Biden asks clergy to make moral argument on guns

[Eugene]

Source: Associated Press

Biden asks clergy to make moral argument on guns

AP foreign, Tuesday May 7 2013

JOSH LEDERMAN

Associated Press= WASHINGTON (AP) — Vice President Joe Biden is asking pastors, rabbis and nuns to help make the moral argument to their followers for gun control legislation.

Biden met for two-and-a-half hours with leaders from various faith communities. Participants emerged from the meeting encouraged that the Obama administration isn't giving up the fight even though efforts in the Senate so far have failed.

But round two on gun control may have to wait. Participants say it was clear from the meeting that another vote won't take place until after Congress finishes work on an immigration overhaul.

Participants say some clergy who represent evangelical and conservative communities had reservations about the legislation, especially about expanded background checks. But they say Biden and his aides reassured them the legislation isn't overly broad.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/feedarticle/10780480

[gejohnston]

1. seperation of church and state

So, why isn't Biden putting this much effort in say, chained CPI? Minimum wage? For example.

[NYC_SKP]

2. Social security protection, expansion of medical care...

Long list.

[Eleanors38]

10. ...dare I say it, freedom of choice.

[ileus]

3. They should want their flock safe and sound.

Now isn't the time to be regressive on the 2A.

[ZRT2209]

4. these "religious" people SICKEN me. Raping children. Endorsing guns.

hating on the black president.

THEY SICKEN ME.

[GreenStormCloud]

5. Futile efort.

The evangelical churches are the ones that are growing and they are the ones that have guns. Mainstream NCC churches have declining memberships.

[MotherPetrie]

6. Religions should NOT be doing the government's bidding.

Nobody is more anti-gun than I am. But what if we had a teabagger VP who believed Jesus APPROVED of arming everyone, and tried to push religious leaders to sway their flocks toward that way of thinking? Hell to the no.

[Tuesday Afternoon]

7. religion is the ruination of this country. if not the world. -

spirituality is not a bad thing but, has no place in the nuts and bolts, everyday running of a society.

I don't care what any preacher has to say about guns ,,, for or agin.

I have as much right to my thoughts and opinions as any preacher.

my vote holds the same power of one vote as the preacher.

[rl6214]

8. What happened to the separation of church and state?

[jimmy the one]

9. SC&S does not apply to biden's words

r. What happened to the separation of church and state

Biden is asking for their assistance, not demanding it.
The church(es) ask for govt assistance on occasion like when crime is committed on church property.
When clergy commit a 'sin' like child abuse, separation of C&S stops because a state rule has been broken. This is not the case when a simple plea for reasonable assistance is asked for, especially when the plea has majority religious support.
Had biden asked for churches to stop with the eucharistic communions because salmonella poisoning could develop, & there was no basis, then separation of C&S would apply.

Separation C&S is to separate church dogma from state dogma & keep one from obstructing the other, but when they overlap there is common ground... and no harm in 'asking'.

[hrmjustin]

11. My clergy speak out against gun violence and for fun control all the time.

Good for Biden!!!

[AtheistCrusader]

12. Why, do they make valid moral arguments on any other topic?

[Howzit]

13. Murder is already a sin and a crime

More laws are not going to help if someone is ignoring the most important one!