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Map That Should Be In School Books? (Original Post) KittyWampus Aug 2013 OP
Yes, indeed. NYC_SKP Aug 2013 #1
That is an interesting map. Jenoch Aug 2013 #2
Absolutely pscot Aug 2013 #3
Absolutely. madamesilverspurs Aug 2013 #4
it would be nice to see a map of Africa rurallib Aug 2013 #5
And the Palestianians as well. Rozlee Aug 2013 #39
Of course A Little Weird Aug 2013 #6
I like it! Martin Eden Aug 2013 #7
Similar maps were in a lot of my school books. mysuzuki2 Aug 2013 #8
I wonder why humans feel the need to be separate from each other? CarrieLynne Aug 2013 #9
It's a funny human trait Hydra Aug 2013 #11
it seems to be somehow wrapped up in language. KittyWampus Aug 2013 #15
I don't think this is division, separation, etc. DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #18
It was in my American History book. Tuesday Afternoon Aug 2013 #10
Wish that had been in my history book Hydra Aug 2013 #12
great map, but with the anti-actual facts cretins in charge of the textbook committees, this won't niyad Aug 2013 #13
Would be interesting to see a historical representation RVN VET Aug 2013 #14
Yes! Yes! Yes! ANOIS Aug 2013 #16
Very enlightening DissidentVoice Aug 2013 #17
These are language *families*, which may have several members each. eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #27
How did Apache get so lost from rest of Athabaskan? ErikJ Aug 2013 #19
The Navajos and the Apaches (both Athabaskan languages) dbackjon Aug 2013 #31
My father has a map Iliyah Aug 2013 #20
Do you have a link for this? jimlup Aug 2013 #21
It's off facebook but comported w/what I remembered from Anthropology days (one of my majors in U.) KittyWampus Aug 2013 #22
Googling "Native American Linguistic Groups" here's another map. I'd suggest doing similar search KittyWampus Aug 2013 #23
One more from an .edu website KittyWampus Aug 2013 #25
Excellent - thanks - these are very helpful /nt jimlup Aug 2013 #28
Be sure to attach a date to it ... those boundaries shifted plenty before whites immigrated. nt eppur_se_muova Aug 2013 #24
VERY good point! KittyWampus Aug 2013 #26
It came down to resources...... AnneD Aug 2013 #29
That was going to be my comment dbackjon Aug 2013 #32
It was in mine Fearless Aug 2013 #30
Big K&R defacto7 Aug 2013 #33
There is a Native American map that has been produced by Aaron Carapella.... xocet Aug 2013 #34
Thanks! good find ...nt dougolat Aug 2013 #38
It's incomplete, and some of the names are wrong. malthaussen Aug 2013 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Aug 2013 #36
how to reconcile this guilt with some other guilt GaribaldiB5 Aug 2013 #37
It's just an interesting, educational map. secondvariety Aug 2013 #40
This is a map of Linguistic Groups; greiner3 Aug 2013 #41
"Where today are the Pequot? Where are the Narragansett, the Mohican, the Pokanoket, tclambert Aug 2013 #42
absolutely !!!! unionthug777 Aug 2013 #43

rurallib

(62,400 posts)
5. it would be nice to see a map of Africa
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:41 PM
Aug 2013

before the Europeans started slicing it like a piece of meat also.

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
39. And the Palestianians as well.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 01:51 PM
Aug 2013

I get aggravated hearing people say there was never any country called Palestine. There was never a country call The United States of Native Americans either. Yet, it was taken from them.

A Little Weird

(1,754 posts)
6. Of course
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:44 PM
Aug 2013

Provided it's accurate (I don't know enough about the subject). I love maps and think they should be incorporated into school far more than they are.

Martin Eden

(12,858 posts)
7. I like it!
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 09:58 PM
Aug 2013

I've done a lot of hiking in Shawnee National Forest in southern Illinois, and I can see Shawnee on the map there!

mysuzuki2

(3,521 posts)
8. Similar maps were in a lot of my school books.
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:13 PM
Aug 2013

That may be due to the fact that my college degrees were in Anthropology though. I do agree that info on Native American history and cultures should be incorporated in elementary and secondary education too.

CarrieLynne

(497 posts)
9. I wonder why humans feel the need to be separate from each other?
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:32 PM
Aug 2013

even back then....any country really - why not recognize we could do so much better if we lived as one?

Hydra

(14,459 posts)
11. It's a funny human trait
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 10:59 PM
Aug 2013

We only get along in groups of a certain size. Also, if there aren't many of us, we work together pretty well. Too many of us or a life/death situation, and we start killing each other.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
18. I don't think this is division, separation, etc.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:16 AM
Aug 2013

I think this just shows dispersion based on native languages.

niyad

(113,165 posts)
13. great map, but with the anti-actual facts cretins in charge of the textbook committees, this won't
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:28 PM
Aug 2013

happen.

RVN VET

(492 posts)
14. Would be interesting to see a historical representation
Mon Aug 19, 2013, 11:53 PM
Aug 2013

showing the shift and drift of amerindian nations over time -- especially since, ahem, 1492.

It would also be interesting to see a population map. I've heard that there were significantly more amerindians in the Western Hemisphere than is popularly believed. Significantly more, that is, that suffered the blunt force of genocidal (mostly) white expansion and conquest.



ANOIS

(112 posts)
16. Yes! Yes! Yes!
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:11 AM
Aug 2013

I am a map person, also, & it brings whatever the subject is to life.

PLUS, geography is so much a part of history, & important that facts not be left out.

This is part of an important culture.

DissidentVoice

(813 posts)
17. Very enlightening
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:15 AM
Aug 2013

My maternal grandmother was one-quarter Cherokee, so I suppose I have some Native American blood along with my Swiss-German and Scots-Irish.

Back when I was in grade school, the injustices against the Native Americans were just starting to be made known.

Yes, this map should be in school books...but five'll get you ten it wouldn't make it into Texas' "patriotic American" curriculum.

One thing I'm curious about, though, is the term "Eskimo"...I've thought that the native peoples of the Canadian Arctic and Alaska prefer the term "Inuit."

eppur_se_muova

(36,256 posts)
27. These are language *families*, which may have several members each.
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:05 PM
Aug 2013
Today, the two main groups of Eskimos are the Inuit of northern Alaska, Canada and Greenland, and the Yupik of Central Alaska. The Yupik comprise speakers of four distinct Yupik languages that originated in western Alaska, in South Central Alaska along the Gulf of Alaska coast, and the Russian Far East.

The term Eskimo is still in common use, and particularly in Alaska to include both Yupik and Inupiat. No universal term other than Eskimo, inclusive of all Inuit and Yupik people, exists for the Inuit and Yupik peoples.[1] In Canada and Greenland, the term Eskimo has fallen out of favour, as it is sometimes considered pejorative and has been replaced by the term Inuit. The Canadian Constitution Act of 1982, sections 25[2] and 35[3] recognized the Inuit as a distinctive group of aboriginal peoples in Canada.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eskimo



Every time I read about the Eskimo/Inuit controversy, I get a slightly different understanding ... perhaps it is best to recognize the situation is in flux. Last I heard the Alaskan group had decided the "Eskimo" referred to themselves specifically, and not to other Inuit. YMMV, apparently.

Apple recognizes "Inukituk" as the term for the language of the Inuit:



I thought the term "Sioux" was also considered pejorative, but can't find corroboration in a quick search.
 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
31. The Navajos and the Apaches (both Athabaskan languages)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:04 PM
Aug 2013

Migrated south over the centuries. The rest of the Athabaskans stayed in the north. When the Hopis settled their Mesas, there were no Navajos in the area.


jimlup

(7,968 posts)
21. Do you have a link for this?
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 12:30 AM
Aug 2013

I will use it in my Big History class. We spend a unit on Native American culture and the great dying.

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
22. It's off facebook but comported w/what I remembered from Anthropology days (one of my majors in U.)
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:51 AM
Aug 2013
 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
23. Googling "Native American Linguistic Groups" here's another map. I'd suggest doing similar search
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 11:54 AM
Aug 2013

and tracking down a source from a University, for example.


AnneD

(15,774 posts)
29. It came down to resources......
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 02:09 PM
Aug 2013

especially food and water. Prime hunting grounds were fiercely protected. Columbus didn't have much trouble when he came to the islands, but the Vikings, British, French and Spanish encountered more difficulty. The boundary lines among the tribes had stabilized some what after years of fighting-thus the Indians were prepared to some degree.

 

dbackjon

(6,578 posts)
32. That was going to be my comment
Tue Aug 20, 2013, 07:05 PM
Aug 2013

Boundaries were very fluid. Some tribes were more nomadic than others.

malthaussen

(17,183 posts)
35. It's incomplete, and some of the names are wrong.
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 09:42 AM
Aug 2013

It's a bit of an interesting question whether the names of Indian nations should be in "white-boy speak" or their own tongue, eh?

-- Mal

Response to KittyWampus (Original post)

GaribaldiB5

(5 posts)
37. how to reconcile this guilt with some other guilt
Wed Aug 21, 2013, 12:34 PM
Aug 2013

I know we're already supposed to feel guilty about snatching away portions of the southwest from Mexico. So where is this supposed to fit into that guilt scheme? And are Latinos exempt from needing to feel guilt altogether? (I'm never sure if it's cool to pick on the decendents of the strangely less well know Spainish Empire.) Do they just get to leave the classroom while the white kids get beaten up by the teacher? There are still lots of questions that need to get answered before anyone can hope to start flinging this stuff into kid's faces.

 

greiner3

(5,214 posts)
41. This is a map of Linguistic Groups;
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 12:13 AM
Aug 2013

I read that there were up to 500 'nations' in the Americas when Columbus first set foot 'over here'.

We humans aren't very nice people, are we?

tclambert

(11,085 posts)
42. "Where today are the Pequot? Where are the Narragansett, the Mohican, the Pokanoket,
Thu Aug 22, 2013, 07:42 AM
Aug 2013

and many other once powerful tribes of our people? They have vanished before the avarice and the oppression of the White Man, as snow before a summer sun."--Chief Tecumseh, 1811

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