(NOT The Onion) UNESCO to vote on Jewish connection with the Temple Mount

[shira]

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Can the UN be more irrelevant? Or antisemitic in denying Jewish history?

I'm sure they can, but this one's a doozy.

The subject of the Jewish connection with the Temple Mount has once again been returned to the UN as Palestinians and Jordanians seek to repudiate Jewish affinity with any part of the compound.

more...
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4826294,00.html

[MousePlayingDaffodil]

1. One would think that the name . . .

"Temple Mount" would be a dead giveaway.

[COLGATE4]

2. This is pure Alice in Wonderland material.

[Mosby]

3. It's only going to get worse

We live in a world of narratives that have little or nothing to do with actual history.

Abraham was a Muslim who offered up his son Ishmael to Allah.

Jesus of Nazareth was a Palestinian Muslim.

The Zionists are fake Jews (kazars) who came from Europe and stole Muslim land.


The fake Jews have been planting archaeological evidence in order to judaize Israel and Jerusalem.

The few indegenous Jews of the Levant lived in peace with the Muslims for thousands of years.

I could go on and on.

Eta I think the Israelis should let UNESCO know that because of this revisionist history they are going to let Jews and Christians pray on the Temple Mount.

Let them deal with the riots in Paris and London.

[Little Tich]

4. There are some people still peddling the false narrative that Palestinians aren't "from" Palestine

and that they're not the direct descendants of the original population there, which then translates to them not having any rights to their land.

While I think the false narratives on your list are deplorable, it's important that we understand that the false narratives that erase "the other" are used by both sides.

[Little Tich]

5. Is there any link to the actual draft?

The whole article seems to be based on rumors. For example, it would be much more logical that Jordan was calling for a return to the status quo after 1967, not before. Israel has tried to change the status quo recently, which led to demonstrations and stabbings, if anyone remembers...

It's quite possible that Jordan is trying to curb Israeli ambitions on the Temple Mount and the Old City, rather than trying to erase Jewish history.

[leftynyc]

7. Bullshit

They were RUMORED to change the status quo - nothing was announced, nothing was said, nothing was done. Just more fodder for those who are LOOKING for a reason to be violent.

[Little Tich]

8. Seems to me that the riots were indeed caused by Israel trying to change the status quo:

MKs propose bill to allow Jewish prayer on Temple Mount
Source: Ynet News, 18.05.14

Labor and Likud members join bid to push controversial legislation to open up Temple Mount compound for Jewish prayer, currently permitted for only for Muslims.

Labor and Likud MKs have joined forces on a new bill that proposes to allow Jews to pray at the Temple Mount compound - for the first time since the destruction of the Second Temple, as Jews are currently barred from praying at the site.

MK Miri Regev (Likud) and MK Hilik Bar (Labor) are expected to introduce the bill for discussion in the Knesset. It aims to extend freedom of worship on the Temple Mount to the level allowed in Hebron's Cave of the Patriarchs, where Jews and Muslims share the holy site.

Last April, dozens of Arab youths, some masked, rioted on the Temple Mount, throwing stones and fire crackers at security forces deployed to the scene. The clashes led to the compound being closed to visitors and the arrests of dozens suspected of violent acts. Such scenes constantly reoccur in the compound.

Given that any development related to the flashpoint location could result in wide-spread Palestinian unrest, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu will likely try to torpedo the proposal.

Read more: http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4520843,00.html

[FBaggins]

9. So... what's your take on that?

Are you in favor of a scheme where only people of a certain faith are permitted to pray in a particular geographic location?

[Little Tich]

10. This is not an issue about equal religious rights - it's about Judaizing Jerusalem.

If it were, then Israel could make laws guaranteeing equal religious rights for everyone, including non-Jews. But that would force Israel to treat non-Jewish religions and its adherents equally, which would be against the core values of the Jewish state.

If Israel introduced the right to Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount as a part of equal religious rights I would of course support it. But this issue is only about Judaizing Jerusalem, which I'm totally against.

[leftynyc]

11. How pathetic

Everyone in Israel DOES have equal religious rights. Nobody gets arrested for having a Koran (like they do in some Muslim countries for having a Christian bible), nobody stops any religion from praying whereever they like (unlike the Palestinians who demand that only Muslims have the right to pray on the Temple Mount). The ONLY ones denying religious freedom are the Muslims that control the Temple Mount (a really stupid thing for Israel to have agreed to).

Judaizing Jerusalem? One, a disgusting term that in no way presents what the issue is - that the Muslims FORBID anyone but a Muslim from praying - you could get ARRESTED for merely closing your eyes on the mount and you STILL blame Israel for the problem. I guess it's better than when you used to pretend you were neutral. Where is your outrage about UNESCO trying to deny the Jewish history of the Temple Mount? Aren't you even going to pretend?

[Little Tich]

14. I don't think it's right to compare Israel to some unspecified (Arab? Muslim?) country.

I prefer to compare Israel to the US, even though it would put Israel on par with the Jim Crow era South, at best.

There are no equal religious rights in Israel or the occupied territories. Quite recently, a lot of Palestinians had their permits to visit their holy city revoked at Ramadan, and every year Christians are barred from Jerusalem during Easter. In Israel the Jewish religion is prioritized, and other religions get less or even no state funding. In the US, this would be completely illegal, and funding for religion would have to be spent equally. In the US, it would also be illegal to prevent people from accessing their holy places. Unfortunately, Israeli Arabs or Palestinians living in the occupied territories don't have anything like the US Constitution. The Judaizing of Jerusalem continues, and the Arab population there are living under Apartheid conditions.


Palestinians warn Israel over Easter restrictions
Source: Al Jazeera, 3 APRIL 2015

After annual difficulty accessing religious sites, Palestinians vow to pursue 'other means' if restrictions continue.

Read more: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/features/2015/04/palestinians-warn-israel-easter-restrictions-150403054811870.html


UN says Israeli ban on Palestinian entry may be collective punishment
Source: The Telegraph, 10 JUNE 2016

Israel's cancellation of entry permits for Palestinians may amount to collective punishment, which is banned under international law, the United Nations' top human rights official said on Friday.

Read more: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/10/israel-bars-all-palestinians-following-tel-aviv-shooting/


Judaization of Jerusalem
Source: Wikipedia

Judaization of Jerusalem (Arabic: تهويد القدس??, tahweed il-quds; Hebrew: יהוד ירושלים??, yehud yerushalaim) is a term used to describe the view that Israel has sought to transform the physical and demographic landscape of Jerusalem towards a fundamentally Jewish city under Israeli sovereignty.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judaization_of_Jerusalem

[leftynyc]

21. How adorable of you

trying to change the subject - yet again. The subject is what you claimed - that Israel, by merely wanting to engage in religious freedom by being allowed to pray on the mount was doing something dangerous and insulting. MEANWHILE, it's actually the Palestinians who don't allow religious freedom and while I understand why it's inconvenient to discuss that from your side, it's nothing but BULLSHIT to try and change the subject to collective punishment. And it's bullshit to claim that Arab Israeli's don't have the exact same rights as Israelis. Complete utter bullshit.

Gee - I couldn't possibly have guessed that disgusting, repulsive term Judaization of Jerusalem had an Arabic root. Oh and I say this for the bazzilionth time - fuck the UN.

[King_David]

13. Judaizing Jerusalem?

What's next ?
Catholicizing the Vatican ?
Islamicising Mecca and Medina ?

[Little Tich]

16. Jerusalem is a holy city for three major religions, and no preference should be given to only one of

them.

Nor should Israel actively discriminate against the Arabs living in East Jerusalem.

East Jerusalem 2015: Facts and Figures
Source: Association for Civil Rights in Israel, May 2015
(snip p4)

Poverty and Welfare
The poverty rate in East Jerusalem has reached alarming dimensions. This is a result of the severe neglect by authorities and is framed against the backdrop of the continuous political conflict.

For almost five decades, the Israeli authorities – including the Jerusalem municipality – refrained from investing adequate budgets in the Palestinian neighborhoods and even
imposed restrictions on the development of East Jerusalem as an urban unit serving the Palestinian public. The outcome is a labor market that does not match the size of the
population, very limited areas for industry and a weakened education system. The language and culture gaps between the eastern and western areas of the city and the political tensions between Arabs and Jews further restrict the occupational horizon of the Palestinian residents.

In recent years, the poverty levels in East Jerusalem have become further exacerbated. In 2006, 64% of Palestinians in Jerusalem lived below the poverty line, whereas by 2013 the rate rose to 75.4%.

A key reason for this exacerbation is the construction of the Separation Barrier, which severed Jerusalem from the West Bank, separated neighborhoods and suburbs that had previously been connected and interdependent and even cut off several Jerusalem neighborhoods from other parts of the city. The severing of economic, commercial, religious, familial and touristicties has worsened the socioeconomic situation and also hindered access to education, healthservices, religious institutions and more.

Read more: http://www.acri.org.il/en/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/EJ-Facts-and-Figures-2015.pdf

[King_David]

17. Jerusalem is the number ONE Holy city for the Jewish people

Mecca and Medina is the number one And two holy cities for Islam I'm not sure where Jerusalem fits in numerically and for Christians or Bhuddists or Hindus or Jain or Bahai or Rastafarians or Atheists or Scientologist I'm pretty sure Jerusalem is an important city too...

[Little Tich]

19. I think it's wrong to discriminate against people based on their ethnicity and/or religion.

If Israel had the same laws about discrimination as the US, there would be no Judaizing of Jerusalem, all religions would be treated equally, and Jews would be allowed to pray on the Temple Mount. Also, there would be no reason for Jordan to put any kind of draft decision about Jerusalem on the table.

[leftynyc]

22. Then where is your outrage

about the Palestinians now allowing anyone but Muslims to pray on the Mount - they arrest people for merely closing their eyes? I've certainly never seen it and just below you try and deflect from that inconvenient truth by changing the subject - yet again. It's getting pretty pathetic watching you continue to do this time and time again.

[Little Tich]

27. The argument that this is about equal rights is false, and is one I've seen before.

It's a common ploy among Scandinavian neo-fascists and other racists to use the equal rights analogy to promote "equal" rights that only benefit the already privileged. For me, this is just an Israeli version of what I see all the time.

Do you ever wonder why the Israeli right-wingers rally around this issue, when they're not exactly known for their support of equal rights otherwise? If this was about equal rights, why don't they promote a law that removes the elevated status of the Jewish religion and demand that all religions in Israel receive equal treatment?

[leftynyc]

29. Are you fucking kidding me with this crap?

Israel - to accommodate the MUSLIM religious freaks that would go to freeking war over the very thought of Jews closing their eyes on the Temple Mount - tell Jews not to pray there. And you find fault with ISRAEL for that bullshit. When they would be well within their rights to tell the Muslims to go fuck themselves, tell all the Jews to pray and arrest anyone who dares to stop them? Your argument could be the most pathetic bullshit I've ever seen posted here and I've seen quite a lot of pathetic bullshit. Israel is the ONLY country in the neighborhood that goes out of its way to accommodate their Muslim minority. At the expense of Jews not being able to pray on the Temple Mount so they don't find yet another pathetic excuse to get violent and go to war.

[Little Tich]

30. If I'm only kidding, it would be quite easy to prove that Israel treats non-Jewish religions and its

adherents equally.

BTW, be careful with the apopleptics - the bar for what justifies hiding a post is lower than it used to be.

[leftynyc]

31. I ALREADY proved it

They're so accommodating to their Muslim minority they don't allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount just because they may have a freeking hissy fit about it an use it as their latest excuse to kill people. Let them hide my post. I said what needed to be said to counter complete bullshit.

[6chars]

32. Muslims are allowed at the Western Wall

doesn't fit the narrative, does it?

[leftynyc]

34. Muslim are allowed to pray ANYWHERE

That's why I had to fight back against the bullshit. I also had no idea people here didn't realize that Jews don't have a head of their religion - congregations are free to follow their own rabbi - or not.

[6chars]

35. Rabbi literally means "my teacher"

[leftynyc]

36. I pointed that out above

The ignorance of this startled me.

[6chars]

37. it is tough when people have both ignorance and strong feelings

on a subject.

[Israeli]

39. Sure they are 6chars...

Whilst women wearing kippot arent .......

Protest Prayer Held at Western Wall Over Eviction of Woman Wearing Kippa

Representing three major streams of Judaism, women protested for right to pray at holy site, against 'appropriation of Judaism' by a 'small group of extremist Jews.'

Eetta Prince-Gibson Jul 08, 2015

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/.premium-1.665096

Equality my tachat .

[leftynyc]

41. Good for all those women

Unless I'm missing something I'm supposed to be outraged at (other than at religious misogynist freaks), I'm missing your point. I'm grateful they can protest without getting arrested or killed.

[Israeli]

49. Wrong again .....

3 women arrested while praying at Western Wall in 24 hours

Source: http://972mag.com/breaking-3-women-arrested-while-praying-at-western-wall-in-last-24-hours/57856/

[leftynyc]

52. You're going to have to

find another source before I'll pay attention. You know this. I consider that source nothing but lying, propaganda crap.

[Israeli]

59. Howz about you contact Anat Hoffman....

.....and ask her yourself ???

Here let me help you once again .....

Anat Hoffman
Chair of the Board

Anat Hoffman is the executive director of the Israel Religious Action Center, the legal and advocacy arm of the Reform Movement in Israel. Previously, she held a seat on the Jerusalem City Council, where for fourteen years she stood in opposition to the policies of the city’s right-wing and ultra-Orthodox administration. She has dedicated her adult life to the Jewish principle of tikkun olam, which literally means repairing the world.

Source : http://www.womenofthewall.org.il/board-and-staff/

Contact details :
http://www.womenofthewall.org.il/conatct/

[leftynyc]

60. Where is the report on the ARREST?

Your link doesn't say anything about an ARREST. Neither do the other sources at the multiple links about the event.

[leftynyc]

54. Your piece of crap source

is the only one talking about an arrest. This article says they were escorted to the taxi line and an apology was issued. No wonder you like that source.

Edited to add link

http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/israel-news/western-wall-rabbis-apology-kippah-incident-does-little-ease-religious-tensions

[Israeli]

62. Wrong again .....

.....just Google " Israel + women of the wall arrested " .

I keep telling you leftynyc.....I dont need sources , I live here and have done for 66 years .
I saw the arrests on the evening news .....when they happened , each and every time .

[leftynyc]

64. That's EXACTLY

what I did and came up with the 4 sources I listed which say nothing about an arrest. If the sources are so ubiquitous on this story, why can't you simply supply the link to the newspaper or video of the news report? You saying you must know because you live there is like those people in TX who are sure the empty Wal-marts are secret FEMA camps - because after all, rush limbaugh told them so.

[Israeli]

66. Howz about you contact Anat Hoffman.... .....and ask her yourself ???

Please be in touch! We love hearing from supporters and activists from Israel and abroad.

For groups in Israel interested in meeting with a representative from WOW get more information.

For media inquiries

For administrative assistance

Mailing address: Women of the Wall P.O. Box 31936 Jerusalem, 91319 Israel Tel: [phone] Fax: [phone]

Join us on Social Networks: Facebook | Twitter | Flickr | Youtube

TAKE
ACTION

Source : http://www.womenofthewall.org.il/conatct/

[leftynyc]

55. ALL these sources

show the lie in your pathetic source

http://www.timesofisrael.com/woman-barred-from-western-wall-for-wearing-skullcap/

http://forward.com/news/breaking-news/311495/report-woman-denied-entrance-to-western-wall-for-wearing-kippah

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4677153,00.html


Your propaganda source is the ONLY one speaking of an arrest.

[6chars]

42. The point was about equal treatment of faiths

Not about a dress code.

[Israeli]

50. Nope....

The point was about equality for all ........there isnt any 6chars.

[leftynyc]

53. I'll put Israel's record up against

ANY of it's neighbors - even against many countries in the West when it comes to freedom of religion and you're truly barking up the wrong tree looking for Democrats who will trash Israel for this while remaining silent on its neighbors. You wish people judged Israel in a bubble of ignorance but that's ridiculous.

[6chars]

56. follow the thread

One poster: 'If I'm only kidding, it would be quite easy to prove that Israel treats non-Jewish religions and its adherents equally."

Another poster: 'They're so accommodating to their Muslim minority they don't allow Jews to pray on the Temple Mount'

Me: 'Muslims are allowed to pray at the Western Wall'

The thread was about faiths, about Islam and Judaism and Israel and so forth, there was no mention at all about women - you brought that in to just show fault with Israel in some way, since you could not find fault with Israel's treatment of Muslims in this regard.

Basically hijacking.

[leftynyc]

61. Deflection is part of the MO

of those who are loathe to admit that Israel is heads and shoulders above its neighbors when it comes to human rights, women's rights, gay rights. That ONLY Israel (among it's neighbors) allows freedom of religion. I think it makes the deflectors look like fools but whatever. I post 4 different links about that event - none of which speak of an arrest. Only that propaganda crap site reports that.

[Israeli]

63. I'm a post zionist 6chars.....

....nothing concerns us more than equality for all Israeli citizens .....no matter their color, creed , religion or gender.

see : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-Zionism

Political characteristics

Mainly after the Oslo Accords, a new movement started amongst a large section of left-wing Israelis who believe that the state of Israel should no longer declare itself to be a Jewish democratic state and should rather focus on its democratic aspects. This movement seeks to create social equality in Israel.

See : http://www.democraticunderground.com/1134131031

post #2 .....

Quote : ....

Those of us committed to a vision of Israel as a democracy that offers complete equality to all of its citizens — as envisioned in the Declaration of Independence — must redouble our efforts. This government is considering additional moves to stifle critics of their policies. Not only are Israelis’ freedom of expression on the line, so is Israel’s standing as a liberal democracy.

[6chars]

65. irrelevant to this thread

it is obvious what you are doing.

[Israeli]

67. Equality for all Israeli citizens is "irrelevant" ......

....

[6chars]

68. And what about the Kurds?

Why are you leaving them out of this thread? Do they not deserve a homeland? And what about children in rural Cambodia? Are they getting enough to eat? Do they have proper medical care?

It's all relevant. But not in this thread.

[Israeli]

69. Some posts are just not worth responding to ..........

............they make no sense .

[Little Tich]

44. If your argument is that Israel doesn't give preferential treatment to the Jewish religion and its

adherents, then you're wrong. It's easy to prove that Israel discriminates against non-Jewish religions and their adherents, and that Israel gives preferential treatment and funding to the Jewish religion and its adherents. I don't know how much you know about religious rights in the US, but the things Israel does wouldn't be allowed in the US. I think the US system of civil rights is a good standard that other countries should be judged against. As the argument here is about access to holy places, I'll provide a few examples of the actual discrimination in that regard, which isn't phony unlike the "Jewish prayer on the Temple Mount" argument.

2012 Report on International Religious Freedom: Israel and The Occupied Territories - The Occupied Territories
Source: US Department of State, May 20, 2013

The process by which the Israeli government granted Palestinians access to various sectors of the Occupied Territories at times involved de facto discrimination based on religion. The Israeli government made some accommodations for Palestinian Christians in the West Bank to access Jerusalem for religious purposes, granting 20,000 permits without age restrictions for West Bank Christian Palestinians to visit Israel during Christmas. Israeli authorities issued 500 permits to members of Gaza’s Christian community under the age of 16 and over the age of 35 to enter Israel, Jerusalem, and the West Bank for religious reasons and family visits during Christmas. However, it did not issue permits to all members of a family, which may have reduced the overall number of permits used, as some families opted not to be separated during the holidays. It issued no permits for Gazans between 16 and 35 years of age.

Israel made few accommodations for Palestinian Muslims to enter Jerusalem for religious purposes. The Israeli human rights organization Gisha filed an appeal in February 2011 on behalf of four Gazan Muslims above the age of 40 who were denied permits to enter Jerusalem to pray at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount during the Prophet Mohammed’s birthday in 2011. Gisha argued that Israel categorically rejected requests from Gazan Muslims and was obligated to set reasonable criteria that allow Muslims from Gaza to travel in areas under Israeli control for purposes of prayer. An Israeli court in August rejected Gisha’s argument and accepted the premise that the state’s obligation to Gazans is limited to permitting travel in “exceptional humanitarian cases.” The court imposed court costs on Gisha and the plaintiffs of 25,000 NIS ($6,250).

Read more: http://www.state.gov/j/drl/rls/irf/2012/nea/208394.htm


Under heavy guard, minister visits West Bank shrine
Soure: Times of Israel, June 1, 2016

Aryeh Deri prays, sings and dances at Joseph’s Tomb in Nablus

In the early hours of Tuesday morning, under heavy army guard, Interior Minister Aryeh Deri visited the Jewish holy site of Joseph’s Tomb in the West Bank city of Nablus.

Accompanied by fellow Shas party member MK Yoav Ben-Tzur and Petah Tivka Deputy Mayor Uriel Boso, Deri was seen praying, singing and dancing at the shrine revered by Jews as the burial site of the biblical patriarch Joseph.

Read more: http://www.timesofisrael.com/under-heavy-guard-minister-visits-west-bank-shrine/


A Statement from the Patriarchs and Heads of Churches in Jerusalem, concerning the Israeli police measures on Holy Saturday- May 2013
Source: Churches for Middle-East Peace (CMEP), Saturday, May 11, 2013

We, the Heads of Churches in Jerusalem, watched with sorrowful hearts the horrific scenes of the brutal treatment of our clergy, people, and pilgrims in the Old City of Jerusalem during [Orthodox calendar] Holy Saturday last week. A day of joy and celebration was turned to great sorrow and pain for some of our faithful because they were ill-treated by some Israeli policemen who were present around the gates of the Old City and passages that lead to the Holy Sepulcher.

We understand the necessity and the importance of the presence of security forces to ensure order and stability, and for organizing the celebration of the Holy Fire at the Church of the Resurrection. Yet, it is not acceptable that under pretext of security and order, our clergy and people are indiscriminately and brutally beaten, and prevented from entering their churches, monasteries and convents.

We urge the Israeli authorities especially the Ministry of Interior and the police department in Jerusalem, to seriously consider our complaints, to hold responsibility and to condemn all acts of violence against our faithful and the clergy who were ill-treated by the police. We deplore that every year, the police measures are becoming tougher, and we expect that these accidents will not be repeated and the police should be more sensitive and respectful if they seek to protect and serve.

Read more: http://www.cmep.org/content/statement-patriarchs-and-heads-churches-jerusalem-concerning-israeli-police-measures-holy-sa

[sabbat hunter]

12. article is incorrect

Jews HAVE prayed at the Temple Mount, legally, since the destruction of the 2nd temple.

[Little Tich]

15. This sign disagrees with you:

Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount

[King_David]

18. What makes you think the chief Rabbi of Israel is an authority figure for most Jews of the world?

[Little Tich]

20. The Chief Rabbinate of Israel is at least important enough to be allowed to put up signs.

But I suppose it's allowed to disagree with their decisions.

[oberliner]

23. You don't really know anything about this topic beyond Wikipedia and Google

The Supreme Court of Israel has repeatedly affirmed that Jews have the right to pray at the Temple Mount, if they so choose.

Of course, there is, apparently, nothing that enrages Muslims the world over more than the thought of Jewish people quietly mumbling to themselves, so the powers that be try very hard to prevent that from happening.

The sign you posted from the Wikipedia entry isn't there anymore, incidentally. The current sign is similar, but different in one important respect. Feel free to hunt around different Wikipedia entries to see if you can find the answer!

[Little Tich]

24. Temple Mount entry restrictions

Source: Wikipedia

Temple Mount entry restrictions are restrictions on entering the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, which is a holy place for both Jews and Muslims. The Israeli government imposes entry limits to Temple Mount for political and security reasons. In addition, Jewish law imposes restrictions on entering Temple Mount.

Read more: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_Mount_entry_restrictions

The sign is on this page too, and nothing has changed. Perhaps you have difficulties reading Hebrew?

[leftynyc]

25. Perhaps YOU don't understand that

Jews don't have religious leaders. Rabbi's are teachers. We are under zero obligation to follow their precepts. Just fucking give it up already - you've already outed yourself as not caring one whit that the Palestinian authority forbids Jews from praying on the mount so this flailing about trying to change the subject to something you obviously know NOTHING about is pathetic.

[Little Tich]

26. Sites & Places in Jerusalem: The Temple Mount

Source: Jewish Virtual Library
(snip)

For Jews, visiting the Temple Mount is a very controversial subject- both in terms of religious allowance and because non-Muslim prayer is prohibited at the site. Although freedom of access to the site is enshrined as law, Israel does not allow non-Muslim prayer on the Mount so as not to offend Muslim worshippers. Beyond this, many rabbi's say that since the Jewish Temple's Holy of Holies stood near the center of today's Temple Mount, Jews are religiously forbidden from entering the area.

Read more: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Society_&_Culture/geo/Mount.html

[leftynyc]

28. Do you think pointing out that Israel

does whatever it can to stop the Muslims from finding yet another reason to freak out helps your argument at all? And how many times do I have to type the words RABBIS ARE NOT RELIGIOUS LEADERS. Jews have personal relationships with G-d - we don't go through others. But thanks for pointing out how much better Israel is with religious freedom (at the expense of Jews) than any of their neighbors.

[shira]

38. Doesn't get more religiously tolerant than for Israel to not allow Jewish prayer...

....at the Jews' holiest site on earth. No other people - no other religion - would do that in the interests of peace and yet Israel has done it since 1967.

Meanwhile, Hamas Jew haters and their cheerleaders want all Jews banned from the Temple Mount area. It doesn't appear you have a problem with that, so do you support banning Jewish prayer at the Mount?

[Little Tich]

46. What I want is a bill of Rights that guarantees religious freedom and equal treatment of all

religions.

Ad hoc decisions that only benefit one particular group aren't good enough.

[Israeli]

40. In America it tends to be the Reform movement.....

....right KD ?

Over here its the ultra-Orthodox/Orthodox.

So what is your take on this ????......

http://forward.com/sisterhood/337090/bibi-blinks-netanyahu-backs-away-from-western-wall-prayer-deal/

[King_David]

43. Bibi is a tool

And beholden to the religious...

[Little Tich]

45. Poignant: Jew Whisked Off for Praying on Temple Mount

Source: Arutz Sheva, 26/07/15

A few seconds into the Shema Yisrael prayer, a youth is taken away by police and arrested, on Tisha B'Av.

Read more: http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/198648

[Little Tich]

58. Israel agreed to keep the status quo on the Temple Mount as a part of the peace treaty with Jordan.

It seems as if you think the status quo deal should be changed. As long as it's only about Judaizing Jerusalem and giving only Jews access to their holy places I'm against it. If it was about a general rule giving Muslims, Christians and Jews in Israel and the occupied territories equal rights to access their holy places I would be all for it, and probably everyone else who is now against giving Jews the right to pray on the Temple Mount (apart from the Rabbinate) would be for it too.

Giving equal rights to all religious groups to access their holy sites - good idea.
giving rights to only one religious group to access their holy sites - bad idea.

I don't think I have much more to add about this.

[sabbat hunter]

47. That is currently

but there have been times in the past, since 70AD, that Jews prayed on the Temple Mount.

[Little Tich]

48. Hopefully, the grievances of Jews, Christians and Muslims about access to their holy sites in

Jerusalem will be addressed in a meaningful and fair manner.

[Israeli]

51. So is this sabbat hunter.........

April 2016 .

Temple Institute claims it held secret Jewish wedding on Temple Mount

Organization aimed at establishing Third Temple says groom made wedding vows as one of the wedding's witnesses distracted police and Waqf; unusual event could reignite violence at the sensitive holy site and elsewhere.

Roi Yanovsky, Kobi Nachshoni|Published: 13.04.16

This is an unusual event in the volatile area, known to Muslims as the Noble Sanctuary and to Jews as Temple Mount, where Jews are not allowed to pray.

The status quo on the Temple Mount upholds a rule that has effectively existed since 1187, when Muslim warrior Saladin defeated the Christian crusaders and held on to Jerusalem: non-Muslims may enter the sacred compound, but only Muslims can pray.

Before Muslims built the Dome of the Rock and the Aqsa mosque in the late 7th and early 8th centuries, two Jewish temples, the second destroyed by the Romans in 70 AD, stood at the site, which is both the holiest place in Islam outside Saudi Arabia and the most sacred place in Judaism.

After Israel captured the Old City and East Jerusalem in the 1967 Six-Day War, it agreed to continue the status quo, recognizing the risks of igniting a religious war if anything were changed. It gave Jordan special responsibility for overseeing the Muslim holy sites via the Waqf, an Islamic trust.

That agreement was reinforced when Israel signed a peace treaty with Jordan in 1994. There have been many periods of friction over the years, but to all intents and purposes, the status quo has held.

Over the last decade or so, since then-opposition leader Ariel Sharon visited the site in 2000, the Waqf says Israel has been slowly chipping away at the rules, with increasing numbers of religious Jews visiting the area and many of them surreptitiously praying.

Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has rejected those suggestions, saying repeatedly that the government has not changed the rules and has no intention of doing so.

Meanwhile, every week, police detains and at times also arrests right-wing activists on suspicion of praying or violating the rules in another manner.

Source : http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4790850,00.html

The only reason today ( currently ) anyone feels the need to pray on the Temple Mount and break the status quo, when they have a perfect legal place to pray just below it , is doing so to stir up shit .........and ignite violence .

Meanwhile, every week, police detains and at times also arrests right-wing activists on suspicion of praying or violating the rules in another manner.

Note ....." right-wing activists " meaning ultra orthodox/orthodox ......how many Reform ?
The Reform are too busy being arrested for fighting for equality at the perfectly legal place to pray just below it....

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6. They tried something like this

when I was in Israel last October. Tried to make the Western Wall part of the Al Asqa mosque compound until Ki-Moon had to rush to Israel to put a stop to that vote. This never ending nonsense is getting more repulsive every single time they try it and I get more disgusted with the UN every day. Shame on them.