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William769

(55,147 posts)
Sun May 20, 2012, 04:47 PM May 2012

These times they are a changing.

Last edited Sun May 20, 2012, 07:42 PM - Edit history (3)

My great great grandfather was born 1779, my great grandfather was born in 1810, my grandfather was born in 1860, my father was born in 1900 and I was born in 1963.
With the recent death of my mother I have been reflecting on my families history and comparing it to the History of our nation and how different generations coped with the times.

My great great grandfather (Woodard) was born during the American Revolution (present day North Carolina). Although a baby during the revolution his generation would become a generation to help shape our new Country in it's infancy. As a young man he followed in Daniel Boone's footsteps by crossing the Cumberland Gap into the rich fertile lands of Kentucky. Kentucky got it's Statehood in 1792, he claimed his land in Knox County (present day Harlan County) and became a farmer. Was laid to rest in 1830.

My great grandfather (Alva-Byrd) expanded my great great grandfathers farm to start selling commercially to the residents of the town of Harlan. Also with the close ties between our family & the Cherokee nation, during the trail of tears he went to assist with helping the move of the Cherokee's to the west. While on this trip he met and eventually married my great grandmother Hialeah. They started a family back in Kentucky and their farm prospered. In 1862 he enlisted in the Union army and was killed at the the Battle Of the Wilderness in 1864.

My Grandfather (Felix) was born in 1860 and had a hard childhood with the premature death of his father that left his mother with young children to care for a large farm. Times were tough for the family during these years. His mother died on his 19th birthday and all land holdings went to him. He sold all the land in the valley Fertile farm land now known as present day Dressin) kept the land in King holler & surrounding mountain area & started a tree farming business. He met the love of his life my Grandmother (Lou-anna) & she bore him 14 children. They spent the remainder of their lives building the family business & supplying the local community with materials to build with. My Grandmother was laid to rest in 1932 and my Grandfather was laid to rest in 1938.

My father (Charlie) was born in 1900 to a large family and was the black sheep of the family he didn't fit in with the ways my grandfather wanted him to be. AT the age of 13 he ran away from home & never looked back or went back till after his parents death. During prohibition he ran moonshine from Harlan County to Detroit for many years. After prohibition & during the depression he worked in the factories in Detroit to send money back to Kentucky to help take care of his sisters in their families during these hard times. After WWII he quit working in the factories & took advantage of the post war boom and ran a gambling joint in Detroit. After meeting the woman of his dreams my Mother (Sharron) (she was many many years his younger)the only way she would marry him was he had to leave his private enterprise (gambling) settle down & start a family. They were wed in 1955 in her 20th year of life. They settled down in Middlesboro Kentucky to raise their family 6 Kids), after awhile they moved to Marco Island Florida. My father was laid to rest in 1982 and my mother was laid to rest this year 2012.

Just the ramblings of a Gay man and how the generations in my family helped shape America. If this is well received I will also write a piece on my life and how I hope my actions helped in a small way to help shape America for future generations of the LGBT community. It's nice to know where one's family tree has been & how it has branched out and to understand where it is going.

Thanks for reading
Bill

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These times they are a changing. (Original Post) William769 May 2012 OP
Excellent. We have nothing like that kind of history xchrom May 2012 #1
Same here Vanje May 2012 #2
Exactly! Sweden - the whole 9 yards. xchrom May 2012 #3
I can, to some extent HillWilliam May 2012 #5
We need to compare notes HillWilliam May 2012 #4
The Family hails from Black Mountain North Carolina way back when. William769 May 2012 #6
Get the hell out! HillWilliam May 2012 #8
My family tree is so big even in the fall when the leaves fall theres still no end to it. William769 May 2012 #10
Mine is loaded with Williamses and Smiths HillWilliam May 2012 #11
Heres a tid bit for you. William769 May 2012 #12
I wish I knew further back than my great great grandmother on my mother's side. Jamastiene May 2012 #7
The trails west trod largely across NC HillWilliam May 2012 #9
OK... WillParkinson May 2012 #13

Vanje

(9,766 posts)
2. Same here
Sun May 20, 2012, 05:54 PM
May 2012

My family history would read like this:

Land-Poor Broke Farmer emmigrates to America from Sweden, begats a bunch more Land-Poor Broke Farmers.

xchrom

(108,903 posts)
3. Exactly! Sweden - the whole 9 yards.
Sun May 20, 2012, 06:27 PM
May 2012

Just add orphans to the punch line - so there's a serious dead end.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
5. I can, to some extent
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:23 AM
May 2012

claim Norwegian. It surprised the heck out of me to find Norwegian settlers in NC. Even moreso that there's a direct line.

Hail, fellow Vikings! Uff da!!

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
4. We need to compare notes
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:21 AM
May 2012

My family history goes deep into the NC soil, back to the 1600s with Dutch ancestors settling around the Albemarle Sound. I got to visit the Old Home Place about three years ago.

My five and six g's granddads were Regulators. Six-g's granddad (Samuel Flake) was threatened with hanging by the British, but he still participated quietly in the Revolution. His son-in-law, John Smith, fought with his brother-in-law James Flake. On the other side, my 6g's granddad, John Glen, fought with Washington's troops at Braddock's Defeat, then came to NC to continue in the Revolution. His son, James Glen, fought with the Overmountain Men at King's Mountain.

The Flake, Glen/Glenn, and Merritt families figured in NC history presenting judges and members of the General Assembly. There is evidence that John Smith and Samuel Flake were present at the signing of the Mecklenburg Accord -- the first declaration of independence.

I have been gifted with stacks and stacks of documents, representing decades and decades of research.

Law, get me on to genealogy. I can go all night. Nothing will teach you history or connect you with the land as studying the amazing course of events that led to you being here at all.

Thanks for sharing, Bill. That's some pretty awesome stuff.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
8. Get the hell out!
Mon May 21, 2012, 09:47 AM
May 2012

I have long family ties into Black Mountain (you, me, and Roberta Flack, no? ) My gg-grandfather moved with some of his brothers from Mitchell County. Those are Glenns. My g-grandfather, Bob Glenn, built most of the houses around there; owned a huge chunk of land until the Depression. My lines there include Glenn, Golightly, and Swann. My g-ma lived there until the 1990s. I still have tons of cousins in Black Mountain.

(Yes, indeed, I am descended from an honest-to-dog Golightly from Mitchell County.)

No doubt our paths have crossed.

William769

(55,147 posts)
10. My family tree is so big even in the fall when the leaves fall theres still no end to it.
Mon May 21, 2012, 11:48 AM
May 2012

My parents had six kids, my grandparents had 14. It's been the norm up to this generation to have very large families.

I have several cousins that have made it their life's work doing genealogy, I have done a lot of research myself. We compare notes & keep records for our families future.

I am sad to say tho my mothers family tree is pretty much dead, she was born in Germany and her parents were anti Hitler and they fled to America when she a infant and from what we can gather during WWII her families history seemed to have been erased. I would love to be able to get any information on her family, but years of trying have had no results.

HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
11. Mine is loaded with Williamses and Smiths
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:24 PM
May 2012

on both sides, none kin to the other. Williams is the second-most common Welsh name after Jones. We know who the original Quaker dude was who immigrated to NC in the late-late 1600s. His land grant stretched from about where Seagrove is today to the Pee Dee River. He had 13 kids and his two eldest sons had 13 kids apiece. There remains a question whether our particular line springs from the eldest or next-eldest son. Needless to say, nearly every Williams in the Sandhills is out of one of those lines. Good luck untangling that tree, though.

The Glens are even trickier. When the original John Glen came over from Antrim in 1751, the surname only had one "n" as it had for centuries. He eventually settled around Lincolnton and had a pile of kids. Three wives, the third one finally wore him out at age 112. Some of those kids kept the original 1-n spelling while most adopted the 2-n spelling of the Glenns who settled from Lincolnton to York, SC. There are three separate clans of 2-n Glenns, none directly related to the other. Then just to piss off future genealogists, they intermarried.

My Glens are still unimaginative at first names. John, James, David, and Robert have been passed down -- as near as we can tell -- since the time of Robert the Bruce (who started our line by having a fling with a Jane Glen). Six generations of Irish (Scot) ancestors in Antrim and they went John, James, John, James, John, Ninian, John.

Whoa, back up.

Who TF thought up Ninian? Not another one for a thousand years. Well, it was a peg in the ground. He was the last of that line who stayed in Ireland, so I measure that line in BN and AN (Before Ninian and After Ninian )

I like to never got those dudes in a row. Then it went Robert, Stanhope (Stanhope???), William, Robert, then my paternal g-ma. We still don't go by first names much because you can throw a stick in Black Mountain and hit a Robert, David, or James Glenn. (All the Glenns in Black Mountain are kin to me.)

William769

(55,147 posts)
12. Heres a tid bit for you.
Mon May 21, 2012, 12:28 PM
May 2012

Do you know Gerald Fords birth name? Or where he hails from? A small world we live in.

Jamastiene

(38,187 posts)
7. I wish I knew further back than my great great grandmother on my mother's side.
Mon May 21, 2012, 05:12 AM
May 2012

It goes back to her and and she only had one name, no last name. She was part Tuscarora, from the part of the tribe that stayed in eastern NC with Chief Blount. The official Tuscarora Nation rejects anyone who has ancestors who stayed in NC when they moved to NY, because they see Chief Blount as a traitor to the nation, or something like that. I do know that somewhere in there, one of my great great great (I have no clue how far back) grandmothers was black.

So, that's all of my history that I know on my mother's side. My mother said it was matrilineal (I have no clue how to spell it) DNA or something like that that she traced. It is only the females in the family that she traced back.

It is interesting how many of us here have ties to NC or are from NC. Mine are mostly in central NC and what they call "down east" NC, which is really just the southeastern part of NC.

My grandfather's side of the family was much easier to trace. That side of the family goes back to Somerset, England. Apparently, some members of my family were knights and actually had a coat of arms.

I haven't a clue who my father was. My mother gave me at least 2 different stories and names and his name isn't on my birth certificate. She refuses to tell me anything other than he was an alcoholic and drug addict. Not his favorite color or anything like that, just that he had addiction troubles.

If my mother decides she doesn't want to tell you something, you won't get it out of her...except I stole her meatloaf recipe when she wasn't paying attention by watching her cook one. She would not give me the recipe. I had begged for it for years. Finally, I got her talking while she was cooking a meatloaf and memorized what she did. Now, I can make a good meatloaf too.



HillWilliam

(3,310 posts)
9. The trails west trod largely across NC
Mon May 21, 2012, 10:00 AM
May 2012

I've done progression studies, watching where other lines from my family tree wound up. What's now I-40 was a buffalo trail that the natives used for trade. White folks started following that trail. The trail branched around what's now Asheville into Tennessee and Alabama. I've followed surnames from Bertie and Halifax Counties through the mountains, thence to Alabama, then Texas. There's a trail that went into southern Ohio along the ridge. I have ancestors that trod both directions.

My mountain folk are Melungeon (I got that knot on the back of my head and big front teefs). The Melungeons are a derived people; some English, some Irish, some Native, some Portuguese, some African, some G'd knows what. That partly explains my olive complexion and being real dark in places where whiteboys ain't dark LOL Another explanation for that came when mom had our matrilineal DNA done. We're U5A, fairly rare; one of the first lines out of Africa. That hapolgroup is now found mostly among the Saami people in Norway (basically Inuit).

I sure as hell didn't inherit any of those Norwegian "deal with the cold" genes. Anything below 75 to me is WINTER.

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