African American
Related: About this forumNOT Even A F*cking Clue!
= White Politician Bringing up Welfare only while courting the AA Vote
= Classic case of blatant obnoxious Pandering
= Amazingly Clueless approach
As stated in a thread which prompted me to write this one.....
I'm kinda of extra pissed right now, so please excuse me!
Here's why:
today's Sanders is pointing the finger at Bill Clinton in reference to 1994 Welfare reform...
without any context to that time period or anything else!
A time when our economy was booming, and it was called "Welfare to Work"....not "taking Welfare away right now"!
adding further injury, that Bill and Hillary are just so totally interchangeable, they might as well just do a merger,
right f*cking NOW!
It's like Sanders think if he promises us "Free stuff"....
we are supposed to like him better,
because Bill Clinton, that very bad man, took away our "Free stuff"/welfare away from us....
So how could we possibly "like" his wife??
THE REALITY is so many more White people took advantage of Welfare,
that it ain't even funny,
but somehow, the word "Welfare" is never mentioned when Sanders deals with those other
groups in the Democratic party, just the AA community
but only when he's attempting to gain the Black vote!
And so Sanders simply perpetuates the insulting and dangerous stereotype
that is still with us today, to try to gain some votes?
As written in this piece that anyone can read when asking context as to why
a majority of AAs give face palm to Bernie Sanders, especially older Americans
who seen it all play out before like one continuous loop!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/118739074
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)What he said about this does him a great deal of damage and evidently he doesn't realize it.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)Bernie is drawing distinctions between himself and the Clintons...especially as it pertains to African Americans. The cut to welfare and it other social programs along with the de-industrialization of our country due to globalization and free trade deals (i.e. NAFTA) have contributed greatly to African Americans falking deeper into poverty. Both of those are Clinton legacies...
And the Clinton's are interchangeable and the had a merger when they got married...
leftofcool
(19,460 posts)hoosierlib
(710 posts)Spazito
(50,453 posts)take you fingers off your keyboard and start reading threads posted by AA members about issues and concerns they have and ways in which those issues and concerns can be addressed. Were you to do that, you would learn a great deal as I have and would realize how wrong you are.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)That's called being "informed" these days!
Spazito
(50,453 posts)actually know, it might cause introspection and that isn't acceptable it seems.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)"All are welcome as long as they bring empathy and positive intent to the group. We experience America differently back here. Our regular subscribers are people who care and who are respectful of our experiences."
Take it back to GDP please. Another post in here and you will be blocked.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)1. More Black people were on Welfare than Whites, which isn't true.
2. So you don't think that Black people were poorer as a whole compared to the rest of the population before and after Clinton.
You think it was only due to "the" Clinton (singular).
2. Women don't have their own identities, if they are married. Meaning that a wife will vote just like her husband,
cause hell, she is her husband!
Anything else?....
hoosierlib
(710 posts)1) I never claimed that. However if you're counting pure numbers of people, then yes, there are more white people on social welfare programs than African Americans. In 2013 there were 9.1 million whites on SNAP and only 5.9M African Americans. A better measure is look at the percentage of the population. Using that metric, roughly 5% (9.1 million white participants / 198 million total population) of the white population uses SNAP benefits, while 11% (5.9 million white participants / 53 million total population) of African Americans. So yeah, their rate is higher due to more of the African American population living poverty.
2) All races have gotten poorer since the Clinton's presidency...poverty rates have been increasing the end of Clinton's presidency
3) What decade are you living?
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)That Black Folks should now be pissed that Clinton took away "our" welfare?
Even though all indications point that one of the largest reduction in AA poverty
occurred under "THE" Clinton presidency. Really?
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)About politics and economics. And not just anywhere on DU. No, you did that in a group that was specifically designed for African Americans/Black people and other Persons of Color to share their experiences and views, and for whites who wish to increase their level of knowledge, understanding, and appreciation of the experiences of African-Americans/PoC.
You could at least have done what you have done here in GD: P, where that kind of thing will get you lots of recs and attaboys these days. But please, for the sake of this community...don't do it here.
imaginary girl
(863 posts)But your own chart shows poverty rates going down during the Clinton years. It goes up after GWB takes office.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)Did you read your own chart?
Number23
(24,544 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)the more some post, the more they betray an inch deep understanding of the topic they seek to provide lecture.
pkdu
(3,977 posts)a. A word-salad Palin would be proud of
b. Deflection of the highest order ( not in any way addressing wht pissed off the OP) and ..
c. Likely to cause you to get your ass handed to you when FrenchieCat gets back online
hoosierlib
(710 posts)sarcasm...
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)sarcasm...
And this one:
29. Jesus H Christ...again Clinton's policies disproportinally affected the AA community...
What the fuck don't you get about that?
Both posted after warning. Thank you.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Oh well, there will always be another one!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Hopefully others will read it before swanning in.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)thank you for blocking him. I get so tired of people coming in this group trying to disrespect us with their hate for the Clintons. It makes me feel like I'm being lectured by a superior being.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Have a good day, CR.
randys1
(16,286 posts)Whitesplainig, lecturing, and real angry that the POC may not vote the way they want.
But other than your blocking them here, their posts will never be hidden, mine will.
radical noodle
(8,013 posts)How many white Hoosiers are on various welfare type programs? The food stamp capital of the US is white. No one... repeat... NO ONE should be singling out African Americans for this discussion. It perpetuates the myth that welfare is a "black" thing and they're all just sitting around waiting for their checks from the government so they can go buy drugs and cadillacs. That's the Welfare Queen picture the right wing has painted for decades.
The fact is that Sanders and his campaign are tone deaf.
hoosierlib
(710 posts)What the fuck don't you get about that?
Digital Puppy
(496 posts)lovemydog
(11,833 posts)MADem
(135,425 posts)Number23
(24,544 posts)Damn right.
Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)that was a great block and I'm glad that guy is gone. If you can't respect black people who have a different life path than you don't come in here and post
randys1
(16,286 posts)DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)Hindsight is better than foresight and all groups supported welfare reform and criminal justice reform. It is an affront to black folk to suggest they are more sympathetic to criminals or individuals that game the welfare system than any other folk.
YoungDemCA
(5,714 posts)Seems like some white liberals have internalized those stereotypes, even when they think that they are helping Black people.
In my experience, the vast majority of Black people - men and women, working-class and middle-class, rich and poor, educated and less educated - do not fit those crude, racist stereotypes, and certainly resent the small minority of Black individuals who are criminals or cheats.
Which reminds me: there are plenty of white people who even I, as a white person, want nothing to do with, yet none of us whites are ever judged in racial terms by the actions of criminals or assholes in general. Black people and other PoC, on the other hand...
Gothmog
(145,554 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)has done for PoC?
*Welfare Deform was a HUGE disaster for the Black Community.
*"Free Trade" cost all of us Working folks MILLIONS of jobs, but especially hurt those in the lower SES, as "step down" workers started competing for lower paying jobs.
*Mass Incarcerations disproportionately targeting Black People.
*Private Prisons that are PAID to keep the beds full...also disproportionately populated by Black People (Hillary takes campaign contributions from them)
* Draconian Drug Laws (again targeting the Black Community) and mandatory sentencing.
So help me understand.
What has either Clinton ever done for PoC to earn their support?
On the issues of welfare reform and criminal justice, President Clinton and Democrats have a habit of only presenting only half of the facts in order to spin "success stories". Late last year President Clinton claimed that welfare reform had been a success because the welfare rolls had been decreased dramatically and because former welfare recipients had "found jobs". If success in welfare means a wholesale dropping of people out of the program, than by all measures welfare reform has been a success as numerous people have been cut from public assistance.
http://www.blackelectorate.com/articles.asp?ID=320
JI7
(89,264 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)THE RISE AND FALL OF URBAN
POVERTY IN THE U.S. 1970 TO 2010
http://class.povertylectures.com/UrbanPoverty2013.pdf
mcar
(42,372 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)in 2000, the charts would have had a different trajectory than they did!
That's part of the problem, we get someone in who does good,
folks cry about it anyways,
and we end up taking a bunch of steps back.....
The Clinton presidency pulled people out of poverty...
and then in comes George W. Bush....
But hey I know! ...let's blame THE Clinton for every thing, when we aren't too busy blaming Obama instead!
mcar
(42,372 posts)I know what they and the Republicans did in this state.
bvar22
(39,909 posts)Over 1 MILLION Black People were imprisoned under the Clinton Administration (That is 4X the previous rate.)
Prisoners are NOT counted as unemployed.
Why don't you go back and factor the MILLION into your "unemployment" stats,
and then come back with the truth.
If you don't want them showing up on the unemployment numbers, Throw them in jail!!!
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)So don't change the subject!
FiveGoodMen
(20,018 posts)Why single out welfare?
The question is whether AAs should trust Hillary and what we can learn from the Clinton's history.
The charts that you've presented do seem to indicate that the Bill Clinton years were a time of improving economic circumstances for black people in America. (Of course those years were an economic boon to just about everyone)
However, others here have pointed to policies that disproportionately locked black people in prison (among other problems). That's certainly a serious matter and not something to skirt around with talk about changing the subject.
Beyond that, Hillary's recent history and current ties indicate that she'll only help the rich. Presumably, that includes rich African Americans...but the rest of us (any color) will not benefit.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)bvar22
(39,909 posts)especially since the last 5 years were "Recovery" years.
Would you like to see how the well connected did during those years?
They sure weren't "sharing" with Americans who Work for a Living,
and that includes PoC.
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)To say things look pretty flat!
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Last edited Thu Feb 25, 2016, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)
And you have been asked politely before to not come back in here, so this is really a courtesy post to you. www.democraticunderground.com/118721760#post137
"All are welcome as long as they bring empathy and positive intent to the group. We experience America differently back here. Our regular subscribers are people who care and who are respectful of our experiences."
Take it back to GDP please. Another post in here and you will be blocked.
Posted this, after being asked to not post in here again:
especially since the last 5 years were "Recovery" years.
Would you like to see how the well connected did during those years?
They sure weren't "sharing" with Americans who Work for a Living,
and that includes PoC.
Blocked.
Tarheel_Dem
(31,240 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Hmm, what a surprise.
Liberal_Stalwart71
(20,450 posts)Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)They just keep going and going and going....
FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)and didn't stimulate Sh*t to create jobs! Perhaps Gore would have done it differently,
but we'll never know cause Susan Tylenol Sarandon and her Naderite friends voted Nader!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)FrenchieCat
(68,867 posts)giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Coolest Ranger
(2,034 posts)when non people of color can't answer what their candidate and I won't name drop because I don't want to risk a hide but when they can't tell me what their candidate will do for POC like myself, instead they deflect and dodge and go back to the economic BS which I'm not interested in. It's so damn frustrating to be ignored and treated like a seven year old.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)and even in the economic BS, they can't tell anyone HOW it will get done, beyond ... Political Revolution!!!
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)after having it pointed out 15 times?
giftedgirl77
(4,713 posts)Clueless was the only thing I could come up with that would provide me with the lowest chance of a hide.
randys1
(16,286 posts)know who will put on YOU if Bernie doesnt win the nomination?
I am serious.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,711 posts)mhatrw
(10,786 posts)welfare for mothers with children to raise?
Because that's exactly what Clinton's "welfare reform" accomplished. It supplied fast food chains and retail chains such as McDonalds and Walmart with millions of mothers forced to take jobs at the lowest possible wage.
JustAnotherGen
(31,886 posts)Support Donald Trump? Are they thinking he's going to give each one a McDonald's or a Wal-Mart store?
MADem
(135,425 posts)They look at him like one of those characters, only on the world stage! They want him to put Putin in a head lock and slam him to the mat, then hit him with a folding chair!
They love spectacle, and it's just not real to them.