Gun Control & RKBA
Related: About this forumI carried a gun today and no one was hurt by it.
I'm starting this post today Saturday 9/15/2012. Just like every other day in Ohio, I'm lawfully carrying a firearm for self and family protection.
I've been lawfully carrying in Ohio and other states since 2005. I'm not a LEO or any type of government agent. I'm an armed U.S. Citizen who's taking advantage of the first human right: the right of self-defense. I've been shooting handguns since I was 12 years old, rifles came much later. My father a life long Democrat and Union Organizer was spooked by the 1994 AWB and decided to buy some firearms, which he trained my family members and I on. I never lost interest and practiced regularly.
Today, I'm carrying my Glock 17 9mm. It hold 17 rounds 9x19mm ammuntion in the magazine + 1 round in the chamber. It sits in a custom made Zlogonje leather holster concealed at the 5 O'Clock position on my waist. Believe it or not, it hides quite well. I carry an extra magazine with me because the most likely thing to break on a semi-auto pistol is the magazine. The extra capacity is a secondary concern to reliable function, but still a comfort.
The ammunition that I carry is 127 grain Ranger T +P+ (improved Ranger SXT/Black Talon), this loading has shown to be very effective in ballistic gelatin (meets FBI 12" penetration standard) and produces quite controllable recoil due to it's relatively light weight.
I'm going to check in every day that I've carried a firearm.....and no one was hurt by it. I encourage others to do the same. No second hand experiences, just your own.
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- A picture of my G17 in class.
NYC_SKP
(68,644 posts)I have the worst luck with some of my semiautos with jamming.
Don't own this model, though.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)firearms that I own. What semi-auto is giving you all of this trouble?
trouble.smith
(374 posts)jehop61
(1,735 posts)Guess it shows you wern't crazy today. Hope you are sane tomorrow,too.
Control-Z
(15,684 posts)Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)The photo in the OP demonstrates that rDigital is female, you endorse the notion that she might "go crazy" - and you feature a Trust Women graphic with your sig. Without any recognition of hypocrisy. Wow.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)kthnxby.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Your post certainly isn't helping your case.
shadowrider
(4,941 posts)The barrel is going up and isn't pointed toward what you aimed at
rDigital
(2,239 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)For myself, I won't trust to luck.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)The FBI stats are that there are over 1.3 million reported violent crimes every year. Nobody knows how many unreported violent crimes there are. I can easily google news and come up with lots of reports of people who did everything right and were still victims of violent crime. Their luck simply ran out.
With a population of about 320 million, the odds strongly favor you. I will readily admit that. But it is still a probability statement. You don't have a guarantee, nor do I. So there is an element of luck involved.
So I carry, just in case my luck runs out, even though I do everything else right to avoid crime.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)still a probability regardless of how well trained and how well intentioned.
Nope - will steer clear as much as possible.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)If I lived in a more walkable community, I would steer clear of them.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)when it comes to guns, I thought the people were at fault.
but I get it . . . the reason for the conflict in logic, that is.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)you sounded like it was the gun not the human. With cars, it is not always the human, brakes fail etc.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)I have been around guns my entire life. I have never had a negligent discharge, but I have been a crime victim. Your paranoia regading legal gun carriers is illogical. We save more innocent lives than we take.
Legal concealed carry saves more innocent lives than it takes.
In Texas the detailed statistics are compiled annually by the Department of Public Safety and published on the internet. It is likely that the Texas experience with Concealed Handgun Licenses would be about the same in other states. The last year for which statistics are published is 2011 for convictions. http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/rsd/chl/index.htm
In 2011 there were 512,625 people who had CHLs. Out of those people there were exactly four (4) murder convictions. Out of the general population there were 553 convictions for murder in its various forms.
So very, very few CHL holders go bad, but some do.
The DPS also publishes an annual Crime in Texas Report. http://www.dps.texas.gov/crimereports/10/citCh3.pdf
From that report, page 15:
Statistics on murder circumstances, victims, and
victim/offender relationships on the next page
include justifiable homicides. Justifiable homicide
is the killing of a felon by a peace officer in the
line of duty or the killing (during the commission
of a felony) of a felon by a private citizen. In
2010, there were 98 justifiable homicides, of
which, 50 were felons killed by private citizens,
and 48 were felons killed by police.
In Texas all homicides, even those that are clearly self-defense, have to go before a grand jury which will rule if the killing was justified or not. So those 50 justified private citizen homicides were ones in which the defender genuinely and legitimately feared for his life. Since most shootings are merely woundings there would be a much larger number of justified woundings in which the defender genuinely feared for his life, but that number is not kept. Obviously there are dozens of cases each year in which a CHL holder uses their gun to save themselves.
Dozens of innocent lives saved versus four innocents killed shows the concealed carry is working in Texas. As already stated, there is no reason to believe that other CCW states have a different experience.
Legal concealed carry saves innocent lives.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)I wonder where the real paranoia might lie
rDigital
(2,239 posts)DrDan
(20,411 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)Missycim
(950 posts)but you dont have the right to take that choice away from me.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)Missycim
(950 posts)you have a lot of work ahead of you changing the 2nd, you better have tons of money as well.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Why are you afraid of those of us who carry legally? I have just proven to you that we save more innocent lives than we take. You have a greater probability of being struck by lightning than of being illegally shot & killed by a CCWer.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)Have to because their employer requires it. Some may have to because of an identifiable threat to their safety. Perhaps not.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I only carry on back country hikes, often long range, in Wyoming. Don't have CCW for either Florida or Wyoming. They go to the range in a lock box.
Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)But hey, since the odds strongly favor that your gun will hurt or kill someone, I guess you can trust your fucking stupid luck.
DaveBeal
(3 posts)They don't go off for no reason.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)wrong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/117265861
Privately Owned Firearms
The estimated total number of guns held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,000
http://www.gunpolicy.org/firearms/region/united-states
270 Million! That's a lot of guns. I think that horse is already out of the barn.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2010/crime-in-the-u.s.-2010/tables/10shrtbl08.xls
8.775 murders by firearms in 2010 compared with 270 million guns in the United States.
That means that of the total civilian guns in circulation only 0.00325% are ever used to murder another person. That's a little over 3/1000's of 1%. Thats a whole lot of guns doing a whole lot of nothing. If guns are ONLY designed to kill, It sounds like most guns are defective.
Infact, the chances are EXCEEDINGLY rare that your firearm will be used to kill or hurt anyone.
You have to back up words with facts. You're entitled to your own opinion, but not your own facts.
Happy Sunday!
..... and here's another nugget of wisdom. Free of charge!
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GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)There are negligent discharges, but and accidental discharge does not exist with a gun of modern design. Modern designs are "drop safe".
I have been handling guns for over 50 years with no negligent discharges. Not. A. Single. One. I think that is a pretty good safety record.
cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)Which is well, luck.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)cleanhippie
(19,705 posts)MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Let me tell you a little story from when I was about 8 or 9. It was the middle of the night and some guy comes banging on the door asking to use the phone, this is long before everyone had a cellphone. My Dad said he wouldn't let him in but said if he needed help he could call the police to assist him. The guy then starts banging HARD on the door and demanding my dad let him in. My dad told my Mom to call the police and to lock me, my little brother, and herself in their bedroom up stairs. I never will forget seeing my dad with his .357 in the hallway in a ready position aiming at the door. My Dad then yells at the guy that the police are on the way. This apparently pissed the guy off because he starts hitting and kicking the door so hard it started to break and damn near came off the hinges. I never will forget what my Dad yelled at the guy next, "listen you son of a bitch, I'm armed and the moment that door comes down I will kill you". That apparently got the guy's attention because I heard the guy sprinting off our porch. The police caught the guy a few blocks from our house. The next day my Dad sat me down and had a talk with me. He told me that my Mom wasn't comfortable with guns and my brother was still too little. If something like that ever happened again and if something should happen to him, I was to grab my .20ga out of his gun closet and shoot anyone who kicks down the bedroom door.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)However, I don't see how it relates to carrying outside the home.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)It's also funny how "flashbulb" memories work. I can picture it vividly to this day, my brother doesn't even remember it. After my father's funeral I brought it up and my mother couldn't believe I remember it so well given that it was about 20 years ago. She also had no idea what my father had told me the day after.
Think about those people in the movie theater in Colorado...now think how many more would have died if every 3rd person was a gun toting hero...*shudders*
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)most would be gagging on the tear gas. That said, Holmes was in front and everyone would be able to tell who is who.
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)More guns = more death. Period.
Response to 1GirlieGirl (Reply #129)
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gejohnston
(17,502 posts)to try to predict what could have happen, given the many possible variables, and other to assume an outcome based on ideology without actually knowing anything about the subject in general or specific facts about the case. Since the "bad guy" would be obvious, I doubt there would be a case of mistaken identity. Since many were incapacitated by tear gas, more guns would not make a difference either way.
VT would be easier, there would be less death.
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)Based on facts. It's another for someone to argue against my opinion with their own insult-strewn opinion, and zero facts to back it up.
http://abcnews.go.com/m/blogEntry?id=16827509
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/ezra-klein/wp/2012/07/23/six-facts-about-guns-violence-and-gun-control/
http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/research/hicrc/firearms-research/guns-and-death/index.html
http://www.stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/More-guns-produce-more-killing-3758158.php
petronius
(26,635 posts)in Aurora would have meant more deaths (i.e., your post #127)...
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)I don't know how to have a discussion with someone who can look at statistics and reply with...a non-reply. My statement, backed up by several sources, is obviously correct. Do whatever you want with that.
petronius
(26,635 posts)Your hypothesis in #127 had to do with the number of guns present in a room during a specific event. The two are not related; i.e., the statistics provide no support for your WAG...
rrneck
(17,671 posts)Crime in the United States is dropping while guns are selling at record rates. More guns - less crime. Why is that?
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/preliminary-annual-ucr-jan-jun-2011
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/nics/reports/copy_of_TotalNICSBackgroundChecks.pdf
http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Justice/2012/0109/US-crime-rate-at-lowest-point-in-decades.-Why-America-is-safer-now
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)and it is not based on facts. I meant no insult, but your analysis was based on opinion. Blog posts using advocacy groups, Brady Campaign or the NRA, as sources can be best described as propaganda. The WP blog post would take a lot longer, but the chart after Myth five, is misleading. You probably think that Wyoming has more gun violence than NY. It doesn't. The word "injury" includes accidents and suicides. Rural areas have higher suicide rates than urban areas. That is equally true in Canada, Australia, UK, and every place in the world. Yes, rural Canadians, Australians, and Brits own guns more than their urban counterparts. It is equally true in Japan and South Korea, where gun ownership, or lack of, is the same.
Hemenway, yeah. The word echo chamber comes to mind.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joyce_Foundation
DrDan
(20,411 posts)BlueToTheBone
(3,747 posts)xchrom
(108,903 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Those who carry think individual rights trump all else. Doesn't always work too well, especially when exercising those rights infringes on the safety of others.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Game....then put my LCP on after getting off school grounds.
rrneck
(17,671 posts)If I have to carry, I will. But since I'm too cheap to buy another gun, I need a good reason to wag a 1911 around. Hell, I don't even like carrying a wallet.
trouble.smith
(374 posts)Even better, I purchased my new Glock 30 from an Ohio deputy sheriff who was also armed. And nobody was hurt despite all of this. God bless America.
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Teh KrossFYRE ZOMG!!1!11!!!
ileus
(15,396 posts)discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,540 posts)Yours must be broken.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)If we all did this there would be around 30 threads a day about it
I carry a Glock 36.... They call them flying ashtrays for a reason
rDigital
(2,239 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)SIG 220
Colt 1911a1
Webley revolver 45acp
1860 Army C&B revolver, 4"bbl, 44caliber
All will work
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)*Looks down at 511 tactical pro cargo pants and a button up flannel cover shirt* Ok maybe a little hillbilly
rDigital
(2,239 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)LOL, and I do carry a Glock 36 in .45, almost DAILY!
Actually, just got home from Vacation, Noticed that they had a indoor gun range near our ocean front condo, so I decided to go "plinking" I had not fired my CCW firearm in a long while, and it was time to "brush up" on needed skills.... Good thing too! The gun functioned flawlessly, but my trigger skills had slipped badly. This target is from the first 50 rnds on target at about 30 feet. At least I managed to make solid hits with ALL rounds.
EDIT, This was not slow aimed fire, but combat firing, all 50 rounds where expended within a couple of minutes, of actual shooting only stoppages being to reload my three spare magazines..
I purchased and fired another 200 rounds, getting my "trigger finger" back up to spec, and pulled my groups back to the center. But my android phone was dead by this point, so no pics. My 15 year old daughter also got to send about 150 rounds down range with my .45! So it was a very good day for shooting!! Apparently, we civilians can easily out shoot New York City cops.
Not to mention, that day, after I reloaded my pistol back up with good self defense ammunition (Remington Golden Sabers), we as a family went to a large amusement park, ate at a nice restaurant. And absolutely NO ONE was injured in anyway. Over the past week we have been MANY MANY places, and all the while, legally armed.
ileus
(15,396 posts)We just arrive home after a hour or so of shooting the 22's 38 and 380.
Kids love shooting the MKII and SR22.
My son can shoot the SR almost as well as I do.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)neither owns a gun . . . neither feels "naked" when leaving the house without one . . .
yep . . . pretty proud of them
ileus
(15,396 posts)he's a pretty amazing shot with the long gun and darned good with the pistol. Of course he's been running around shooting BB guns for a few years now so he has a little better understanding of open sights.
My 10yo daughter on the other hand just started showing real interest in target shooting. She needs much more practice but has little interest in "training" for her it's all about the fun of just shooting. She doesn't have "time" to worry about groups. LOL
DrDan
(20,411 posts)got through their years without a gun . .
proud of 'em
Clames
(2,038 posts)...when they reach that point.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)I went shooting as a kid, had all kinds of guns in the house. I first learned how to shoot with a gun my brother bought in Germany. Never locked the doors at night.
ileus
(15,396 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)Clames
(2,038 posts)A lot can be said, but not by you.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)we can also leave our house without feeling the need for a weapon.
I'm just smart enough to be prepared. YMMV of course.
Oneka
(653 posts)I chose a Glock 26, 9 mm, in a Don Hume IWB holster at 3:00, it conceals very well there. I also carry an extra magazine but my mags only have a capacity of 10, i only use 9 of that. I opted for federal hydrashok ammo. I took my wife and daughter to a park in Sandstone Mn, we hiked about 5 miles, got some pictures of a waterfall on the Kettle river, where no one was hurt. We stopped off at an A&W on our way home and had root beer floats, and OMG,, no one was hurt.
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)Didn't carry one yesterday either! Won't carry one tomorrow too!! In fact, never owned one!!! And no one's ever been hurt!!!!!!!!!!
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)You merely don't think of them as weapons, and aren't trained in their employment as such.
But sure, good for you...
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)Response to rDigital (Original post)
glacierbay This message was self-deleted by its author.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)My primary weapon is a Glock 21 .45 cal. semi auto.
My secondary or backup weapon is a S&W .38 cal. revolver in an ankle holster.
My patrol car is outfitted with a Remington 870 12 ga. shotgun.
In the trunk of my car is my personal Colt AR-15
When I'm off duty, I don't carry at all.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)That seems to be the norm with LEOs. I remember reading a survey a while back that said only 20% of LEOs carry off duty. Never understood why they wouldn't.
ProgressiveProfessor
(22,144 posts)Old school approach was that as an LEO you had a duty to intervene, even off duty, and that is why you carried.
glacierbay
(2,477 posts)my reasoning is that I have to put up with the shit 4 days a week, 10 hours a day, my days off are my time to spend with the wife and kids and grand kids. When I'm not on the job, I'm just another Joe Citizen.
MotherPetrie
(3,145 posts)petronius
(26,635 posts)in this regard (assuming that you live in a state which respects your right to self determination on this topic), and that your day was smooth and incident free. Long may it continue!
rl6214
(8,142 posts)I have been carrying for 5 years.
randr
(12,457 posts)Really, impressive.
Buzz Clik
(38,437 posts)I am fully supportive of concealed carry, but this is effing stupid.
ileus
(15,396 posts)I pulled out the 642 to clean after lunch.
Later on I'll clean the MKII, LCP, and SR22.
sir pball
(4,918 posts)Not that I'm disqualified, I've had licenses in three states, just that I'm not rich or famous enough to get one here in NYC.
Never felt "naked" or vulnerable either - while I do prefer to have the best tool for the job available when possible, just because I'm not allowed doesn't mean I consider myself defenseless by any means. I still have the most effective self-defense tool there is, situational awareness. My friends, some of whom live in the rattier parts of Brooklyn, are always saying things like "Stop looking around like that. You look like a tourist, you'll get mugged!" because my head is always on a swivel...not that I'm compulsively checking-six and analyzing everything in terms of potential threats/attacks/ambushes, but I am always taking in my surrounding environment and being simply AWARE of what's happening.
It's very much the same mindset when I'm walking through the woods hunting deer; if I haven't seen anything that I've identified as a target or threat, I'm not in any kind of "engagement" mode. Just conscious of everything that's going on; if I perceive something that needs an elevation of my mental state only then do I start to think "OK, this is a situation, time to do something." Mind you, the potential stimuli that will trigger an escalation are NOT the same when hunting vs. an SD situation; I am quite clearly NOT in the mentality of "hunting teh baddiez" by any means. It's a much higher and more affirmative bar, even if something does get my attention I'm going to try and passively avoid it before anything else.
All that, and I always have a pen or at least my keys on me; a few years of martial arts training makes both of those quite useful should the need arise.
To directly address the OP, when I do carry the only people who have ever known it are the ones who saw me put on the weapon; society as a whole was entirely unaffected because society as a whole was entirely unaware.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)of a person in favor of gun rights convincing a gun-control believer of the rightness of the choice? Or vice-versa? This is like the abortion debate--there is no middle ground, and no one ever changes sides. Perhaps it's best for us to agree to disagree?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,540 posts)Dr. Arthur Kellerman, stated: "If youve got to resist, youre chances of being hurt are less the more lethal your weapon. If that were my wife, would I want her to have a .38 Special in her hand? Yeah." (Health Magazine, March/April 1994)
Jill Fieldstein, CBS producer, Street Stories: Women and Guns: "As a card-carrying member of the liberal media, producing this piece was an eye opening experience. I have to admit that I saw guns as inherently evil, violence begets violence, and so on. I have learned, however, that in trained hands, just the presence of a gun can be a real "man stopper." I am sorry that women have had to resort to this, but wishing it wasn't so wont make it any safer out there." 29 April 1993.
Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)is tolerance of one another's views. You will never convince me that I should carry a gun; I will never convince you that you shouldn't. Under the law, we each have the right to choose, and should respect one another's choice.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)The problem arises when you try to restrict the choices I can legally make.
Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)I do favor control of assault weapons. Does that compromise your choice? I also feel that gun ownership entails certain responsibilities, such as learning to use one properly, keeping them away from small children, and using the best security measures possible to see that they don't fall into the wrong hands through theft or carelessness.
Reasonable_Argument
(881 posts)Yes and I'm all for people taking gun classes, but I don't believe in putting education requirements on constitutional rights or mandating certain storage methods.
Liberal Gramma
(1,471 posts)I respect your viewpoint; I hope you respect mine.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)I'm wondering if you even know what an "assault weapon" is. A lot of Dems think that an "assault weapon" is fully automatic. (sprays bullets, as it were) CNN even misrepresented them as fully automatic. Are you aware that the only differences between "acceptable" rifles and "assault weapons" are cosmetic rather than functional?
discntnt_irny_srcsm
(18,540 posts)I believe in the freedom to do so. I don't own a handgun. Respect is always the best option. thanks
Common Sense Party
(14,139 posts)you fear and/or abhor. You don't want a gun? No problem. You're free to choose.
However, anti-gunners LOVE to tell me that I shouldn't carry an inanimate object. They tell me I'm insane, I'm anti-social, I'm compensating, I'm a right-wing neanderthal, etc.
GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)Most of the people who come here are already firmly committed to their side. But there have been rare posters who have changed. I have seen two who changed from anti to pro-RKBA. They were a long time ago when I was an occasional lurker.
Oneka
(653 posts)Vinnie From Indy
(10,820 posts)Is this your Sunday sermon to DU? Do you feel empowered now? Your post reminds me of another character that obsessed over a thing....
ileus
(15,396 posts)When info is added like what caliber and type of firearm it only makes the post more interesting.
I don't really see where LOR movies tie into the OP at all.
rl6214
(8,142 posts)Speck Tater
(10,618 posts)hlthe2b
(105,010 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)Nevertheless, I'm gonna stick to riding my bicycle. It's clean, economical and safe, and it folds. So, in an emergency, if and when I'm attacked by mysterious thugs, I can fold it up and hurl it at them with all my might, while standing my ground. Or, on second thoughts, if I see them coming, I might just take off in the opposite direction.
Keep us updated. Try not to miss a day, as we might start to worry.
graham4anything
(11,464 posts)I went swimming today. Glad I don't own one, because that might have weighed me down and I would have drowned. Guns can cause drowning.
and the gunnies who swim, better becareful, because what happens if there is the boogie man in the water, and their gun is on shore, shit, did they even think about that
(cue in the Jaws theme)
Guns are like prisons. They are like compulsions and obsessions.
And the chances of someone being attacked by someone with a gun are greater than being hit by lightning I bet.
(the nra folk will of course have a ready to go post on that as the professionals always do.)
It's Oct. 31
there is a stranger at the door
wearing a mask to hide their identity
bang
another one bites the dust
oops, just a kid on Halloween dressed like a ghost, now he is one.
Anyone know the actuary stats on people losing years to their life just by worrying about something that never will happen to them from now til they are no longer here?
What does that do to ones blood pressure?
YIKES! EEK! EGAD!
deathrind
(1,786 posts)But bullets do. Restrict the sale of ammo and ammunition containers. The 2nd says nothing about ammo or the functionality of the "arm" for that matter. Of course the the RKBA group will say it is implied the but it is not. This way RKBA group can keep and bear all the "arms" they want even though most in that group are not now and probably never have been part of a "well regulated militia" which from a strict constructionist view means no one outside of the Military of LE has a right to bear an "arm"....
petronius
(26,635 posts)http://caselaw.findlaw.com/dc-court-of-appeals/1543809.html
The only reason a court hasn't ruled specifically on the 'ammo included in arms' before now is, I imagine, because the answer is in fact blisteringly obvious. To the extent that RKBA is protected, the necessary accoutrements to that right are also protected...
PavePusher
(15,374 posts)Obviously, you don't have a strict constructionist view of the First Amendment....
petronius
(26,635 posts)as a precedent in any attempt to eliminate 2A through the backdoor of taxing or oppressively regulating ammunition...
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&vol=460&invol=575
ileus
(15,396 posts)at the church...
I'll have to get back and confirm if nothing happened or not.
I just stripped it and gave it a good cleaning a few hours ago after shooting it yesterday. I reassembled it and hit the snap cap a few times and then dropped the hammer on an empty just to make sure nothing went wrong.
Safety first after all.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)made it back fine and dandy....it's no back in the pistol safe. I'll get it out in the morning for my daily commute.
Oneka
(653 posts)Today i chose a Springfield Armory XD-40 sub compact, in a Don Hume IWB holster, again i chose Federal Hydrashok ammo.
My ,daughter , wife , and i went to Cambridge City Park, and had a nice 2.5 mile hike down along the banks of the Rum River, and no one was hurt. My daughter loves riding around in one of these.
On our way home we stopped off at Menards, and checked out prices on some lumber we need for a raised garden project, and OMG
you guessed it, no one was hurt.
I am happy to report that in MN , i can still exercise my, constitutionally protected, individual right without anyone getting hurt.
I am glad i have the choice.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Keep up the good work...hopefully you'll never need your XD except to dispatch some hateful targets.
Oneka
(653 posts)Society, and my family, have given me much more than i could ever repay, but i do what i can, to protect both.
madville
(7,447 posts)I mainly carried a S&W 637 .38 for years but have semi-retired it in favor of the CW9. The 637 is still my ankle holster gun though, mainly when I want to carry a back up like when I was working in some rough areas of Miami the last few weeks.
fascisthunter
(29,381 posts)MercutioATC
(28,470 posts)The G19 is perfect, though
rDigital
(2,239 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)Same firearm (G17), different holster (Galco OWB with security snap). Drove through Edinboro and Erie, PA. Took some pictures, enjoyed my Sunday.
There was only one tactical error: We stopped for some wild Chinese buffet on Peach st. However, we made up for it at Starbucks and played Chess on the iPad and drew an octopus.
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-The Most exciting thing I saw today... was a fire-hydrant : |
DrDan
(20,411 posts)safe, secure, not a feeling of fear the whole day.
And to add to this wonderful feeling, my wife, daughter, and son did the same.
No incidents. No fear. No guns.
1GirlieGirl
(261 posts)I'm 46 and never owned a shooter. My daughter is in the Navy so she had to learn to shoot, but doesn't like guns. She's lived her entire life without fear or paranoia. I'm so proud of her, and so very happy that I never created an environment where she felt that there was ever a reason to carry a gun around.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I am proud they have not bought into the gunners world, that they can get through life perfectly fine without totin' ever day.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)they were target shooters but never bothered to get CCWs? Would you be less proud of a kid who won the Olympic gold medal in biathlon than swimming?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)biathlon, you would be disappointed in your kid?
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)their decisions on guns are irrelevant to me.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)gejohnston
(17,502 posts)but accepting a culture or sub culture on its own terms, and hopefully understand it, is a sign of open mindedness, tolerance, and true liberalism.
Your view of the "gun culture" (if it is a distinctive but diverse sub culture, but that is different conversation) sounds very much like the "square" or "silent majority" culture viewed the "hippies".
To say Olympic or International Shooting Sports Federation competitors are more or less mature based on their chosen sports is so absurd that I have to question your understanding of the meaning of the word.
DrDan
(20,411 posts)I understand the word and am comfortable with my interpretation.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Wearing a set of khaki shorts, and a very light t-shirt.
Carrying my Glock 36 .45 in my right front pocket, in a pocket holster stashed away behind my wallet, with two spare magazines in my left front pocket. Loaded with Remington Golden Saber ammunition.
Left the condo in Myrtle Beach South Carolina at 11AM, drove to Conway South Carolina had a wonderful brunch. drove on to near Marion South Carolina, refueled and hit a tourist trap spot for trinkets and other assorted junk. Drove on up US 501, till it ran into SC 38, followed it, all the way to the North Carolina State Line, where we got on US74 for a few miles over to Rockingham North Carolina, where we hit a down poor. Headed up US 221, Stopped at Candor, North Carolina, for a bathroom break and leg stretching. Decided to take a different route home, went up US 221 and above Asheboro North Carolina, got on US 311 over through High Point and on to Winston-Salem North Carolina, than up US 52 to Mt Airy North Carolina (Mayberry) for shopping went to Burks, Staples, Tractor Supply Co, and a few other stores, than to for supper at a Chinese restaurant, than on home!
larwdem
(814 posts)shot your dick off
rDigital
(2,239 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)You said it was a pic of your g17...not that it was you shooting.
I've kinda wondered since you posted this thread.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)PavePusher
(15,374 posts)who abuses electrons with such egregious grammar.
Have a nice day.
chibajoe
(197 posts)She carried a G26, and I carry a P12. When asked why I felt the need to carry such a large caliber, I confided to her that I was compensating for a small penis. She was quite amused.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Put on the 9c for my sons birthday party.
Nice this time of year for carrying a larger safety devise.
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)Headed out around noon time in the Mustang GT it had been sitting for a couple of weeks and needed to "stretch", ran to the optometrists office to pick up my contact lenses, than drove over to CVS to pick up a new razor, and some contact lens supplies. Than on to a local restaurant for a light lunch. Got home about 5, and got ready for some new furniture that was being delivered! Got it all squared away. played fetch with the chocolate lab we have, and hang with my kids until bath time.
Than down at the computer desk, where I check my mail messages, and here I am....
Glock 36 still on me, still completely hidden....and absolutely nothing out of the ordinary has happened all day long.
Tomorrow, if the rain lets up, I will take my modified Thunderbird Turbo Coupe out for a spin and do my errands in it! It too has sit for several weeks, and it could use a "stretch".
And yes, the Glock will be right their right along with me.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)I have no idea what a Ferret is, or why it would need a engine..
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)This is what mine will look like when finished. Bought it with a blown engine, and the turret dismounted. Got a good price on it.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)My semi-auto 1919a4 will mount in the turret with no problems.
http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.gunslot.com/pictures/original-browning-1919a4-machinegun-rebuilt-semiautomatic-lone-wolff-dist&h=723&w=1024&sz=174&tbnid=AZv94wEfzngyHM:&tbnh=90&tbnw=127&zoom=1&usg=__LJ7ix-otIKQ9i5TbZXq9FyCpBs0=&docid=EuucuU5OjghPFM&sa=X&ei=HHpaUIqMPKOw2wW7noBA&ved=0CEAQ9QEwBA&dur=862
Ya know I had to add the gun porn!
virginia mountainman
(5,046 posts)The gun control advocates will have a hard time getting their heads around "Belt"!! LOL!!!
Very nice "ferret" too!! Now that is a REAL Mil-surp!!!
Keep us posted!
Oneka
(653 posts)Carried all day, and no one was hurt, i think i see a pattern beginning to emerge here.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)I took another long distance trip today. I was lawfully armed with my partner's Ruger LCP, chambered in .380 ACP. It sits safely in my front let pocket in a Galco in-pocket holster.
We visited Prism, the artist superstore, and bought some pens to draw more cats with. Black, oriental blue and dark grey. Everything there is on sale this week. Then it was off to Hot Heads Burritos, where we enjoyed our fiesta.
My partner wanted to learn more about their camera, a Nikon D series DSLR. I instructed on the use of af-c vs af-s, when to use shutter priority, using DoF to your artistic advantage and other fun things like the exposure triangle.
We're topping the night off with submarine sandwiches and Coke Zeros at a local sandwich shop. All the while i am lawfully armed and having a fun, devoid of fear, carefree Happy Monday.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just another normal carefree day. Our carry piece of choice was once again the light and versatile Ruger LCP in .380 tucked safely away in a pocket holster.
Not much of interest today. I didn't draw any cats or take any pictures so far. Just another day at the office.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Another safe day.
enjoy life ya'll until the next time.
Oneka
(653 posts)today i chose one of these. in a pocket holster.
a little 25 cal bug. and no one was hurt
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just another day in paradise, here in Ohio... and another work day. It's an LCP .380 kind of day, I'll have to let everyone know later on if it jumps out of the pocket holster and starts killing people.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Of course my duty still hasn't wrapped up I have until 7:15 in the morning. Then I go back to assuring my safety, and leave the childrens safety to my wife and her EDC. Then we rely on the county deputy at their school.
Security Never Sleeps...
friendly_iconoclast
(15,333 posts)I also operated another. As a side note, five of them are demonstrably more lethal than the dreaded "assault weapons", yet the Commonwealth of Massachusetts inexplicably has no problem
with my carriage of them...
Oneka
(653 posts)This time , a 950 BS in .25, auto.
Oh yeah,, no one was hurt
rDigital
(2,239 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just another workday. My Ruger LCP in its rightful place, my left pocket. Nothing too exciting going on today. It didn't jump out an indiscriminately fire on other people yesterday... so I'm hoping today will prove to be the same kind of non-event.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)This is starting to get a little boring isn't it? Not much action going on for the armed citizen here. Well.... get used to it. SD carry is not about looking for trouble. It's about living your life and having a good time, while simultaneously retaining the ability and means to protect said life.
Today is a G17 day. Short day at the office. No one has been hurt so far. I may have to check in again later to make sure. You never know this brick of murder plastic may jump out of its holster and start killing people any second now.
I'm enjoying this sooooo much that I think I'm going to make a blog out of it as well. Then I will flog the blog right here in the Gungeon as others have been allowed to do. : )
rrneck
(17,671 posts)in tin foil so it's mind control rays won't turn you into a homicidal maniac when you're not looking.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Oneka
(653 posts)Yawn,,,,,same deal as all most every other day. the last couple of days i carried a Glock 19 though. i really like to mix it up with what i carry , some based on what clothes i wear,like for instance, i usually don't carry the g19 without a jacket on. In the summer months i can get away with concealing with an IWB holster and wearing jeans, and a t-shirt, only if i carry a smaller frame pistol. After my next purchase
Which will be one of these, i think i will stick to just one most of the time. This gun may be the best CC pistol on the market today, in terms of size/vs caliber. It only holds 5 in a full magazine, but looking at DGU's by CCW holders, they rarely use more than 3, and i usually carry an extra magazine on me anyway.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)subject at hand. Keep up the....yawn.... good work.
ileus
(15,396 posts)Two different carry firearms, and a kimber pepper blaster.
It's been a good week.
I also built a holster for my SR22.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)It looks like we are going on a family road trip out of state. Just like every other day, Ill be packing my Glock 9mm pistol. Its big, but believe it or not it conceals well. Ill also be carrying a back up magazine or two, because on a semi-auto pistol the component most likely to fail is the magazine. The extra capacity is not needed, but its another comfort regardless.
Hopefully, Ill have some pictures to post later. Happy Saturday : )
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Actually, I had 2 firearms: the G17 and the Ruger LCP. My partner and I went on a road trip to Pittsburgh. We drove around the city, got lost a couple of times, stayed in a shady motel and visited the zoo. We were even pulled over by the transit police when we accidentally entered the port authority area. It was a good encounter, and we were given directions to our destination by Officer Friendly.
I'll be posting pictures from the zoo in the photography group. : )
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Back to work for another glorious Monday. We will be carrying the Ruger LCP in .380-ACP today. It's looking to be a cool and brisk day. It's been a good day at the office so far. It's going to be a good night. I'll have to check back and make sure that my firearm didn't jump out of the holster and "go off" accidentally.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Yet another enjoyable day. My Ruger LCP is in my pocket, but only occupies the back of my mind. I'm enjoying life and having a good day. I may take some more photographs today or I might just draw some cats.
I'll have to check back later to make sure that my gun didn't jump out of it's holster and shoot everything.
Cross-Posted At my blog:
http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/09/25/09252012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day I've been carrying my Ruger LCP. It's not all that exciting after 5 years, but I'm just writing to show just how normal your life is when you carry a firearm.
Happy Thursday.
oneshooter
(8,614 posts)property. Always show up to check it out at night. But tonight I am going to be fixing some M/V lights that don't work.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)I carried a firearm for personal protection today, just like every other day. There is not much to it. I put it in the holster and then the holster goes in my pocket. Can you guess which pistol I'm carrying today?
See how boring this is? I've been doing this for over 7 years (i said 5 by mistake the other day, i forgot how old I was ) and have had no issues related to carrying a firearm.
It's been so boring that I almost forgot to make a post for today. Yawn : )
I did notice this disturbing bar on my way to work though. "NO GANG COLORS PERMITTED" Yikes!
Cross posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/09/28/09272011-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)I took another road trip today. Started my weekend early. Took my partner and our cameras our for some autumn color photography.
As always, my trusty Glock 17 was on my hip and out of sight. It didn't impede my fun nor did it "go off" and injure innocents, it sat there boring as every but ready to run at a moments notice in my belt holster.
Happy Friday. This photo was my reward for the day.
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Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/?p=22&preview=true
ileus
(15,396 posts)Not one issue of any type.
Remember safety first; refuse to be a victim.
Shitty Mitty
(138 posts)You sure it didn't sneak out at night and shoot someone?
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Observer. I need to cable lock my gun to the floor when I sleep to keep it from sneaking out at night and causing trouble. ; )
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a firearm for self-protection today. Since it's the weekend, I took another roadtrip to PA to take pictures. I'm not all that impressed with what I came up with, but it was still a fun day.
My firearm managed to stay in the holster another day and not harm anyone. Let's see how tomorrow goes.
Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/09/30/09292012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
ileus
(15,396 posts)Nice sized bear also....it come within 40 yards before my son scared it off.
Yesterday was youth day here in Va. Football in the morning (we won 20-0) for our first win this season on the last game of the season. LOL
I relied on the wife to carry her EDC so I didn't carry in the morning. Then in the evening it was time to take my son deer hunting, so I OC'd my SR22.
My daughter had a sleepover for the past two nights with a new friend so I've kept my EDC mostly out of sight and locked up.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)The last day of September is rolling by. Not much of interest to see here, but like every other day I was carrying my trusy Glock 17 9mm. I'm not sure why, but I didn't even bother to bring any extra magazines with me today.
As always, today was uneventful. My firearm didn't jump out of it's holster and kill anyone nor did it just "go off". I just keep on keeping on. Sadly, no photographs for today. My camera hasn't left it's bag at all today. D7000 is being put to bed though as I have a D600 coming in the mail by Wednesday!
Happy Sunday!
Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/09302012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
ileus
(15,396 posts)oneshooter
(8,614 posts)Nobody fainted, had a heart attack or the vapors because of it.
Ain't legal CC great!
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Last edited Tue Oct 2, 2012, 02:53 AM - Edit history (1)
Just like every other day, I carried a gun today and no one was hurt by its. Today was brisk and cool, I carried my Ruger LCP.
It didn't jump out of its holster and kill anyone today. I'll check back in tomorrow to see if it does.
Cross posted @http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/02/10012011-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a firearm today. Just like every other day, not a soul was hurt by it. Today, I carried my Sig P229 in .40 S&W. It's a little heavier than the others, but it is rock solid and has tritium night sights.
I'm a little taken aback by this newer gun, but it still hasn't jumped out of the holster and killed anyone. I'll have to check back in tomorrow to make sure.
Cross Posted @: http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/03/10022011-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-on-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a firearm for personal protection today and no one was hurt by it. Today I carried a Ruger LCP .380 ACP. Its a tiny little thing and it really disappears into my pocket when its put into a leather pocket holster.
Like most days, today was uneventful, but I still had my firearm accessible to me at all times
.and nothing bad happened today.
Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/04/10032011-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Yet again. No one was hurt by my holstered firearm.
I'll have to check back in again tomorrow to make sure that this is still true.
Cross Posted @http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/05/10042012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Today was a Glock 17 day. I got out of work early and my partners little sister was there to spend time with us. We took her to the most evil place we could find
.TACO BELL.
I carried my firearm all day and the most danger that we encountered was the fast food. Ill have to keep an eye on this thing and make sure that it doesnt jump out of the holster and start killing people. I may have to check back tomorrow to let you all know how the night went.
Cross posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/06/10052012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
ileus
(15,396 posts)not even a coyote to shoot at...
But on the plus side I did find Tula 308 at Wal-Mart today. 8.xx a box....so I picked up a couple of boxes.
Oneka
(653 posts)I carried a variety of handguns around with me pretty much every where i went.
The shooting in MPLS, not far from where i work, in St. Anthony Mn, drove home for me, one of the many reasons i carry. I also have a position
where i am in the meeting when someone is let go at the place i work. I have sat in meetings like that, hundreds of times, during my career, it never gets easier. I hope my situation never mirrors, what happened in MPLS, but if it does, i will at least have a fighting chance to save myself, and the other managers around me.
On a brighter note, i got to go shooting today, i recently got a new scope for this gun, a DPMS LR4.
I went over to my friends house, who has his own range, and sighted in. I will be going deer hunting in Keya
Paha county Nebraska , near springview, in a week or so, and needed a gun with a scope. Huh,, i guess evil looking black guns can be used for stuff other than killing humans.
Oh yeah,, no one was hurt by my guns.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a firearm for personal protection today and no one was hurt by it.
I taught a small Ohio CCW refresher class for 3 people this morning at my usual range spot, free of charge because I want more people to be encouraged to carry lawfully and responsibly. I also let everyone shoot my Henry .22 and Colt Sp-1. Since it rained last night, we even shot some tracers at steel targets. Fun was had all around.
I do high speed photography of my shooters to help them analyze and correct their shooting techniques. Here's a pretty cool photo from that session today.
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Took a trip to my parents house and then also got a stuffed crust pepperoni pizza from the hut. It was a good day and no one or nothing was hurt by my GUNZ.
Also, I'm selling this S&W M67 .38 Special if you're in Ohio. $350
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GUNZ
Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/07/10062012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a gun today and no one was hurt by it. I carried my Glock 17 9mm, and since I wasn't in a rush, I brought 2 extra magazines with me for reliability concerns.
My partner and I took a trip to PA and hit up the local Chinese Buffet and got our fill. Then it was off to BB to see if they had a D800 we could look at. They didn't have any and that's OK because we don't buy big ticket items from there anyway.
My gun (GUNZ?) didn't jump out of it's holster and kill anyone today either. I'm going to have to check back in tomorrow to make sure that it doesn't.
Cross Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/08/10072012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)My Ruger LCP didn't jump out of its holster and kill anyone today either. I'll have to check back in tomorrow to make sure.
ileus
(15,396 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a gun today and no one was hurt by it. The flavor of the day was the venerable Glock 17. It's a family favorite at my house.
I was carrying a large sum of cash today and being armed made me feel a bit better about it. I made a large deposit into my bank account for my new new camera... the Nikon D800. It'll be here Thursday.
My gun hasn't jumped out of the holster and killed anyone today. I'll have to check back again tomorrow to make sure that it doesn't.
Cross-Posted @http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/10/10092012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Just like every other day, I carried a gun today and no one was hurt by it.
I've been having such a good day. I carried my LCP .380 to the office and all was well. I'm very excited though, because tomorrow my D800 comes in the mail! I'll have to post some fancy pictures or something, but I just wanted to let everyone know how normal and uneventful life is when you carry a firearm for personal protection.
Cross-Posted @ http://icarriedaguntodayandnoonewashurtbyit.wordpress.com/2012/10/11/10102012-i-carried-a-gun-today-and-no-one-was-hurt-by-it/
rDigital
(2,239 posts)It's true. I did and I have since my last posting as well. Another uneventful day in the life of an armed DUer.
Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)gun to pull it out and shoot an innocent person.
The sad part is, your emotional strength is eclipsed by your moral bankruptcy. Guns are, after all, designed to kill. So the fact that you refuse to use yours for this purpose - and rather to use it for defensive purposes - demonstrates your willingness to ignore God's Law.
You should be ashamed. But of course, as a knuckle-dragging gun owner.....you are not.
Berserker
(3,419 posts)Last edited Sun Dec 9, 2012, 09:59 AM - Edit history (1)
hurt.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Simo 1939_1940
(768 posts)Not for the "no one got hurt" part, but for the "no one got laid" part.
slackmaster
(60,567 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)GreenStormCloud
(12,072 posts)They were tasty.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)You say you have been carrying a gun around for seven years. That's around 25,000 days. At this point, do you think the odds are greater that you will be a victim of a crime, or the victim of an accident? Or that you might need the gun to actually hurt someone?
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)rDigital
(2,239 posts)However, I've also not has a single car accident in the same time frame. Should I cancel my car insurance?
I try to do everything that I can to be a safe driver. I brake early, wear my seat belt, my head is on a swivel and I generally just try to be aware of my surroundings.
As far as my personal protection goes, I try to do everything to keep myself from ever being in a position where I would even need a firearm for protection. I avoid the triangle of risk: risky activity, risky people & risky places.
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)I'm really not trying to be argumentative or intrusive, but you appear to be a well balanced individual, with a heightened awareness of your surroundings.
I am just curious as to what makes you so vulnerable that you feel the need to carry for personal protection.
Maybe you are female, which one poster suggested somewhere, but I got the impression you were male. I can understand why many would want to carry, especially females, those who have received threats, those with high risk jobs and those who are obvious targets for such crimes as robbery or kidnapping.
For me, making such a decision is always based on odds, as I see them.
Wearing a seatbelt, for example, makes a lot of sense when traveling on a regular highway. Odds are that eventually, if you cover enough miles, you will benefit from that seatbelt. However, on certain roads and under certain conditions, you may well be better off not wearing one.
I see carrying a gun is similar, yet opposite, to the seatbelt.
In your case, I would imagine the danger is more likely to come from an accident or mishap, rather than from an attack. I notice you let others handle your guns, which always contains certain risks.
I don't think the insurance analogy is valid, because insurance is about money and compensation. Doesn't help prevent anything. In fact, it probably has a negative impact overall. Those without insurance tend to drive more carefully.
rDigital
(2,239 posts)I care about my new family. I care about my well being. To answer your gender inquiry, I am male and I love cats.
I don't feel vulnerable. I understand the risks of reality. I wish we could all get along perfectly, but there are predators among us. I'm not an alarmist, I'm just acknowleding reality. I personally know other people that have used their firearms to protect themselves from human predators outside of their homes as well as inside. I've had to use mine once, but thankfully didn't even have to raise it nor fire it. I don't leave my personal protection to the good will of others. Not to mention that LEOs have no duty to protect me, they are only responsible for enforcing laws. I know it's an old tired phrase, but it rings true: When seconds count the police are only minutes away.
I live in the middle of nowhere and the police response time is measured with a sun dial. There are coyotes, bears, meth labs, tweakers, drug dealers, rabid raccoons and other animals that are dangerous to humans. I still carried when I lived in the city too, every area has it's risks. Once the other guy decides you are a target, what you think doesn't matter all that much.
I am a firearms instructor. I take precautions to prevent injury to myself and others. Ted Strickland, former Ohio Governor, has shot under my supervision (he really didn't need it, he's quite safe). The others that handle my firearms are under strict supervision. They are under the same supervision handling their own firearms in my presence as well. I've trained close to 100 people so far over the last 2 years. It's a 12 hour class in Ohio. All without incident.
Here's my brother James, under my supervision, shooting a sub machinegun without incident.
Here's Gov. Strickland, under my supervision, Shooting a .45 without incident:
Clames
(2,038 posts)It's old
Starboard Tack
(11,181 posts)At least you have a sense of humor.
Clames
(2,038 posts)Add that to your list. Probably somewhere next to your credibility and understanding of the topic at hand.
ileus
(15,396 posts)ZombieHorde
(29,047 posts)What about the right to poop and pee?
rDigital
(2,239 posts)JEFF9K
(1,935 posts)In the event that you shoot yourself, have you arranged for someone to check-in and notify us?
rDigital
(2,239 posts)Zoeisright
(8,339 posts)That doesn't negate the 87 Americans who died from a gunshot today.
Response to Zoeisright (Reply #231)
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