NRA Airing Anti-Obama Ads In Battleground States

[SecularMotion]

NEW YORK -- The National Rifle Association is airing a new television ad in four battleground states urging voters to defeat President Barack Obama.

The pro-gun-rights group is spending $1.3 million to air the ad in Florida, Ohio, Virginia and Wisconsin. A spokesman said the group will be on the air with ads through election day November 6.

The NRA ad suggests Obama is "attacking our Second Amendment rights" and says a vote against the Democrat would help "defend freedom."

The group has endorsed Republican Mitt Romney, even though Romney signed a ban on assault weapons as Massachusetts governor

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/10/08/nra-ad-campaign_n_1948409.html

[Missycim]

1. Well if the Democrats had taken the

gun control plank out of the platform, none of this would have happen. I hate to be the one to break this too you but the NRA is a pro gun organization and I really doubt they would give aid to someone who is against the 2nd.

[rfranklin]

2. sorry Missy but they are a right wingers who make up crap to scare their members...

The NRA is circulating printed material and running TV ads making unsubstantiated claims that Obama plans to ban use of firearms for home defense, ban possession and manufacture of handguns, close 90 percent of gun shops and ban hunting ammunition.

Much of what the NRA passes off as Obama's "10 Point Plan to 'Change' the Second Amendment" is actually contrary to what he has said throughout his campaign: that he "respects the constitutional rights of Americans to bear arms" and "will protect the rights of hunters and other law-abiding Americans to purchase, own, transport, and use guns."

http://factcheck.org/2008/09/nra-targets-obama/

[Missycim]

3. That was from 08

lets keep it to this election please.

Well the DNC opens itself up to this kind of crap, if they would take out gun control out of their platform it would essentially defang the NRA.

[rfranklin]

6. Here's a fresher one...but still stinks like week old fish...

You just can't please some people.

In the eyes of National Rifle Association (NRA) executive vice president Wayne LaPierre, President Barack Obama's decision not to pursue gun control legislation is a "massive conspiracy," and just another reason not to give him a second term.

"[The Obama campaign] will say gun owners -- they'll say they left them alone," LaPierre told an audience at the Conservative Political Action Conference (CPAC) Friday. "In public, he'll remind us that he's put off calls from his party to renew the Clinton [assault weapons] ban, he hasn't pushed for new gun control laws... The president will offer the Second Amendment lip service and hit the campaign trail saying he's actually been good for the Second Amendment."

"But it's a big fat stinking lie!" the NRA leader exclaimed. "It's all part of a massive Obama conspiracy to deceive voters and destroy the Second Amendment in our country."
http://videocafe.crooksandliars.com/david/nra-claims-massive-obama-conspiracy-not-ban-

[Missycim]

8. What I want answered

and can never get a complete answer on is what is "common sense" gun laws?

[Missycim]

10. Again I must say this a 1000 times

if the DNC came out full bore for the 2nd, the NRA would dry up and go back to safety training etc. Some will never learn.

[atreides1]

29. You're Wrong

As long as there are gun manufanturers filling the NRA coffers, the NRA isn't going anywhere!

The NRA stopped representing individual gun owners some time ago....they now get most of their money from gun manufacturers...but the rubes still think that the NRA speaks for them!

I can only do my little part...I'm not renewing my membership!

[Missycim]

31. So are you going to join

the counterpoint of the NRA? Brady or VPC?

[trouble.smith]

11. ..................

I just want you to know that we are working on it (gun control)," Brady recalled the president telling them. "We have to go through a few processes, but under the radar."
Barack Obama to Sarah Brady


Under the radar? doesn't that kind of sound...conspiratorial?

[rfranklin]

12. Where did that little tidbit come from?

It helps your argument if you have a credible source.

[trouble.smith]

15. Sarah Brady and the Washington Post.

[rfranklin]

18. The usual way to back up such things is to include the link...

otherwise people think you are making up things.

[Missycim]

20. Now you are going to slam the source but

here is the article

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/over-a-barrel-meet-white-house-gun-policy-adviser-steve-croley/2011/04/04/AFt9EKND_print.html

Its towards the bottom of the page

[Missycim]

23. No comment on the article?

I guess the NRA's paranoia isn't all made up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

24. Your interlocutor seems to have left the room...

...after you posted that inconvenient link.

[Missycim]

27. its funny, when shown the facts they are no where to be found.

nt

[friendly_iconoclast]

33. Factose intolerance is common amongst anti-choicers...

[rfranklin]

36. Unlike you I cannot spend all my time on DU...

and I did not dispute the post. I was instructing a seeming new poster on how to present links to back the argument.

Your response and that of the other gun trolls is a snarky smarty pants comment that adds nothing to the discussion.

[safeinOhio]

7. Thank you for your concern.

[Missycim]

9. Don't really need your thanks

so please save it for someone who cares about what you think, ok?

[safeinOhio]

13. Just showing my concern about your

opinion of concern about what Democrats put in our platform. Hope you have some similar concerns with the GOP platform that you might want to share with them.

[Missycim]

14. I couldn't care less what republicans put in their

platform, I only care what the DNC puts in theirs. I am tired of the b#$ching and moaning from all the anti-choicers in this forum. If you want the NRA to go away, change the platform. The NRA wants to promote the 2nd Amendment, thats their right and if you want them to go away (and gain votes at the same time) take that plank out of the platform or you can continue to moan and bitch. Your choice.

[safeinOhio]

16. "anti-choicers"

Strange term for those who's choice is different than yours.

[Missycim]

17. There are some against my choice to carry a weapon

hence the term. I am sorry if this offends your delicate sense abilities

[safeinOhio]

21. So, I'm ant-choice because

I'm not for allowing you to carry a full auto down the street along with a grenade? Or, perhaps you are somewhat anti-choice also.

[Missycim]

22. What you choose for "ants" is up to you

but your spelling aside, you can quit with the Hyperbole.


We are talking handguns, so please try to keep up.

[friendly_iconoclast]

25. "...will defend to the death your right to agree with them."

A classic liberal, iow...

[Missycim]

5. doesn't factcheck receive money from the

same foundation the brady campaign does?

[geckosfeet]

4. Just another reason the nra will never get a red cent from me... head up a$$ syndrome

[Hells Liberal]

19. This is why I won't join the NRA

I'm Mr. 2nd Amendment. I am a staunch opponent of any law that would deprive law-abiding, mentally competent adults of their right to keep and bear arms.

I'm sure my views on gun ownership are very different than President Obama's. But I also pay attention to what's going on and I know that President Obama hasn't touched gun control with a 10-foot pole since the 2008 election. It's a losing issue at the national level, which is why you won't hear any politician with the slightest ambition for the presidency go anywhere near that issue.

The fact is, the NRA of late has been more concerned with electing repubs to office than with looking out for my RKBA.

[Enrique]

26. Paul Ryan just said Obama isn't doing anything on guns

in that interview where he got pissed at the reporter, he answered the gun question by saying, "Even Obama isn't proposing gun legislation".

[upaloopa]

28. Obama signed a law to allow guns in

federal parks. Has said only that military style weapons should not be on the streets.

Will DU gunners put that word out or not?

[Eleanors38]

30. The "gunners" have. Now, if you would please put...

The fact that a self-destructive AWB is STILL in the platform?

[upaloopa]

32. Didn't know that but OK I will say that to who I

talk to about it.

Though like the majority of NRA members I own a gun and support workable gun control laws.

[friendly_iconoclast]

34. Kindly define 'workable gun control laws', if you would.

[upaloopa]

37. I can't speak for everyone but I am not

in favor of guns being taken every where I go. I would prefer if businesses could not allow guns in their places of business so I can do business there rather than some where that allows guns.
Personally I believe the SCOTUS came to the latest gun decisions as a result of the Bush appointments. I want a more liberal court to not permit the unlimited carrying of guns every where you can go.
It is my belief society as a whole is not served well by more guns being on the streets.
I believe that logic shows that the more guns there are the more gun violence there will be.
I know you have your statements to the contrary but I don't accept all of them and that is my right under the 1st Amenest.

[Jenoch]

38. You do realize that

the CCW laws are all state and not federal laws don't you?

Here in Minnesota businesses can post a sign in their establishment that says guns are not permitted. Of course you understand that a sign does not stop a criminal from going into that place of business with a gun, even with the sign in place.

[upaloopa]

40. What ever I don't like them. And in my 66 years on this

earth criminals have carried guns. Less or more gun restrictions will not change that so that argument is mute.
Also law abiding gun owners become criminals the minute they shoot some innocent person so that don't use that meme either.

[Jenoch]

41. Whatever...

It sure reads like you're defending criminals in this case. By the way, nowhere in my post did I say it was wrong for a business to have a sign banning guns in their establishment. I just pointed out that the sign really does not do anything to stop guns from entering their place of business.

[Eleanors38]

35. Thanks for your reply. IIRC, the national parks

Legislation was announced in this forum by pro2A folks.

[ieoeja]

39. Romney makes AWB permanent in Mass. Obama makes carry legal on trains and in national parks.

NRA endorses Romney.

Tell me again that the NRA puts firearms ahead of Republicans.


Told this story many times on DU. But it seems like a good time for it again.

After I quit the NRA they called me to request I rejoin many times over the next two years. And every conversation ended the exact same way.

NRA: "It is important you rejoin."

ME: "While I am a strong supporter of gun rights, on other issues I am very liberal and"

{Click}

Every. Fucking. Time.

So come to think of it, DON'T tell me again that the NRA puts firearms ahead of Republicans. Even without their endorsement of anti-gun Romney, I would know better from personal experience.

[Jenoch]

42. Actually, the guns on Amtrak thing

was about making it legal to have weapons in checked luggage on trains, just as it is legal to have a gun in checked luggage on airliners. By the way, I am not a member of the NRA either.

[ieoeja]

43. Thank you for the correction. n/t