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Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:56 AM

 

The will of the people

Americans want safety from guns

When it comes to common-sense gun regulation, Washington and the American people are living on different planets.

Fully 92% of the voters surveyed in a new poll — including 86% of registered Republicans — support mandating background checks before gun purchases.

But Congress has stubbornly refused to extend this most basic precaution against gun violence to all firearms sales.

So the federal law that requires instant background checks in licensed gun stores continues to exempt gun shows and private deals, which account for an estimated 40% of all weapons sales.

http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/people-article-1.1859526

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Reply The will of the people (Original post)
SecularMotion Jul 2014 OP
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #1
ileus Jul 2014 #2
Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #3
Eleanors38 Jul 2014 #4
Jenoch Jul 2014 #5
gejohnston Jul 2014 #6
Jenoch Jul 2014 #7
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #25
hack89 Jul 2014 #8
DonP Jul 2014 #9
SecularMotion Jul 2014 #10
DonP Jul 2014 #11
SecularMotion Jul 2014 #12
oneshooter Jul 2014 #13
Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #14
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #15
DonP Jul 2014 #17
SecularMotion Jul 2014 #18
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #19
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #20
friendly_iconoclast Jul 2014 #21
blueridge3210 Jul 2014 #22
DonP Jul 2014 #23
Duckhunter935 Jul 2014 #24
IronGate Jul 2014 #29
IronGate Jul 2014 #30
Straw Man Jul 2014 #16
Nuclear Unicorn Jul 2014 #26
Lizzie Poppet Jul 2014 #27
flamin lib Jul 2014 #28
spin Jul 2014 #31

Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:20 AM

1. If Diane Feinstein had not poisoned the well

 

with her asinine "assault weapons ban" amendment this might have actually passed. But that would not serve to agitate the Democrat base as much as successful passage of legislation would have. What are your thoughts on Universal Background Checks w/o an amendment to ban "assault weapons"?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:10 AM

2. of course they meant not to lie about background checks.

continues to exempt gun shows and private deals...


They meant to say exempts private deals. Doesn't matter where they occur; gunshows, yardsales, facebook, forum BST group, fleamarket, co-workers...the list is endless. Why do they still insist on blurring the truth about gun shows???

Has some bill in congress been proposed that would ban private sales?

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:12 AM

3. "exempt gun shows"

 

well that's a lie as there is no exemption and I dare the anti-gun people to post a link to it.

The other side tried to attach too much other control shit into the legislation and it failed.

So, as a host that strictly enforces the SOP in your group, please respect the SOP here and comment on your daily google cut and paste drive by. It is the polite thing to do.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:36 AM

4. One can favor UBC, yet not trust the banners...

 

That can explain the "discrepancy." And I don't blame Americans for being hung up on the horns of this dilemma. Just check the daily pronouncements of controller/banners on DU. They are the face of "common sense," and are likely to remain so in their rigid conservatism, reliance on personal slurs and culture war, and promulgation of a distorted narrative.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:26 AM

5. I believe those using the "40%" of all gun sales

 

terminology need to cite a source. That figure has been repeated without citing a source so many times that most seem to brlieve it to be true.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #5)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:38 AM

6. comes from a 1994 survey

http://www.factcheck.org/2013/03/guns-acquired-without-background-checks/

Both of those statements were based on a single 1994 telephone survey on private gun ownership conducted by the Police Foundation and funded by the Justice Department. The survey asked the 251 participants who had acquired guns in the previous two years, “Was the person you acquired this gun from a licensed firearm dealer?” The answer choices were “yes,” “probably was/think so,” “probably not,” “no/definitely not,” “don’t know” and refuse to report. Cook and Ludwig found that 64.3 percent of those surveyed (Table 3.14) said that they had purchased or traded for a gun that came from a licensed dealer or “probably” did. The 40 percent figure comes from assuming that the remaining 35.7 percent — which has been rounded up — did not.
But with the exception of Biden, hardly anyone using the figure ever cautions that it may not be accurate, or, at the very least, that it was based on a survey of just a few hundred people in 1994, in which participants may have guessed whether they had acquired a gun that came from a licensed dealer. Instead, the number is quite often stated as fact when no one can say for certain.

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Response to gejohnston (Reply #6)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:42 AM

7. I'm aware of the 20 year old survey

 

and some report done in 1997 using the already outdated data. That's my point. Nobody is citing their 20 year old source. Even then, we don't know how accurate the data was.

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Response to Jenoch (Reply #7)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:01 AM

25. Plastics, paper and cans aren't the only thing that can be recycled.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:47 AM

8. Once Congressional Dems stop packaging UBCs with AWBs

and other unpopular measures, then UBCs will be passed.

Reid needs to lock Feinstein in a closet every time gun legislation is introduced.

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Response to SecularMotion (Original post)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:56 AM

9. Well, it's all over as of November then, right?

 

With "92% of Americans" agreeing with you, it should be no problem to sweep all the GOP and Dems from office that don't agree with you, right? A House and Senate with 100% gun control supporters. Any day now.

With Bloomberg's Billions of $ backing you, there's no way the puny and fading NRA can stand up to your righteous cause.

It must be pretty desperate when you swallow the crap that Bloomberg's minions shovel on your plate as if it were real.

But who you gonna' believe, Bloomberg or your lying eyes, that show gun control failing and gun ownership expanding?

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Response to DonP (Reply #9)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 12:05 PM

10. FTFY

 

With NRA's Billions of $ backing you, there's no way the puny Bloomberg can stand up to your righteous cause.

It must be pretty desperate when you swallow the crap that NRA's minions shovel on your plate as if it were real.

But who you gonna' believe, NRA or your lying eyes, that show gun ownership shrinking and gun control expanding?

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:34 PM

11. Oooh, look guys, it can type when it gets dsperate for relevance.

 

So Bloomberg is not backing gun control with $50 million plus this election cycle? More than the NRA has to spend?

He didn't outspend the NRA 6 to 1 in the Colorado recall and still lost his ass?

Boy, you are getting really pathetic with your Google dumps.

But you do remain a source of entertainment and ridicule and since your own forum seems dead to the DU universe, you might as well hang around the fringes here until our Host gets tired of your shenanigans. Besides, you have less than zero impact on the debate.

But cheer up, the violence you seem to think is inevitable, may tick up again some day, so you can point to it as proof about how scary gun owners are. For now though, with more concealed carry permits than ever, violence happily continues to fall.

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Response to DonP (Reply #11)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:48 PM

12. Please put me on ignore

 

I'm sorry you find the news items I share here to be so upsetting.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 05:55 PM

13. It seems to me that you are the "delicate flower" here.

By posting and running you do not have to discuss your posts, or defend your views.

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Response to oneshooter (Reply #13)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:50 PM

14. spot on

 

I am actually surprised he, she or it worked up the courage to actually respond.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 06:56 PM

15. Not upsetting.

 

You don't put enough thought into your "Google Dumps" to upset anyone. They might qualify as "asinine", "childish", "grade school" level but they most certainly do not qualify for upsetting.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #12)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:20 PM

17. Don't flatter yourself Ammophobe

 

Most of it is abysmally stupid and poorly sourced from amateur blogs and the like.

Using other people's words and cutting and posting an old cartoon and whining about anyone that disagrees with you over and over is the peak of your discussion skills it seems.

I did hear of another group that you might be happier in. It's run by a very unpleasant person who has a hissy spit over any discussion he doesn't agree with. Whats was the name of it? I can't remember now, maybe someone else can direct you to happier climes.

Being a sad ammophobic flower, without penile extensions per your fellow gun control fan, must be hard in the current climate for gun control. It's a shame that 92% never seem to show up at the polls, ain't it?

Hell, you can't even get Dem Senators, including Harry Reid, to support your ideas.

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Response to DonP (Reply #17)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 08:45 PM

18. Dem?

 

Is that a smear on Democrats or is that how they pronounce "them" in Chicago?

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:22 PM

19. It's a well-known contraction of "Democratic", but thanks for asking

 

You seem to be confused about whether you get to pass judgement on acceptable
posts here. Try this group instead, as it seems to be lacking in both number of posts
and posts from you in particular:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #19)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 09:23 PM

20. He's probably get blocked for violating the TOS. (NT)

 

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Response to blueridge3210 (Reply #20)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:10 PM

21. Seems to be "The will of the (DU) people" to not go there

 

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Response to friendly_iconoclast (Reply #21)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 10:12 PM

22. *snort* (nt)

 

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 01:00 AM

23. You know, sniveling and whining doesn't become you.

 

Not that anything I can think of would.

Go back to your own group, where no one will ever correct or disagree with your foolish cut & paste posts.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 07:21 AM

24. Oh get real and quit whining

 

you might be more happy in the echo chamber here if if you can not take any discussion. Seems to fit your beliefs that all most be drones without any individual thoughts. That is if you are not blocked as they so strickly enforce the SOP you seem to ignore in this group.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1262

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:11 PM

29. If this is all you got,

 

then you got nuthin.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #18)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:24 PM

30. "Dem" is a well known shortening of Democrats.

 

You seem to want to do nothing more than argue with members here instead of engage them honestly, I have to wonder what your motivation is.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #10)

Wed Jul 9, 2014, 07:02 PM

16. You've got your assets wrong.

With NRA's Billions of $ backing you, there's no way the puny Bloomberg can stand up to your righteous cause.

Bloomberg's net worth is over 30 billion. The NRA comes in at just under 200 million: not even a quarter of a billion. The real question is how much of Bloomberg's money he is willing to flush down the toilet in attempting to sway the "will of the people."

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Response to Straw Man (Reply #16)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:18 AM

26. Bloomberg is a billionaire who is very good at using his money to elect fellow Republicans

Yet, pro-2A Democrats are hounded for supposedly working against the Democratic party.

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 09:58 AM

27. "show gun ownership shrinking "

 

It takes a special kind of naive to think that's actually the case, and that the surveys purporting to show otherwise are not methodologically laughable.

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Response to Lizzie Poppet (Reply #27)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 02:02 PM

28. As I recall you're a pro in the research field.

So instead of making unsupported statements about methodology how about explaining what the flaws are?

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Response to SecularMotion (Reply #10)

Thu Jul 10, 2014, 05:06 PM

31. As I have explained before the statistics that show gun ownership is decreasing ...

is based on surveys that ask gun owners if they own guns.

If a stranger supposedly conducting a survey calls me on a phone or shows up at my door and asks me if I own firearms, why should I be totally honest and admit that I do?

My daughter worked for the last census and told me that she had a hard time getting people to tell her how many people lived in their home. She mentioned that she was damn glad she didn't have to ask if they owned firearms. She said, "I have had more than enough doors slammed in my face."

Many people harbor a significant distrust of government. A high percentage of gun owners seriously believe that eventually the government will try to ban and confiscate firearms and would prefer that their names do not appear on any list of gun owners.

However I realize that those who advocate strong gun control need some positive news to increase morale as most efforts to impose strong gun control laws (with a few exceptions in some states) have failed miserably. The myth that gun ownership is decreasing fits that bill.



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