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NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:27 AM Feb 2016

The Creepy Cull of DU's Black Voices

This has got to fucking stop.

It has become patently obvious over the last year that Democratic Underground's African-American members are under attack. Some are Clinton supporters, some are O'Malley supporters, and some are Sanders supporters, but they are all being targeted by people who are uncomfortable hearing their voices, even in supposedly progressive circles.

Bravenak has been alert stalked, called a "race nagger", talked down to, insulted, and threatened offline.

1StrongBlackMan has been alert stalked, insulted, punished for daring to call out a blatantly racist troll, called a "self-absorbed nigger", and told to "go back to Africa."

ChitownKev has been alert stalked and silenced for having the audacity to confront insulting behavior from his fellow Sanders supporters.

Many others have been intimidated and silenced, and driven away from DU.

African-American Clinton supporters have had their support explained by "stupidity", "not doing their research", or the psychological damage of "Stockholm Syndrome."

The same African-American Clinton supporters have also been labeled "house niggers."

Members who have carried out a number of these attacks are still posting. This intolerance, aggression, and unconscionable bigotry has no place here.

Skinner,

FIX

THIS

NOW

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The Creepy Cull of DU's Black Voices (Original Post) NuclearDem Feb 2016 OP
This skinner person... MrWendel Feb 2016 #1
He has responded ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #34
So... MrWendel Feb 2016 #41
Basically. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #44
He... MrWendel Feb 2016 #48
I wouldn't say "useless" ... He DOES provide the forum. eom. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #49
Which to him... MrWendel Feb 2016 #50
If that is his actual response . . . brush Feb 2016 #53
I'll let you judge for ourself ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #55
So you and DSB are the problem and not the tone and climate of this place Number23 Feb 2016 #61
Well ... ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #68
As has been the case for a long time. Someone removing anothers blinders can be dangerous. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #82
Sad this needs to be said dlwickham Feb 2016 #2
There was a time when... TreasonousBastard Feb 2016 #3
DU3. Hissyspit Feb 2016 #5
Yes ... "Community standards" ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #35
I got sanctioned for calling myself a "Knee-Grow". Of course it was in sarcasm and jest to make a Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #71
It is not a term that a white person like me can use, but I understand how a POC can use it LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #83
I have seen it too. Over and over lovemydog Feb 2016 #4
damn right it shouldn't. nt retrowire Feb 2016 #13
And the "whackadoodles" favorite retort: "it's a public board!!11" Number23 Feb 2016 #62
No coincidence at all. bettyellen Feb 2016 #69
It's interesting that some of these same so-called Sanders fanatics are the ones pointing to HRC Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #72
Already reced sheshe2 Feb 2016 #6
K&R betsuni Feb 2016 #7
Did you know there are a few frequent flyer trolls who repeatedly sign up and get banned? uppityperson Feb 2016 #8
Hmm...I hear ya, but with all due respect... Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #10
Sounds like the stuff you overhear at a mall food court. Spitfire of ATJ Feb 2016 #14
I've been around DU a long time radical noodle Feb 2016 #15
uppity is right about the "new" ones JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #16
Yup, it was the same one, still blasting through many times every day. uppityperson Feb 2016 #45
And ya'll do have to worry about "uppity" white folks like me also. LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #84
I agree, it's the long-termers who I find most harmful. betsuni Feb 2016 #17
+ a million! eom BlueMTexpat Feb 2016 #30
Even some long terms who should fucking know better have lost their damned minds lately Number23 Feb 2016 #60
Spare the rod, spoil the child. betsuni Feb 2016 #65
Have they lost their minds? Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #79
Heh. I once went to a redneck bar DEEEEP in Georgia. Savannah was the closest big city Number23 Feb 2016 #104
I'm on my new tablet JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #92
The long-timers are the ones actually doing the most; they are protected by their friends. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #74
i know exactly what you are talking about, and this has been going on for a few years now JI7 Feb 2016 #21
Well said... Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #32
And to that, I will add ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #36
The board needs two admins and 8 or so moderators. I dont know the totals here randys1 Feb 2016 #38
I'm sure that Stockholm Willie and his followers still have very high probabilities of serving... Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #39
That depends on what you consider "very High". LOL. 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #46
LOL, I'll give it the broadest interpretation lovemydog Feb 2016 #76
LOL. eom 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #86
When I was a "Star" Member but didn't post that much, I was near 100% chance of serving... Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #75
I know and agree there are too many long term duers making this place suck. uppityperson Feb 2016 #43
Many of us know exactly who you're talking about . . . brush Feb 2016 #54
You nailed it. Absolutely nailed it. Number23 Feb 2016 #64
Stockholm syndrome was from a Dr Hobbitstein Feb 2016 #25
+1 betsuni Feb 2016 #27
"Race nagger" and "house niggers" were from long-time DUers as well. NuclearDem Feb 2016 #28
And all of the people referenced are simply LOVED by the 85% ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #37
The House Niggers Lass has thrown tantrums and left before. She'll be back Number23 Feb 2016 #63
For a good time JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #93
That jackass site has some truly hilarious stuff on it. I haven't looked on there for a few weeks Number23 Feb 2016 #103
^^^ THIS ^^^ Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #85
These aren't trolls. Many of these people making racist statements are long-time DUers. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #73
The louder you talk, the more we complain, the more activity there is and the higher the randys1 Feb 2016 #77
Great question. One that I cannot answer. I told you that I planned to send him an email, but I've Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #78
Agreed for the most part. Sanders people are among the rudest in my view. n/t Stand and Fight Feb 2016 #9
I'm a Sanders supporter retrowire Feb 2016 #12
I don't know about that JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #18
The majority of them are horrible, and they refuse to listen to posts explaining it stevenleser Feb 2016 #22
A bully is gonna do what a bully is gonna do./nt DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #24
A virtual bully is going to do what a bully is gonna do ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #47
All this back and forth is making me sad... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #51
who the fuck is actually stooping that low?? retrowire Feb 2016 #11
We must all stand together against bullies. DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #19
It takes a fellow O'Malley supporter to just brass tack this! JustAnotherGen Feb 2016 #20
Kicking brer cat Feb 2016 #23
The only fix for this and several other problems is getting rid of the juries. Renew Deal Feb 2016 #26
I told that to Skinner recently, see here for his reply steve2470 Feb 2016 #113
K&R mcar Feb 2016 #29
totally agree and I raised this issue last year, see this old thread..... steve2470 Feb 2016 #31
and wtf is up with people using the term "race baiting"? Quayblue Feb 2016 #33
"Race baiter" is the calling card for privileged, racist fuckwits the entire world over Number23 Feb 2016 #66
heh... not surprising at all. smdh nt Quayblue Feb 2016 #110
To me, it's not just DU because it's a reflection Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #40
Must assume the influx of Bernie folks is making DU lots of money, but I dont randys1 Feb 2016 #42
Yeah, I found out how much money Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #52
"even when that crime level goes down, we AAs hold steady at receiving 47-48 percent of the hate" Number23 Feb 2016 #67
Welcome to our reality is all I can say. Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #99
Have you seen mercuryblues Feb 2016 #56
Ha! Remove the targets and decrease revenue. Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #57
While I desperately want Bernie to win, or very much do, I am curious what would randys1 Feb 2016 #58
I think the crazy ones, though they know Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #59
Hmmm ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #88
Yes, All of the Above! Kind of Blue Feb 2016 #100
He doesn't care. I won't be sending him any emails. He simply doesn't care at all. Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #70
FIX THIS NOW...It's his board and this is how he wants it comradebillyboy Feb 2016 #80
Data crunchers will use the fights and discussion outbursts here to indicate would well it LiberalArkie Feb 2016 #81
Let's face it. There's not going to be "a fix". We're not DU's target demo, and therefore, not.... Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #87
I'm seriously considering not renewing my star in April steve2470 Feb 2016 #89
The ads really suck. I've never had the problem with Windows having to constantly recover my DU page Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #90
#DesktopUsersProblems NuclearDem Feb 2016 #95
Yup. It's on both my home & work desktops that I have problems. Tarheel_Dem Feb 2016 #96
Here is something to ponder... DemocratSinceBirth Feb 2016 #91
You mean like ... 1StrongBlackMan Feb 2016 #94
Exactly. I concur. Starry Messenger Feb 2016 #97
I agree! nt steve2470 Feb 2016 #98
Agree. (nt) betsuni Feb 2016 #101
Yep. nt Bobbie Jo Feb 2016 #108
I'm enduring the current DU because I believe that we can't allow the bullies to chase us off. NBachers Feb 2016 #102
I lend my voice and support! boston bean Feb 2016 #105
There are so many things I could say in retort to these assholes. boston bean Feb 2016 #106
I appreciate your post, BB, but.... Digital Puppy Feb 2016 #107
I hear you and agree. But admin can recognize boston bean Feb 2016 #111
K&R ismnotwasm Feb 2016 #109
It's shameful Arazi Feb 2016 #112
 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
34. He has responded ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:55 PM
Feb 2016

There is no problem and any problems that do occur are brought on by our conduct. eom.

brush

(53,764 posts)
53. If that is his actual response . . .
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:25 PM
Feb 2016

That's horrible. That's condoning the stalking and N word usage.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
55. I'll let you judge for ourself ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:36 PM
Feb 2016
Here's what it looks like to me.

A newbie troll showed up in the middle of the night and posted something horrifically racist. A jury was called immediately and voted 7-0 in two minutes to hide the post, which removed the post and immediately banned the troll. That result is way better than what would have happened under the old moderator system, in which midnight alerts would routinely sit overnight waiting for a moderator to show up in the morning.

As for 1StrongBlackMan, he decided to repost the troll's racist post, but the jury thought that it was inappropriate to re-post racist posts that have already been removed.

Nonetheless, if the goal of 1StrongBlackMan was to save the post "for posterity" to inform the members of DU that some newbie troll posted something really racist, then he succeeded. Because that newbie troll's racist post was subsequently recommended all the way up to the top of the Greatest Page.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/12599607#post1

Number23

(24,544 posts)
61. So you and DSB are the problem and not the tone and climate of this place
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:01 PM
Feb 2016

Because drawing attention to the issue "got it rec'd to the top of the Greatest Page" you deserve to have that BS hide on your record? Drawing ATTENTION to the fucking issue is worse than the issue itself??

Although some folks have made it embarrassingly and moronically clear that because they were mistreated, called "tokens" and "nigger" and decided to kept quiet about it that everyone else should too, it's clear to everyone with half a brain that they don't have a damn clue. I say people should keep talking about this shit. Keep making posts about it. Keep talking about it. Maybe DU will somehow manage to get an even worse reputation than it has now.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
68. Well ... ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:35 PM
Feb 2016
Drawing ATTENTION to the fucking issue is worse than the issue itself??


That has been said before ... At least there's a certain consistency in application, in a "close your eyes and the train won't hit you" kind of way.

Although some folks have made it embarrassingly and moronically clear that because they were mistreated, called "tokens" and "nigger" and decided to kept quiet about it that everyone else should too,


Perhaps, if they had protested when their "friends" called them "tokens" and "n!@@3rs", their "friends" wouldn't feel entitled/safe in calling ME one. And, their consistent defense of their "friends", sure as hell is giving their "friends" reason to think affirming that conduct is unacceptable.

I pretty done with the hide nonsense; but, only because I know it won't be but a minute before I will have, yet, another example of a random, isolated, completely unencouraged, troll-like racist post, for my wide-eyed, innocent, allies to be shocked about ... before they vote to hide my exposing post.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
82. As has been the case for a long time. Someone removing anothers blinders can be dangerous.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:25 PM
Feb 2016

A lot of people prefer being in the lalalalala land knowing nothing is wrong, all is right in the world.

TreasonousBastard

(43,049 posts)
3. There was a time when...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:54 AM
Feb 2016

saying "house nigger" meant an immediate ban. The other insults might take a minute or two longer.

What happened?

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
35. Yes ... "Community standards" ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:58 PM
Feb 2016

because the "community" has such a stellar reputation for fairness, equity, and respect for "minority groups.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
83. It is not a term that a white person like me can use, but I understand how a POC can use it
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:28 PM
Feb 2016

and I would never consider a POC using it to be wrong or out of place.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
4. I have seen it too. Over and over
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:59 AM
Feb 2016

and over for the past year or so. Every time some of these dear friends post, there's whackadoodles trying to harass them. I'm sick of it. I will not stop posting. But it's very distressing.

This must end.

DU should not be a hostile environment for black people!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
62. And the "whackadoodles" favorite retort: "it's a public board!!11"
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:05 PM
Feb 2016

So in other words, "I have the right to harass the living daylights out of you EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE ASKED ME TO STOP because it's a public board. Your rights to not feel bullied and my right to not make a spectacular ass out of myself on a regular basis are immaterial."

The calling card of sexist, racist trolls all over the fucking Internet. And I'm sure that it is a coincidence of the HIGHEST order that the vast majority of the "whackadoodles" on DU just as everywhere else on the Internet, are white guys.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
72. It's interesting that some of these same so-called Sanders fanatics are the ones pointing to HRC
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:51 PM
Feb 2016

fanatics charging THEM of supporting racist Hillary and Bill Clinton. But they are not considering their own racist behavior. eom

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
8. Did you know there are a few frequent flyer trolls who repeatedly sign up and get banned?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:12 AM
Feb 2016

The quotes you give are from them. Please alert on their posts if you spot one before mirt bans then. Mirt bans them as soon as they are spotted, but also have lives so a nasty post of 2 sometimes slip in to sit for a bit. A few of these frequent flyers have signed up a thousand different types times. They after obsessed and I imagine address having a good laugh at the uproar they just caused.

The best thing to do is not engage, but alert or send a pm to a MIRT member if you can see one active on DU.

I am not talking about long time duers, but the jerks that boat in using extremely bigoted language, get the boot, and sign up again. Like the one 1sbm copy/pasted/got jury hidden.

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
10. Hmm...I hear ya, but with all due respect...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:10 AM
Feb 2016

The ones I have the most issues with are the ones who quote/rec/kick the grand pu bahs of DU Land who "explain" how I might have 'Stockholm Syndrome' or I don't really know what I am saying when I talk about race or social justice. Oh, sorry...the tactic is: "I'll just leave this right here....DISCUSS!!" or "I'm just asking the question!"

These 'long-standing' DU'ers dismiss me because my post count is less than 20k or say I don't understand because I'm wired a certain way and just need to come to my senses. These veteran DU'ers insist that if I only got a higher paying job, my life would be much better and the racism and social injustice that I see everyday would magically disappear.

When I beg, demand, plead for them to hear and absorb the words - with multiple examples - I put forward, they tell me I'm combative and don't want to listen to their gospel. Of course if they feel too uncomfortable they hit the alert button and send in their equally ignorant (malicious?) DU cronies serving as a jury of their own peers to mute one of the few diverse voices around.

These aren't the short-time "jerks" who are responding, these are "long time DUers" who know exactly what they are doing....

Let's not kid ourselves, this behavior is accepted and modeled after. I think we would do ourselves a favor and acknowledge that this part of DU culture is not going to change.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
16. uppity is right about the "new" ones
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:02 AM
Feb 2016

I did two terms on MIRT last year - yikes!

The one that group SOP alerted on you a few days ago - I'm pretty sure is one from my term.

The people who really need to become "aware" are the ones who agreed with the blatantly racist individual in a thread in GD.

They are getting clowned by tricksters.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
45. Yup, it was the same one, still blasting through many times every day.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:03 PM
Feb 2016

And yes, the longer term duers are concerning.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
84. And ya'll do have to worry about "uppity" white folks like me also.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:32 PM
Feb 2016

I was raised around more blacks and gays than the straight white folks.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
17. I agree, it's the long-termers who I find most harmful.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:03 AM
Feb 2016

Conservative Cavers make no bones about posting here, but even they think what DU has become is "pathetic," that if "85% of a message board is bullies and only 15% are non-bullies, well, the non-bullies get creamed."

Number23

(24,544 posts)
60. Even some long terms who should fucking know better have lost their damned minds lately
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:56 PM
Feb 2016

And I'm pretty sure every one in this forum knows exactly who/what I'm talking about.

betsuni

(25,456 posts)
65. Spare the rod, spoil the child.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:12 PM
Feb 2016

They see they can get away with pretty much anything and become more and more obnoxious.

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
79. Have they lost their minds?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:17 PM
Feb 2016

Or are they just comfortable showing their true colors now, like that drunk guy in the bar?

I've got great friends who are 'red necks' and I love them to death, but I'm not going to a honky-tonk bar with them because when their friends get drunk, they look at me like OJ/Obama/al qaeda/'accidental victim'.

Maybe that is a lesson I should apply here. When the street lights come on, it's time to go home...

Number23

(24,544 posts)
104. Heh. I once went to a redneck bar DEEEEP in Georgia. Savannah was the closest big city
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:53 AM
Feb 2016

for miles. I was the only little brown thing up in there. Big old tabacco chewing, motorcylce driving dudes and the women who love them were the clientèle.

By the time I'd left, my older white female friend who I'd gone with said that half the men in that bar had come up to her asking who I was and if I was "really black" because I was the "prettiest thing there." That tells you I was in redneck town, where the folks are racist as shit even when they are COMPLIMENTING you.

Maybe that is a lesson I should apply here. When the street lights come on, it's time to go home...

I've been doing that more and more lately. Spending less and less time here and when I am here spending easily 80% of my time in this forum only. It has been so good for my spirit.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
92. I'm on my new tablet
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:38 PM
Feb 2016

Smaller screen. Knew this was you without scrolling right!



There are some damn fools running amok!

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
74. The long-timers are the ones actually doing the most; they are protected by their friends.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:57 PM
Feb 2016

In 2008, I was dismayed by the sheer numbers of racist DUers, many who were HRC supporters against Barack Obama.

When he beat HRC, there were remnants of hate and resentment that carried over.

I felt that I had lost some companions because you find out who your "friends" are. You find out what people really believe.

This Sanders fiasco has really opened my eyes to that. I have been shocked by those saying racist, nasty things because I thought they were cool.

Bobbie Jo

(14,341 posts)
32. Well said...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:47 AM
Feb 2016

Like I said in another post just the other day, I've never seen a bigger group of completely dismissive people in my life.

You're absolutely right, the one hit wonders are NOT the problem here.

Thank you for this post.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
36. And to that, I will add ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:09 PM
Feb 2016
Chance of serving on Juries: 0% (explain)

2000 or more total posts: +
200 or more days of membership: +
20 or more posts in the last 90 days: +
a Star member: +
# posts hidden in 90 days:
TOTAL:


What does that say about the jury pool?

You are the Mathematician, so correct me if I'm incorrect ... the jury pools are likely, fairly "Long-standing" and fairly active DUers. No?

randys1

(16,286 posts)
38. The board needs two admins and 8 or so moderators. I dont know the totals here
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:14 PM
Feb 2016

but based on my experience moderating boards, I think this would do it.

No true liberal who points out racism, for instance, would EVER be silenced on a liberal message board.

Yet almost all of my hides come from exactly that, absurd.

Jury is a cute idea, and would work if this was a fishing or hunting or car racing board, in that it would be easy to decide who was posting to be part of the community and who was just trying to cause shit.

But on a board like this you cant do that, you have to have LIBERALS moderating LIBERALS and everybody else, otherwise you will end up with rightwing garbage.

lovemydog

(11,833 posts)
76. LOL, I'll give it the broadest interpretation
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:03 PM
Feb 2016

which may include drunk, stoned or all around freaked out.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
75. When I was a "Star" Member but didn't post that much, I was near 100% chance of serving...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:01 PM
Feb 2016

Now I'm no longer a Star Member, but I'm posting much, much more. Guess what? I'm now at a 20% change of serving on a jury.

I stop contributing to DU when it was clear that nothing was going to be done about the undemocratic and racist elements on the forum. I guess that took me down.

Then, when I was banned for 3 months for standing up against racism, that took me down.

The only thing I can do to deal with this stuff is to permanently trash GD-P and GD forums and block/trash "key words" that get me riled up.

My only sanity is being here with you guys and the BOG folks. Other than that, DU serves no purpose.

uppityperson

(115,677 posts)
43. I know and agree there are too many long term duers making this place suck.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:01 PM
Feb 2016

Don't let the frequent flyer one get you hides. Alert and they'll soon be gone. And back again. Etc.

As to the long term DUers? Some are jerks and that is wrong.

brush

(53,764 posts)
54. Many of us know exactly who you're talking about . . .
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:31 PM
Feb 2016

The "Stockholm Syndrome", and "I'll just leave this here" guy.

 

NuclearDem

(16,184 posts)
28. "Race nagger" and "house niggers" were from long-time DUers as well.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 10:14 AM
Feb 2016

The former is still around, the latter threw a tantrum some months back and left.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
37. And all of the people referenced are simply LOVED by the 85% ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:13 PM
Feb 2016

so DigitalPuppy is correct ... things ain't gonna change ... organically. It will take an intervention.

But that would mean the DU TB must perceive a problem ... well, a problem beyond people telling them there is a problem.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
63. The House Niggers Lass has thrown tantrums and left before. She'll be back
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:11 PM
Feb 2016

And it was astonishing to see the people here that decided to join that jackpine site BECAUSE of her, even after geek tragedy put her on full blast for the crap she'd been saying.

Coincidentally, this also the exact same crew that screams so loud about the Clinton site and jackass radicals making their endless braying as fucking hypocritical as it is hilarious*.

* I am not a member of either site. Had to put that out there because the Screaming Crew are like the Demented Santa Clauses here with their list checking which they don't just check twice. More like 53 times every single day.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
93. For a good time
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:48 PM
Feb 2016

When folks make me want to tap out? I go read that jackass site. That's how I'm going to get through the primary season.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
103. That jackass site has some truly hilarious stuff on it. I haven't looked on there for a few weeks
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:41 AM
Feb 2016

but last time I read it I had tears streaming down my face.

Some of that shit on there is good. DAMN good.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
73. These aren't trolls. Many of these people making racist statements are long-time DUers.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:53 PM
Feb 2016

They are protected because they belong to the larger group and are shielded by others who protect them and allow them to say anything they want.

Skinner doesn't care, either.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
77. The louder you talk, the more we complain, the more activity there is and the higher the
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:06 PM
Feb 2016

profits are here.

I admire what this site is meant to be and have no problem with them making money, hell, wish I had done it first.

But at what point do you have to risk profit to remain true to oneself.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
78. Great question. One that I cannot answer. I told you that I planned to send him an email, but I've
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:12 PM
Feb 2016

since changed my mind after reading what others have not achieved by doing the same.

retrowire

(10,345 posts)
12. I'm a Sanders supporter
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:16 AM
Feb 2016

And I hope that I myself have not offended you. my fellow supporters I cannot speak for.

if I have offended you, I apologize.

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
18. I don't know about that
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:04 AM
Feb 2016

It was a Clinton supporter who came into the O'Malley group and crapped on a nice joyous post in a big way.

That was the only time I remember someone being nasty to our upbeat little group.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
22. The majority of them are horrible, and they refuse to listen to posts explaining it
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:20 AM
Feb 2016

Preferring to alert and try to hide them instead of listening and doing some self introspection and thinking, "gee, am I and far too many of us like that". Answer, yes, yes you are. Not all, but far too many.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
47. A virtual bully is going to do what a bully is gonna do ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

real life bullies risk real life reactions to their bullying, and therefore are far more judicious in their conduct.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
51. All this back and forth is making me sad...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:11 PM
Feb 2016

I live in a big city, meet all kinds of different people, white, black, brown, Asian, from all economic classes, and we treat each other with respect.

I would expect as much here...


But it is what it is...

Before I post I ask myself if it's worth it because I know I am going to be personally attacked, and for better or worse, I will respond in kind.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
19. We must all stand together against bullies.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:09 AM
Feb 2016

Every time we see a poster being verbally abused it is incumbent upon on us to come to his or her aid, just as if we saw another person being physically abused.


Bullies suck!

JustAnotherGen

(31,798 posts)
20. It takes a fellow O'Malley supporter to just brass tack this!
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:13 AM
Feb 2016


I've had people try to 'electioneer' to me back here and I'm not having it. I just let them post their four paragraph pleas then tell them, "nope! Still not voting in the primary in June!"

I refuse to align myself with acrimony towards liberals and progressives regardless of where it comes from.

I also refuse to be made into a political football. Everyone was welcome in Martin's tent and he allowed vetting and disagreement and responded to it with sitting down and having a conversation to understand. I don't think he would understand pot shots at voters who want the same things but disagree about how we get there.

brer cat

(24,555 posts)
23. Kicking
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:58 AM
Feb 2016

for awareness and truth. Those who rec the racist threads are just as guilty...they are bullies.

Thanks for the OP, NuclearDem.

Renew Deal

(81,852 posts)
26. The only fix for this and several other problems is getting rid of the juries.
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 09:57 AM
Feb 2016

It makes DU a rigged game.

Quayblue

(1,045 posts)
33. and wtf is up with people using the term "race baiting"?
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 12:19 PM
Feb 2016

A thoroughly online newspaper RW comment section meme that has slithered its ugly ass right into DU.

K&R!!

Number23

(24,544 posts)
66. "Race baiter" is the calling card for privileged, racist fuckwits the entire world over
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:14 PM
Feb 2016

It's a shame that term has slithered it's way onto DU but judging by the quality of many posters here, I don't think it's all that surprising.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
40. To me, it's not just DU because it's a reflection
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:52 PM
Feb 2016

of the country itself. Whereas many Western countries recognize the right to freedom of expression, they draw the line at hate speech and slurs. Even South Africa is way ahead of us in that regard. And even Holocaust deniers can't express their ridiculous beliefs in some countries.Also a reflection in that once again, no one wants to receive the same treatment as AAs but those in charge and the masses don't give a damn, and come up with excuse after excuse to blame the one targeted for causing the hate.

Interesting that FBI statistics on hate crime show year after year, even when that crime level goes down, we AAs hold steady at receiving 47-48 percent of the hate.

It's distressing but not surprising, Skinner et al are not part of the solution. Can't escape self-perpetuating supremacy when so-called allies are part of the problem keeping racial tension escalated.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
42. Must assume the influx of Bernie folks is making DU lots of money, but I dont
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 01:55 PM
Feb 2016

know what kind of money a site like this creates anyway.

I dont care one iota that the board is swamped with one side or the other, the problem is liberals expressing liberal viewpoints should not have to constantly worry about losing their board privileges on a board called Democratic Underground.

Randi Rhodes is coming back to radio via the internet, hopefully she will create a board for that and I will be able to relax again.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
52. Yeah, I found out how much money
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 02:12 PM
Feb 2016

this site does generate, especially with the influx of Bernie folks who are lunatics, and I agree with you on everything else.

But AAs' "should not have to constantly worry" on DU is just a pattern of the system at large. We know it's not only about money because people have been complaining for years and the admins turn a deaf ear.

Thanks for the Rhodes info. I can't believe that I forgot about her.

Number23

(24,544 posts)
67. "even when that crime level goes down, we AAs hold steady at receiving 47-48 percent of the hate"
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 05:16 PM
Feb 2016

That is a fabulous point. Whether the economy is booming or busting, whether crime is up or down black folks always catch it. ALWAYS. Which should clue most folks in that money is not the real issue.

And considering I already know that if/when Bernie gets creamed that black folks will be blamed, we need to get ready. Prop 8 was just the warm up.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
99. Welcome to our reality is all I can say.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:18 AM
Feb 2016

Through unimaginable freaking violence and verbal abuse, we're still here bucking even harder. Lord, Prop. 8, what a nightmare! Ready ourselves for the bullies, whether Sanders loses or wins, 'cause we know it's coming.

mercuryblues

(14,530 posts)
56. Have you seen
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:14 PM
Feb 2016

the feminists groups lately? Pretty quiet. Now the bigots and racists get to focus on another group until they silence them. Believe me when I say there will come a point in time when members of this group decide it is no longer worth it to post here.

Skinner is showing the exact same level of support for each group.

randys1

(16,286 posts)
58. While I desperately want Bernie to win, or very much do, I am curious what would
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 03:29 PM
Feb 2016

happen around here if Hillary wins.

Will many Bernie supporters just leave, being unwilling to post positive support?

I do worry about them in the election, that they will pull a Nader.

Kind of Blue

(8,709 posts)
59. I think the crazy ones, though they know
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 04:02 PM
Feb 2016

that posters in this group support all candidates, will lash out at the group. The last one I remember was in the fall when some Democrat lost in Kentucky and blamed us for that. My first experience was Prop. 8 here in California when we were viciously blamed when it didn't pass. So I have no doubt that they have their target in place if Sanders loses. Or even if he doesn't lose because rioting and vandalism are acceptable forms of celebration for rowdy white people.

By the way, I don't put Gore's loss totally on Nader's head when there were other factors, including the glaring one of tossing out AA votes or not allowing us to vote at all.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
88. Hmmm ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:37 PM
Feb 2016
So I have no doubt that they have their target in place if Sanders loses. Or even if he doesn't lose because rioting and vandalism are acceptable forms of celebration for rowdy white people.


That made me think ... What will produce the most unseemly conduct, the blaming with a loss; or, the "see I knew we didn't need you" (and the acting on that sentiment) with a win.

Either way ... Lace up your boots and bring your lunch, dinner and a pillow, cuz it's gonna be all day.

LiberalArkie

(15,708 posts)
81. Data crunchers will use the fights and discussion outbursts here to indicate would well it
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 06:22 PM
Feb 2016

will succeed and the ramifications of using such tactics in the real world. We are all just one large focus group that people interject certain ideas just to see what will happen.

I have Bravenak's back as much as I can.

The same with 1StrongBlackMan.

I don't know ChitownKev.

But I will NEVER vote to hide them. They have every right to say what they want and some times I want to reach through the screen and grab Bravenak and well, but she is Bravenak. I like her the way she is.

I am a strong Bernie supporter and nothing will change that. But they have every right to give their opinions (right or wrong) as I do.

I have my own reasons for support, some are stupid and childish, but hey, that is where my morals were formed. I was in my late teens when I found out I was supposed to hate the "n" people, but it was illogical so it never stuck. I never could wrap my head around not liking people because of how they looked or talked.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
87. Let's face it. There's not going to be "a fix". We're not DU's target demo, and therefore, not....
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Feb 2016

valuable/profitable. It's much the same in M$M. I understand this from a business standpoint, but from a moral standpoint, I find it incredibly disheartening. I didn't renew my star this time. That may change once the very divisive primary is over, but to see John Lewis characterized as a "race hustler", coupled with the handful of black DU'ers chased around this board, stalked, harassed & baited....just breaks my heart. How the hell does one support that?

I just read another post where DU's traffic was down something like 20%, and that doesn't surprise me at all, because a huge chunk of us have gone missing for various reasons, and many of those reasons have been laid out in this thread. It makes me sad.

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
89. I'm seriously considering not renewing my star in April
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:39 PM
Feb 2016

Yea, I hate ads, but I'd rather see this chronic problem fixed permanently. I hate seeing you and the other AA posters harassed with "under the radar" racism and sometimes not so under the radar stuff.

Tarheel_Dem

(31,232 posts)
90. The ads really suck. I've never had the problem with Windows having to constantly recover my DU page
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 07:45 PM
Feb 2016

I've had to adjust. It may be the ads, and it may not, but it's happening on every device I use to access DU.

Much to my surprise, I learned that Skinner has an Ignore list just like the rest of us. I asked a couple of questions in ATA, months ago, and to this day, neither of them have been answered. I guess I'm on his list? I'm not sure how one "administers" a board like this, if you're ignoring members?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
91. Here is something to ponder...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 08:57 PM
Feb 2016

A lot of the low post trolls aren't newbies;they are likely socks of current posters.

The administrator can check IPs. The more sophisticated ones are using proxy servers for their socks.

It is unlikely the newbies would know the small p politics of this board.

 

1StrongBlackMan

(31,849 posts)
94. You mean like ...
Thu Feb 18, 2016, 11:09 PM
Feb 2016
It is unlikely the newbies would know the small p politics of this board.


Signing up and knowing Bravenak is a Black woman?

I went back through her posts for a couple days before the offending post and could not find a single post where she identified, or anyone identified her, as Black.

Curious development.

NBachers

(17,098 posts)
102. I'm enduring the current DU because I believe that we can't allow the bullies to chase us off.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:24 AM
Feb 2016

It's getting more and more difficult to put up with the abuse, bullying, and ridicule that has become so bad here.

The place is getting Trumpified.

I feel a lot more at home with the Black or feminist population here than I do around *other* "enthusiasts." I hope we can continue to make our voices heard. And I hope the abusive members don't shut these populations down, or chase us away.

Yeah, some of the people I've enjoyed reading over the years have become "non-people" to me now. I'm quite disappointed.

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
106. There are so many things I could say in retort to these assholes.
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 07:10 AM
Feb 2016

But guess what, the majority mob rule atmosphere here on DU, what is called a jury... would alert and hide.

This is probably one of the most unfair out comes of this "jury" system. I prefer to call it mob rule.

Someone calls you a racist slur... you get the hide for putting into context why you are so angry with the person for saying that, and want it on the record why you said what you said. You get punished.

And the excuse it's a troll... I do not believe these hit and runs are just some troll who happened upon DU. Their knowledge of history of posters and posting is a tell..... who just may be smart enough to create a sock and feel quite comfortable in doing so...

What would help is possibly some bannings of the ones who aren't making blatant racist slurs, but racist comments none the less....

Digital Puppy

(496 posts)
107. I appreciate your post, BB, but....
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 01:32 PM
Feb 2016

I'm not expecting anything from the site's admin nor its veterans membership. You can look at some of the larger threads in the AA Forum and see the general attitude, disposition and lack of respect that DUers have and it make me personally not want to engage with them at all. These are the people who make up the jury pool...

What would help is possibly some bannings of the ones who aren't making blatant racist slurs, but racist comments none the less....

Agreed, but they (DUers and juries) don't acknowledge that these comments and attitudes are racist to begin with. They don't even see a need to change (or learn, or listen!) Remember, it's *our* fault for not accepting their truth and explanations fast enough.

I guess I'm not as optimistic as you...hopefully, I can get to that point though.

boston bean

(36,220 posts)
111. I hear you and agree. But admin can recognize
Fri Feb 19, 2016, 02:16 PM
Feb 2016

The failures in the system and issue with racist posts. At least I hope they can. Or maybe they see no issue at all. Depressing.

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