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NNadir

(33,544 posts)
Sat May 28, 2022, 04:58 PM May 2022

Interactive Wet Bulb Temperature Map to Discern Where Ambient Temperatures Are Fatal.

Recently, I referenced in this space a paper describing the probability of ambient of combinations of humidity and temperature at which sweat cannot cool the body, leading to organ failure and death: Some Irony: Most Likely Early Sites for Fatal Wet Bulb Extreme Temperatures are in the Persian Gulf.

The "wet bulb temperature" that is definitely fatal is 35°C, but as I noted in that post, lower wet bulb temperatures can result in massive fatalities; a wet bulb temperature of 28°C in Europe is said to have resulted in 70,000 deaths in 2003:

Jean-Marie Robine, Siu Lan K. Cheung, Sophie Le Roy, Herman Van Oyen, Clare Griffiths, Jean-Pierre Michel, François Richard Herrmann, Death toll exceeded 70,000 in Europe during the summer of 2003, Comptes Rendus Biologies, Volume 331, Issue 2, 2008, Pages 171-178.

There is now, courtesy of Columbia University, an interactive map of wet bulb temperatures around the world:

Interactive Wet Bulb Temperature Map.

As of this writing (4:49 PM EST (US) 5/28/22), wet bulb temperatures above 35°C seem to present in a number of places, 36.5°C along the coast of the Persian Gulf in Saudi Arabia, 36.3°C near the "tip" of the UAE, 36.2°C in central Pakistan, 35.2°C in Northern India, 36.0°C on the Saudi coast of the Red Sea.

There seem to be a few spots in Mexico that are seeing 35°C wet bulb temperatures.

It's pretty scary, I think.

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Interactive Wet Bulb Temperature Map to Discern Where Ambient Temperatures Are Fatal. (Original Post) NNadir May 2022 OP
It's an interesting and scary topic. LastDemocratInSC May 2022 #1
Interesting articles. Adds a new layer of concern to global warming, not just the more recent.... RussellCattle May 2022 #2
I saw an Delphinus May 2022 #3
I don't think we can say that wet temperatures below 35C are... NNadir May 2022 #4
Is it interactive? littlekatrin Jun 2022 #5
The data is probably not real time, but is subject to daily updates, as is the case with... NNadir Jun 2022 #6
Kicking for visibility SheltieLover Jun 2022 #7

LastDemocratInSC

(3,649 posts)
1. It's an interesting and scary topic.
Sat May 28, 2022, 05:58 PM
May 2022

It's not new information but now that it's more than a possibility in many places there's more awareness of the dangers. Kinds of like when a backyard gardener learns that the efficiency of photosynthesis drops sharply around 104 degrees F, the dangers of a warming climate come into sharper focus.

RussellCattle

(1,535 posts)
2. Interesting articles. Adds a new layer of concern to global warming, not just the more recent....
Sat May 28, 2022, 06:12 PM
May 2022

.....appreciation that higher temperatures will not just be closer to the equator, but more randomly located. Folks have always complained in Florida summers "it's not the heat, it's the humidity" will have even more to complain about. I read recently that climate scientists here are actually looking for property in British Columbia, no doubt thinking that the 3rd quarter of the 21st century is a ways off, but maybe selling the condo in Cabo, sooner rather than later, would be good.

https://meathaccp.wisc.edu/assets/Wet_Bulb.pdf

Delphinus

(11,840 posts)
3. I saw an
Sun May 29, 2022, 08:57 PM
May 2022

interview just this past week with a Candian climate scientist Paul {can't recall his last name} who said 35°C is now found to be a few degrees below that, I think 32°C is what he said. And that makes this even more problematic.

NNadir

(33,544 posts)
4. I don't think we can say that wet temperatures below 35C are...
Tue May 31, 2022, 08:51 AM
May 2022

..."safe." As noted in the OP, it is estimated that 70,000 people died in Europe in 2003 from wet bulb temperatures of 28C.

Many individual factors are likely to be involved, the most prominent being individual health. Another of course would be the state of hydration. Heat transfer in one's flesh is affected by things like weight. Electrolyte balance is another.

We can say that a wet bulb temperature of 35C will kill anyone exposed to it for a significant period of time.

Right now, as I often note, about 18,000 people die each day from air pollution on average. This number is higher than what Covid killed worldwide on its worst day. As the consequences of climate change grow, it would be unsurprising to see a death toll from heat comparable to that of air pollution. I'm quite sure that what's happening in the Indian subcontinent is vastly under reported in terms of lives lost to heat.

littlekatrin

(1 post)
5. Is it interactive?
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 08:58 AM
Jun 2022

I found this forum while searching for wet bulb around the world map. But the one you mentioned doesn't seem to change daily? Or it's just the coincidence that temperatures I checked didn't change.
Do you by any chance know of another map?
Thanks

NNadir

(33,544 posts)
6. The data is probably not real time, but is subject to daily updates, as is the case with...
Sun Jun 12, 2022, 10:14 AM
Jun 2022

...the Mauna Loa CO2 observatory concentration data.

The Mauna Loa data is dated, of course, and there is a fairly nice description of how the data is generated which is of interest to those who study analytical chemistry.

How we measure background CO2 levels on Mauna Loa.

The wet bulb map, which is from Columbia University could improve by adding a date to the map. I'll see if I can email them with that suggestion.

I have been accessing the Mauna Loa data for many years at least weekly, often daily, so I'm familiar with how that data changes, when it is updated, etc.

I only discovered this map recently myself, while researching the number of deaths associated with extreme heat deaths around the world. (I can't recall how I came to it.) My understanding is that the data is connected to weather stations around the world, and as there seem to be thousands, particular stations may be better or worse at reporting data, may operate at different rates of updates, and may or may not face technical challenges on particular days. As someone who works closely with analytical instrumentation, I know that one has to carefully check instrument performance, usually using acceptance criteria around precision and accuracy with calibrators.

Your question suggests an approach to checking "experimentally" how it is updated.

Let's choose 10 points to allow for the inherent variability of different observatories and their practices. We can use the computer wheel to enlarge the map, click on a point of interest. I am recording this data between 9:40A EDT (US) on 6/12/22 and 10:00A EDT (US).

I enlarge the map with the mouse wheel, drag and drop over the American Southwest, left click over a particular dot in the and find the station at Palm Springs California is reporting a "daily max" wet bulb temperature of 33°C. I then move the cursor the American East Coast, and click on a dot that turns out to be Dover Airforce base in Delaware, where the wet bulb temperature daily max is 30.4°C. Similarly, I move the cursor to the West Coast of Africa, on what appears to be the western most part of the continent, Léopold Sédar Senghor Airport, where the wet bulb temperature daily max is 30.3°C.

I have selected high values at these three stations. For a low value, I move to Iceland, Vestmannaeyjar airport on the extreme lower end. It shows 16.2°C. I move to Norway, Måsøy, Troms og Finnmark fylke, and find 19°C. I move to Ushuaia, Malvinas Argentinas International Airport near Tierra Del Fuego, and find a "daily max" wet bulb temperature of 18.5°C. At Inca Manco Cápac International Airport in Southeastern Peru, we see a temperature of 11.2°C. At Eminpaşa Mahallesi in Eastern Turkey I find a "daily max" wet bulb temperature of 22.5°C, an intermediate value. At Heilongjiang, the Northern most station in China, I see a "daily max" wet bulb temperature of 25°C, again intermediate.

Now I can come back at any time and see how these values have changed, and where they have changed. Note that the different number of significant figures at the different stations suggests variability. The more points I check, the better sense of the data I can discern.

It is very good science to not believe uncritically anything to check sources. You are demonstrating excellence. I am strongly inclined to believe this map is reasonably accurate, but it doesn't offer the same level of information about how the data is collected as does the Mauna Loa CO2 Observatory.

Thank you, again, for your excellent question and welcome to DU.

All the best,

NNadir

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