Israel’s Propaganda Minister: Arabs are a deplorable nation

[Scurrilous]

srael’s Propaganda and Diaspora Minister, Yuli Edelstein, said the Arabs are a “deplorable nation.” His spokesman: He meant every one of them

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"Israel’s Propaganda and Diaspora Minister, Yuli Edelstein, told a crowd in a public diplomacy event in Or Yehuda that “as long as the Arab nation continues to be a deplorable nation, which continues investing in infrastructure for terrorism, education to hate, and welfare for the families of shaheeds (martyrs), there will be no peace.” It can be seen in his Facebook page, here (Hebrew). The Hebrew epithet used by Edelstein to describe Arabs – &#1504;&#1508;&#1505;&#1491; – is rather difficult to translate: I put it as “deplorable” but it can also mean “morally bankrupt.”

I phoned the minister’s office for comment, and asked his spokesman: “Are you aware of the fact there are some 80 million Arabs in the world, from Sudan to Syria?” He replied: “Yes, there are – and the minister meant them all.”

So there you have it: Israel’s Propaganda Minister (in Hebrew, he is called the Minister of Hasbara) believes each and every Arab is involved in rather deplorable actions. Seems that’s all you do, if you’re born an Arab. Why did his spokesman go an extra mile in confirming Edelstein’s comment? Possibly because Edelstein is a Yisrael Beitenu minister, and such comments play well with that base."

http://972mag.com/israels-propaganda-minister-arabs-are-a-deplorable-nation/31324/

[sabbat hunter]

1. the proper translation to english is information not propaganda

I am also unable to find any independent corroboration of this news report

[Scurrilous]

2. Minister: Arabs are 'a Lowly Nation

http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/151071#.TvtdbTWXSIA

[bemildred]

3. I believe the complaint being made is about this: "Israel’s Propaganda Minister".

The use of "Propaganda" for "Information" in the translation. Which given what he seems to have said, while inaccurate, seems correct.

As I have often expatiated here on the pitfalls of casual translations, to put it kindly, I am happy to see this issue come up.

[azurnoir]

4. IMO simply leaving it at Hasbara minister would have done quite nicely

and said all that needed saying

[bemildred]

12. Indeed.

These little disputes about what to call things do get tiresome. The_Magistrates old sig line comes to mind.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. Which old sig line was that?

I've got a memory like a sieve these days!

[bemildred]

34. The one about how things must be called by their right names ...

It's much too long for my brain to try to reconstruct right now ...

[Mosby]

5. The Nazi reference was used on purpose

In his replies:

Monday,
December 26, 2011
10:26 am
Oh, I fully stand by “Ministry of Propaganda.” I refuse to use the Zionist euphemism

A formal goverment title is hardly a "euphemism"

[ProgressiveProfessor]

6. Indeed not their first cheap shot

[Mosby]

8. jury voted 4-2 to leave it

One of the jurors even lectured me about how it was not a nazi reference and told me to read a book by edward bernays!

Bernays daughter said that her father thought the publics democratic judgement was "not to be trusted" and had to be guided (by smart people like her dad I guess). She said her dads political philosophy was "enlightened despotism"

He worked for the united fruit company that overthrew the guatemalan democratic gov.

Even goebbels himself used his books for reference, the man was one of the worst propagandists in american history and that is who the DUer on the jury thought I should read!

[ProgressiveProfessor]

9. Leaving it is fine by me

Clearly shows the bias of the source and the poster

[azurnoir]

15. you seem to be suggesting that Scurrilous has Nazi bias's

oh BTW during the third reich era in Germany it was "the ministry of enlightenment and propaganda" other countries have had ministries with propaganda in the name also the USSR,Brazil, and Ireland also have

[Mosby]

16. You rec'd it, what does that say about you, ms. host?

[azurnoir]

31. I reced it but am the host of what ?

I do not host any forum but thanx until your post I did not know you could find out who reced which thread interesting as ProIsrael thread do not seem to get as many recs even though the comments support the thread

however you are still making nazi insinuations which are based on your own tenuous claims

[Mosby]

35. Sorry I was wrong - you are #6 on the GD waiting list for Host

Good Luck!

[Violet_Crumble]

32. I'd take a wild stab and think it says Az has a problem with the bigotry of that Israeli minister...

btw, Az isn't a host of any group or forum that I'm aware of...

[Violet_Crumble]

39. Hey, I just rec'd it as well, and you can call me Ms Host!

Y'know what I find a bit on the strange side? Earlier when asked what you thought of the bigoted anti-Arab comments of the Israeli Minister, even though there's two articles in this thread about it, you refused to comment, yet you've got no problems making comments about who rec'd the thread and other trivial stuff. Priorities, hey?

[bemildred]

13. Are you referring to the Nazi slur in the 4th paragraph?

Or the use of "Minister of Propaganda"?

I think that "Minister of Propaganda", while definitely a slur, is more Orwell/Stalin/Sarcasm, as opposed to Nazi/Kafka/Goebbels/BaghdadBob sort of thing, a matter of style.

The one in the 4th paragraph is unambiguous, though the link it goes to is broke, and if you track it down it leads to some video.

[Mosby]

14. I think most all Nazi references are inappropriate

including calling russian settlers or the IDF Nazis. The author of the OP however is pretending that the government official's title is something it's not, and that is very wrong, it's not just about the nazi reference it's about journalistic integrity and honesty.

[bemildred]

17. Well, they don't add much to the discussion.

But lots of people on both sides do seem to find them fascinating and fun all the same.

[shira]

28. Gurvitz has routinely labeled settlers as Judeo Nazis. n/t

[Scurrilous]

10. I'm still waiting for the comments...

..about Yuli Edelstein calling Arabs a 'deplorable nation.'

Once the translation ruckus dies down, maybe someone will chime in about that.

[bemildred]

11. Not without a winch, I would think ... nt

[azurnoir]

18. I think the comments on this thread speak volumes

what have we seen here a tenuous link to Nazism via the same word being used in the the ministry named here that being propaganda never mind it is not the name of the nazi ministry as claimed and that the word has been used by countries other than nazi era Germany

Then we have a poster insinuating that you yourself are a nazi sympathizer

and an actual nazi slur in the article which interpreted for us as the author is calling the ultra-orthodox nazi's but a quick Google on the subject will confirm my first impression it is the ultra-orthodox that have been calling both Israeli police and IDF nazi's

then we also have a poster calling you out so to speak because you used a source to confirm what was said in your OP that you have said you do not like being allowed here presumably as an OP source

all in all it says a great deal more that I think is intended

[Mosby]

19. Yeah, it says that people like you don't mind when others use Nazi references.

"Speaks Volumes" indeed.

[Violet_Crumble]

21. I'm curious to know why you haven't commented on the 'Arabs are a deplorable nation' comments...

You've posted multiple times in this thread, and have yet to say a word about the bigoted comments of that Israeli Minister. So I'd like to know what yr thoughts on it are...

[Mosby]

24. Fair enough, but I'm sorry I won't comment on the substance

of a thread like this.

I can't get past the nazi reference.

[Violet_Crumble]

26. Anti-Arab bigotry just isn't that important, I guess

btw, I've posted in yr thread in the Help forum about nazi references, so if you want to continue that discussion there, feel free

[King_David]

37. +1

[EFerrari]

38. Maybe you should stop getting in your own way, then. nt

[Violet_Crumble]

40. Pretty good advice...

Good to see you down here, EFerrari

[azurnoir]

22. IMO the Nazi referrence was to what ultra-orthodox Jewish Israeli's call Israeli police and IDF

and your comment seems to be calling me out as a nazi sympathizer also

[King_David]

36. +1

[Scurrilous]

20. Deplorable.

[azurnoir]

23. shameful vile

and a couple others I forgot oh wait filth that's it

[azurnoir]

27. so first I have according to you I have a nazi "bias" now I make light of the Holocaust

no what the the poster I was addressing and I were doing was making light of adjectives frequently hurled at various Pro-Palestinian posters on this forum. however on this thread the accusations of being nazi sympathizers are being hurled in mannor that makes me think the rules of this forum no longer matter at all as such accusations are against those rules, however apparently the jury system has rendered those rules quite null and void


as to your accusations of nazi references in the OP first the very tenuous claim about the ministry of Hasbara being called the ministry of propaganda the nazi ministry was called the "ministry of enlightenment and propaganda" however countries other than Germany have also had ministries of propaganda as I have already pointed out

as to the claims about the ultra-orthodox they are documented as calling both Israeli police and IDF nazi's and the particular wording "go back to russia" now if it had read go back to Crown Heights or Borough Park I may have thought it had a different but as it stands it seemed to be quoting the orthodox themselves

[King_David]

7. Ha Ha , so Arutz Sheva is now ok ?

LOL


Heres What you said about Arutz Shevah:


http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=512

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Scurrilous (21,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

10. I have some comments.
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And oh yeah..nuke Arutz Sheva.





and here:



http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1134&pid=273





azurnoir (16,338 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

8. It was the most RW thing I could think of off hand that wasn't an out right hate site or blog

Arutz Sheva is already allowed
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Response to azurnoir (Reply #8)
Tue Dec 13, 2011, 03:48 AM
Scurrilous (21,830 posts) Profile Journal Send DU Mail Ignore

10. From DU3's TOS:

"Democratic Underground is an online community for politically liberal people who understand the importance of working within the system to elect more Democrats and fewer Republicans to all levels of political office. Teabaggers, Neo-cons, Dittoheads, Paulites, Freepers, Birthers, and right-wingers in general are not welcome here."

If right-wingers and neo-cons aren't allowed here, neither should their blogs, websites, etc. IMO.

[Violet_Crumble]

29. Yuli Edelstein is a disgusting bigot...

Apologies to all for actually addressing what the OP is about!

[Scurrilous]

33. No apology (nor winch) needed. n/t

[Violet_Crumble]

41. After reading up about him, I've got a lot worse to call him than a Propaganda Minister...

I'm wondering who I should send the list to for clearance just in case it offends anyone who's more concerned about him getting called names than the disgusting stuff he said about Arabs?

[LeftishBrit]

42. Like others, I don't like the misrepresentation of his title

But I also don't like him, or his party.

Here are some comments from a year or so ago by Jeff Barak:

http://www.jpost.com/Opinion/Columnists/Article.aspx?id=169865