most Muslims are not interested in terrorism"

"Most Muslims are not even interested in politics, much less political Islam."

"France is a country of 66 million, of which about 5 million is of Muslim heritage. But in polling, only a third, less than 2 million, say that they are interested in religion"

I agree that muslim heritage is awkward. This also comes up when one talks about Jewish people. Some identify only with the heritage and not with the religion.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
4. I think this is a very important article.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 01:38 PM
Jan 2015

He is not the only one making the case that what is happening here is an intentional destabilization of the muslim/french relationship for the purpose of creating more potential recruits.

If that point is missed, they will win.

Jim__

(14,083 posts)
7. If that is al-Qaeda's tactic, it will be very hard to beat.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 04:58 PM
Jan 2015

People react out of fear. Fear of foreigners who look and sound different is easy to create, especially when you have no scruples about killing innocent people. Non-radical Muslims and non-Muslim citizens will have to make a strong and sustained effort to defeat such a tactic in the face of outrageous acts of violence against innocent people, acts specifically designed to drive people apart.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
8. The responsibility for countering this is more in control of the
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:01 PM
Jan 2015

non-muslims, than the muslims, imo.

There will certainly be a strengthening of anti-islamic sentiment from the forces in France that are already pushing that.

It is the non-muslims that need to make the strong and sustained effort to defeat such a tactic, imo.

It is not a good time to be a muslim or even look like a muslim in france.

Jim__

(14,083 posts)
9. My understanding is that there was a large visible Muslim presence at the Paris gatherings after ...
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:10 PM
Jan 2015

... the Charlie Hebdo killings.

I think that type of public reaction, by Muslims, against the radicals, helps a lot.

cbayer

(146,218 posts)
10. I wasn't aware of that but I think it's wonderful.
Tue Jan 13, 2015, 05:16 PM
Jan 2015

I didn't mean to say that Muslims standing up against the radicals isn't important, only that we all share the responsibility.

Standing together will make the strongest statement.

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