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discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 08:52 AM Jul 2015

Reasons to question gun control

*** They don't know what they're talking about:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kevin_de_Le%C3%B3n

"In January of 2014, de Léon was ridiculed by opponents of gun control for his lack of gun knowledge after he incorrectly described the rate of fire, barrel length, type of magazine, caliber, and the insistence of calling it a "ghost gun" of a semiautomatic rifle in a press conference speech about gun control."



"...shoulder thing that goes up..."







*** They claim to not have the objective of banning guns:
...but apparently when they can only block members and ban discussion:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=about&forum=1262
Does the blocking of 47 DU members speak to the acceptance of using "banning" as a tool?
Perhaps there's a justification for a few but 47? Really?

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Reasons to question gun control (Original Post) discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 OP
That is so true Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #1
CT's AWB was in place before the Federal ban krispos42 Jul 2015 #2
Yep Duckhunter935 Jul 2015 #3
I look at legislation and law enforcement as fundamentally requiring... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #6
But it's all about "character" Shamash Jul 2015 #4
It's not even the lack of technical knowledge that upsets me the most. Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2015 #5
But it is the nuances and minutiae... discntnt_irny_srcsm Jul 2015 #7
 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
1. That is so true
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:14 AM
Jul 2015

You do not need to be an expert but you should at least try and understand the basics. I had to remind another one yesterday that said the Sandy Hook weapon was an assault weapon and was available due to the expiration of the 94 ban. I think they were genuinely surprised it was not a an assault weapon as defined by the law due to its lack of certain cosmetic features. I think they were also surprised it functioned the same and had the same rate of fire as ones that were banned.

krispos42

(49,445 posts)
2. CT's AWB was in place before the Federal ban
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:31 AM
Jul 2015

The Federal ban and the Connecticut ban adopted basically the same language as California's. However, the Connecticut ban didn't have a sunset provision. So that means that, effectively, the Federal ban was in effect from 1993 until 2013 in Connecticut... 9 years after the Federal ban expired.

 

Duckhunter935

(16,974 posts)
3. Yep
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 09:34 AM
Jul 2015

Something some people do not realize and the controllers will not point out or advertise. For them keeping people ignorant of the facts is good.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
6. I look at legislation and law enforcement as fundamentally requiring...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:14 AM
Jul 2015

...logic, justice and truth. I've seen many pro-control arguments and infobits that are sorely lacking in one or more of those.

There are no good excuses for that kind of activity.

My advice for pro-control, "If you don't know, say so. Find some information and use it rather than relishing ignorance."

Nuclear Unicorn

(19,497 posts)
5. It's not even the lack of technical knowledge that upsets me the most.
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 10:04 AM
Jul 2015

I can accept that good people can have good ideas even if they are not versed in the nuances and minutiae. Yet what we see from the Controllers is not only an absolute disdain for the right to self-defense (bordering on the most vile aspects of misogyny) but a general lack of respect for some many other rights, i.e. political speech, due process, private property, safety from unreasonable search and seizure, victim's rights, rights against self incrimination, respect for the Constitution and the branches of government.

The authoritarian streak that attends the bulk of gun control advocacy is chilling. When I first arrived at DU I was pro-control but I was anti-controlling. I wanted access to guns as limited as possible but as a -- oh, what's the word -- LIBERAL. I wanted, still want, people to be as free as possible. Yet, as time went on and I personally learned about guns my fear of them diminished. I came to see them as a tool of self-defense as well as the sports and hunting I grudgingly accepted.

But it was the Controllers who made me realize their zealotry was toxic to our freedoms. The name calling, the bannings, the disregard for personal rights, the fantasies of violence against gun owners makes them dangerous. They're as dangerous as drug gangs fighting over turf. Only a fool would trust their personal safety to people with such overpowering contempt for neighbors who would never do them harm yet harbor such dark, malicious ideations.

Controllers have generations to go before they can prove they desire to shed their baser fantasies and can be trusted with a monopoly on force.

discntnt_irny_srcsm

(18,479 posts)
7. But it is the nuances and minutiae...
Mon Jul 13, 2015, 11:20 AM
Jul 2015

...by virtue of the various proposed and existing bans and restrictions by which pro-control demonstrates that exact rejection of rights and disrespect for persons.

"Only a fool would trust their personal safety to people with such overpowering contempt for neighbors who would never do them harm yet harbor such dark, malicious ideations."

^^^ Well, exactly! ^^^

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