Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:10 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
I had lunch with Richard Dawkins today.![]() Background: My atheist group, FLASH, hosted Dawkins, and toured the Everglades with him, a couple of years ago. (I couldn't make the 'glades trip. ![]() He was with us about two hours. Lunched and small talked for 45 minutes, and then started a discussion. He had no prepared remarks, but addressed the issue he termed "tokenism." That is, that fighting over slogans, mottoes, and pledges is a distraction. (And he also cited, and acknowledged the opposing views.) He feels the major issue is the notion that children automatically inherit the religion of their parents. As in "these are Jewish children," rather than "these are children of Jewish parents." He pointed out that we don't address republican children, or humanist children, or logical positivist children, so why only religious indoctrination? Our local group, and some allied groups, have been battling some installations of religious monuments around the state. One of the allied groups is the Satanic Church (an ironic name) and Dawkins expressed some curiosity. He wondered at the PR of calling themselves that, since they are atheists. He suggested we should be after religious tax exemption. And there was consensus on that. Basically, there were two main topics: questions on evolution and genetics, and on ways to improve atheist public relations. He also reiterated the notion that he can't be absolutely sure there is no creator -- just as he cannot be absolutely sure there are no unicorns and leprechauns. Bonus! The luncheon was held at a golf club that is literally around the corner from where I live. The food was good. Italian buffet. Weather 70F. and sunny. ![]() --imm
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immoderate | Dec 2014 | OP |
cbayer | Dec 2014 | #1 | |
immoderate | Dec 2014 | #2 | |
PassingFair | Dec 2014 | #11 | |
Warren Stupidity | Dec 2014 | #3 | |
edhopper | Dec 2014 | #4 | |
immoderate | Dec 2014 | #5 | |
rug | Dec 2014 | #6 | |
immoderate | Dec 2014 | #7 | |
rug | Dec 2014 | #8 | |
malokvale77 | Dec 2014 | #9 | |
bvf | Dec 2014 | #10 | |
edhopper | Dec 2014 | #12 | |
immoderate | Dec 2014 | #13 | |
edhopper | Dec 2014 | #14 | |
immoderate | Dec 2014 | #15 | |
edhopper | Dec 2014 | #16 |
Response to immoderate (Original post)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:21 PM
cbayer (146,218 posts)
1. How very cool for you.
Sounds like it was interesting. Glad you got to attend.
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Response to cbayer (Reply #1)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:33 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
2. Thanks. 'Cool' pretty much sums it up.
![]() --imm |
Response to immoderate (Reply #2)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 02:57 PM
PassingFair (22,434 posts)
11. Did he look like this?
![]() Cause that would be amusing. ![]() |
Response to immoderate (Original post)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 06:34 PM
Warren Stupidity (48,181 posts)
3. What? The [email protected]! didn't abuse all the women and roast a baby?
Obviously this was an imposter. Demand your money back.
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Response to immoderate (Original post)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:08 PM
edhopper (31,097 posts)
4. Great for you
I have heard him talk, I found him charming, funny, restrained and always clear and logical.
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Response to edhopper (Reply #4)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:22 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
5. My impressions are in line with yours.
Especially in such a sympathetic group.
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Response to immoderate (Original post)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 07:32 PM
rug (82,333 posts)
6. Can you elaborate?
"He . . . . addressed the issue he termed 'tokenism." That is, that fighting over slogans, mottoes, and pledges is a distraction."
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Response to rug (Reply #6)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 08:19 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
7. He meant things like, "In God We Trust," on money...
and "under God" in the pledge, as well as religiously inspired symbols in courts, and religious monuments on public ground. He doesn't believe that's the best target for social activity. They are the "tokens." He conceded though, that there are those who say that some will point to those aspects and claim it proves that this is a Christian country. And he said they could be right.
Again, he recommended we turn our actions toward the legacy, and tax issues. He made it clear that these were his opinions, and not necessarily right. --imm |
Response to immoderate (Original post)
Mon Dec 8, 2014, 11:24 PM
malokvale77 (4,879 posts)
9. I'm not normally a jealous person...
when it comes to others good fortune. But I am jealous of this.
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Response to immoderate (Original post)
Tue Dec 9, 2014, 02:06 AM
bvf (6,604 posts)
10. Good for you!
Sounds like a very enjoyable afternoon.
Put me down as jealous, too! |
Response to immoderate (Original post)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:05 PM
edhopper (31,097 posts)
12. I meant to ask
Did he eat live babies for lunch?
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Response to edhopper (Reply #12)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 03:37 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
13. He had to eat what we ate.
Did I mention that catering was provided by our local atheist group?
![]() --imm |
Response to immoderate (Reply #13)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:14 PM
edhopper (31,097 posts)
14. So the babies
Were cooked?
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Response to edhopper (Reply #14)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:46 PM
immoderate (20,885 posts)
15. Pickled.
Opinions differ on whether that qualifies as being "cooked."
![]() --imm |
Response to immoderate (Reply #15)
Sun Dec 14, 2014, 04:52 PM
edhopper (31,097 posts)
16. Mmmm
Sounds relish.
But seriously, great you had this opportunity. |