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Related: About this forumIs Thinking Black Leaders are Sell-Outs the Ultimate White Privilege?
http://alabamaliberal.com/is-thinking-black-leaders-are-sell-outs-the-ultimate-white-privilege/Weve seen this in white progressives (cough, Bernie, cough) belief that they could somehow be better for black rights than the first Democratically elected racial minority-President in the history of the world. Weve seen it in the accusations that the Congressional Black Caucus and particularly veteran Congressman and Civil Rights legend John Lewis are sell-outs for backing Hillary. Weve also seen it at an Occupy Wall Street rally in Atlanta that refused to let Congressman Lewis speak solely because, you know, hes The Man.
There are those that will say this is the ultimate form of progress that a Civil Rights legend could go from Selma to Sell-Out and that the black movement is viewed as a full part of the mainstream, but Im not sure I would see it that way. To me, the idea that any black leaders who have power and real political influence are just another cog in The Establishment is naively wrong at best. At worst, its morphing modern progressivism to ignore the voices it supposedly wants to help and think it knows best how to solve other communities problems with solutions that may not have any real affect on how they live.
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1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)John Lewis deserves the upmost respect especially if you call yourself a liberal.
I'm not saying you in particular, I can't come up with better phrasing. Sorry.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)Only a black person can go there...in conversations that we have amongst ourselves.
I will link to something that happened at DK...
http://www.dailykos.com/comments/1488849/59793489#comment_59793489
my response:
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/02/23/1490018/-Quick-Hit-70-recs
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)It's the hipster racism and "mantle of oppression" type posts that get my goat.
rbrnmw
(7,160 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)virgogal
(10,178 posts)Obama wasn't the first democratically elected racial minority in the "history of the world".
There may be others but Alberto Fujimori of Peru was a minority who became president.
The "history of the world" is a very long time so who knows?
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)were elected in the 19th century.
virgogal
(10,178 posts)NWCorona
(8,541 posts)Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)wildeyed
(11,243 posts)and entitlement, IMO. Is it the "ultimate" white privilege. Hmmm, there are so many to choose from Also, for the record, I don't think many of them are nearly as progressive as they think they are.
I had some interesting conversations with both white and black activist I know about privilege and how to be a solid ally around the time Ferguson was happening. It is an interesting and complex topic. One thing we agreed about, as white allies, was that sometimes it demanded the ability to sit quietly and feel uncomfortable. You can be infuriated by injustice and totally committed to the cause, but your white body is never on the line the way black bodies are. And you still get to have the white privilege, even when you work to end it. People sometimes distrust your white presence at first. But you care about justice, so you sit quietly and feel uncomfortable for a bit, until people get to know you. Talking less and respecting more is alway good place to start. So yeah, calling out black leaders, not cool.
I dunno. Maybe Clinton is just more willing to sit with the uncomfortableness of it all. There IS no real answer that I see, not at this point. The only thing I see to do sometimes is to keep working at relationships.
I think this is a great topic, and I want to post more in about detail about it after the primary is past. It is about so much more than a campaign, but I think no matter what is said right now, the campaigns will shade the topic.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I hesitated posting it because it goes on more in the context of the present election, and I think that limits the subject for some who will shut down on partisan lines.
But we've seen this going on with discussions of President Obama too.
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Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)In certain circumstances the homeless white guy does.
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Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)I'm looking forward to that topic later, too, because being comfortable for so many of them is what they crave right now.
Thanks!
brer cat
(24,561 posts)Thanks for bringing it here, Starry Messenger.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Recursion
(56,582 posts)emulatorloo
(44,119 posts)ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)He loves this group
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Along with his cousin Point Missed.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)Isn't that interesting? Called me "Melissa". I think I'm supposed to be scared. Since, I've let a few people know what it is, it's not to bothersome, but interesting, don't you think?
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)That's creepy af to me. People who do that do not have healthy boundaries.
ismnotwasm
(41,976 posts)And under MOST circumstances
A wealthy, black congressman would have more privilege. So what exactly is your point, Melissa? Other than proving what a ridiculous, bullshit concept "privilege" is, I mean.
So a cab won't stop (allegedly) for John Lewis in DC . Boo fucking hoo. I wish I had his "problems". He only had his own race to blame for that anyway. Even black cab drivers admit they won't take other blacks, and there's a reason for that that has nothing to do with "white privilege".
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)I'd say that guy has a whole list of problems, but being oppressed by John Lewis is not one of them (as if). I wonder who name removed is? Hopefully MIRT will do an IP check.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)ismnotwasm, but I'm so sorry to see again a throw-back moron still thinks fear is a good tactic to use to feel better about himself. The lowest disgusting denominator when one has nothing else.
wildeyed
(11,243 posts)when I get a reply from named removed and never got to actually read it. Named removed seems to be a big fan of my work these days
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)just need to shut our pie holes. This is one such area. I couldn't believe the dog piling that happened here because John Lewis endorsed HRC. It was disgusting.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)It's an excellent find showing that we and our allies are invested in stopping the brutal narratives written about us. The beauty part is that we win by constantly dragging the process to the point and not crazy beliefs.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)There's a lot of crap to wade through in the process, there's a lot of privilege that won't go down without at fight, but you can't stop progress, as they say.
Kind of Blue
(8,709 posts)I started following another young hard-hitting blogger. It was a thing of beauty: focused, confident, and take-no-prisoners eloquence. Bravo!