Dead Dolphins In Fukushima Found Stranded With White Radiated Lungs

[Lodestar]

Japanese scientists have said they have never seen anything as horrific as the massive group of dead dolphins discovered stranded on a beach near the site of the 2011 Fukushima disaster.

After conducting an autopsy the scientists found that the dolphins’ lungs were white – which they say is an indication of radiation poisoning.

http://yournewswire.com/dead-dolphins-in-fukushima-stranding-found-with-white-radiated-lungs/

[notemason]

1. ...

[haikugal]

2. How many years has this gone on?

Tragic....

[AtheistCrusader]

25. Dolphins being stranded in this manner? Thousands of years.

Because the cause is not the Reactors.

[haikugal]

26. Their lungs are...I was wondering about how long they've been finding irradiated animals etc. nt

[AtheistCrusader]

28. No official source has stated anything of the kind. Just this hack article from eNews.

Most likely cause, and the reason the Japanese People aren't freaking out over it, is the earthquakes. It wrecks cetacean's navigation capabilities.

The 'white lungs' shit is, just that. Shit. The [s] "National Science Museum"[/s] I mean, National Museum of Nature and Science has made no such public claim at all.

[haikugal]

34. Thanks!

[AtheistCrusader]

29. Here's the sort of details you might expect from a credible news agency.

While the reason for the beaching was unclear, Tadasu Yamadao, a researcher at the National Museum of Nature and Science, said the dolphins might have got lost.

"Sonar waves the dolphins emit might have been absorbed in the shoals, which could cause them to lose their sense of direction," he told the Yomiuri Shimbun.

Melon-headed whales, also known as electra dolphins, are relatively common in Japanese waters and can grow to be two-to-three metres (six-to-nine feet) long.

In 2011, about 50 melon-headed whales beached themselves in a similar area.

Friday's rescue effort stood in marked contrast to the global view of Japan and its relationship with cetaceans.

Things like, correctly naming the nature org examining the dolphins, the NAME of the PERSON representing the group, and oh look, a complete lack of any bullshit about their lungs (which could have a lot of causes besides radiation, and if it was radiation, they'd still BE radioactive, and also, therefore dangerous to perform an autopsy on.)

[haikugal]

33. Thank you...of course.

[Ed Suspicious]

3. Nothing to see here. The radiation was diluted, or something.

[2naSalit]

4. Nothing to see here

Radiation poisoning is natural. There's no harm in all that radiation in the water and the spillage that has been dumped into the ocean for the last five+ years.

[sulphurdunn]

5. They can't shut it off.

They can't clean it up. They can't do shit. This disaster will pollute the worlds oceans for millennia. Hey, lets build more, and run the ones we've got way past their operational life spans. What could go wrong?

[jwirr]

9. My thoughts also.

[cantbeserious]

6. The Planet Will Die At The Hands Of The 1% - One Way Or Another

eom

[Duppers]

19. We're all contributing.

[nilram]

7. But don't worry, fish from the Pacific are safe to eat...

Vegetarianism is looking better and better to me. Sushi, not so much.

[jwirr]

8. And last week we were told in OP here that dumping the

waste in the ocean is the best way to dispose of it.

[NV Whino]

10. Fuck.

[SmittynMo]

11. All of the postings here are true

We are SOOOOOOO fucked.

Maybe the fucking 1% can buck up and shut it down, somehow.


Yeah right!!!!!!

Hey, anyone heard of concrete? I think it worked in Russia. DUH

[Major Nikon]

18. The postings there are mostly conspiracy theories, many of which are thinly veiled anti-Semitism

http://yournewswire.com/were-the-911-attacks-coordinated-by-cia-and-mossad/

[AtheistCrusader]

27. And magic radiation.

The kind that gets in, irradiates JUST the lungs of 'SOME' of the dead dolphins, then LEAVES so they don't trip Geiger counters.

Forget physics. It's fucking magic.

[Major Nikon]

36. The Creative Speculation toilet must be backed up again

[sue4e3]

54. I seen this article a couple of years ago

this is just regurgitated. I mildly tried to debunk it for the masses then but the fear is much too large. so I just shake my head and move on

[djean111]

12. Oh, now, come on - this is no more radiation than they would have gotten if they were

strapped to the wings of an L-1011 and flew around the world a few thousand times. Which is exactly what they would do, if they only had frequent flyer miles.

Or went through airport security scanners 50,000 times. Or, for some reason, ate a banana peel. From a banana grown in Fukushima.

[questionseverything]

20. yes a hell of a lot of posters here owe robert an apology

i am guessing the swarm hasn't figured out how to present their talking points yet

[FBaggins]

41. Laughable

Let's review the lies, shall we?

* It didn't happen in Fukushima... it was about 150 miles south of there in Hokota.

* Nobody determined that they had "radiated lungs" - the author made that up.

* The scientists did not say that there was an "indication of radiation poisoning" - the author made that up.

* Nor is there any reason to think that it could have been caused by radiation. Radiation-induced ischemia is caused by targeted doses (e.g., for treating breast cancer) that are tens of thousands to millions of times higher than any sea life could have received. The only reason it's found in the lungs is because they're right behind the tissue being targeted - if it were radiation from Fukushima, it would effect the entire animal - and the article makes clear that didn't happen.

You see an article a year after the events, posted on a russian proxy site (citing what is probably another one), authored by a woo-peddler (UFOs, chemtrails, "Snowden shows that aliens live inside the Earth", etc.),

And you think he's due an apology?

[Nihil]

46. Which "robert"?

If you are meaning "Robert the Rabid Nut" who was banned from this group
for being a complete & utter moronic troll then he is due absolutely no apologies
from anyone who
a) can read
b) can count
c) has better than a child's grasp of geography
or
d) has had any first-hand contact with any scientific field.

If it was any other "robert" then please feel free to provide information
rather than just imply that rational posters should accept your proposal
of sainthood for a random name ...

[Dont call me Shirley]

13. Dolphins...

We have got to force the Psychopathic Uber-Rich to stop thir nuclear nonsense! Fucking off to prison with them already!

[Cassiopeia]

14. So much for the vast ocean being able to dilute the problem away.

Lets build more of these reactors on coastlines in earthquake zones. I know we can destroy the planet so much faster if we just stop with this half ass effort we've been making.

[Silver_Witch]

15. Oh Goddess save them all....

I am afraid the Fukushima disaster is far worse that we have been told. I grieve for the Mother Earth and her creatures...I think the planet would be so much better off without us crazy humans.

Peace be with all the creatures....it seems that have suffered so.

[Major Nikon]

16. Prince silenced by the New World Order for speaking about the Illuminati and Chemtrails

http://yournewswire.com/prince-speaker-of-dangerous-truths-silenced-by-the-new-world-order/

[Thespian2]

17. My friend and I discussed the future of Earth...

We cannot see the planet lasting much beyond 2050...Yes, we both will be gone long before that...we are both over 70...

[MisterP]

21. don't be silly! it's, uh, too much water, yeah that's right ...

[AuntPatsy]

22. So horrific...

[Jopin Klobe]

23. "It’s a very big challenge. Honestly speaking, I cannot say it’s possible."

Times: “The worst possible result” revealed at Fukushima — Plant Chief: Centuries may pass before humans find a way to deal with molten cores — Top Official: “We have no idea” what to do, “the technology simply doesn’t exist… I can’t say it’s possible”

Naohiro Masuda, president of Tepco’s Fukushima Daiichi Decommissioning Company: "We have no idea about the debris. We don’t know its shape or strength. We have to remove it remotely from 30 meters above, but we don’t have that kind of technology, it simply doesn’t exist... We still don’t know whether it’s possible to fill the reactor containers with water. We’ve found some cracks and holes in the three damaged container vessels, but we don’t know if we found them all. If it turns out there are other holes, we might have to look for some other way to remove the debris."
NHK: Asked [about the gov't target to begin by 2020], his answer was surprisingly candid.
Masuda: [b]"It’s a very big challenge. Honestly speaking, I cannot say it’s possible."

[AtheistCrusader]

24. What a crock of shit.

Lede photo look familiar?

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2015/04/11/national/nearly-150-melon-headed-whales-feared-dead-beaching-ibaraki/#.VTeQgCFVikp

4/11/2015

I don't know about you guys, but I totally trust 'news' sites full of ridiculous clickbait that STEAL photos from real news articles more than a year old.

https://weather.com/science/nature/news/japan-dolphin-beaching-earthquake-fears#/!

They weren't irradiated. There's no mention from any source of anything with their lungs, and if that was the case, they'd be radioactive waste, not buried near the beach in the NEXT PREFECTURE OVER from Fukushima.

This is something that dolphins do from time to time. Japan was wracked with earthquakes earlier this month, and there are more possible explanations besides.

But yeah, everything is the reactor complex. EVERYTHING. Quit being chumps.

[Lodestar]

30. The real deal

Fukushima continues to spew out radiation. The quantities seem to be rising, as do the impacts.
There are horrifying signs of ecological disaster in the Pacific and human health impacts in the U.S.
But within Japan, a new State Secrets Act makes such talk punishable by up to ten years in prison.
http://miami-water.com/blog/3259/japan-state-secrecy-law-effects-on-radiation-reporting/

In April 2015, scientists from Japan's National Science Museum conducted autopsies on the beached dolphins. They found that nearly all of them had lungs that were entirely white, indicating a condition known as ischemia - that is, loss of blood to the organs. The animals' internal organs showed no signs of infection or any other disease.

"I have never seen such a state," the chief researcher said.

While the researchers did not draw the connection themselves, ischemia is a well known symptom of radiation poisoning. In particular, studies have shown that small doses of radiation over time can produce ischemic heart disease (IHD). Higher rates of IHD have been observed among workers at the Mayak nuclear facility in Russia, with a higher risk among those exposed to greater levels of gamma radiation. Increases in IHD rates were also observed among emergency workers who responded to the 1986 Chernobyl disaster, as well as among residents exposed to radioactive fallout from the disaster. In the latter case, rates of IHD had increased by two to four times by 1988.

Learn more: http://www.naturalnews.com/050674_Fukushima_marine_life_beached_dolphins.html#ixzz46rWZ6xpy

Dying Whales, Horrific Omen
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/dr-reese-halter/dying-whales-horrific-ome_b_9006332.html

[AtheistCrusader]

31. There are an enormous number of potential causes of ischemia.

Riddle me this; how do you expose the interior of a lung to that much radiation without similarly posing a risk to the people performing the autopsy?

Answer; you don't.


Calling out ischemia in this manner is a desperate, transparent, pathetic attempt to link SOMETHING, ANYTHING to the reactor.

You are not helping your cause, making shit up like this.

Edit: Also, waiting on a credible news agency naming the correct research institution, a published report, and the names of the people attached to it.

Good luck.

[Major Nikon]

39. If you cite NaturalNews on any matter whatsoever, you are almost certainly wrong

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/NaturalNews

[NickB79]

32. White lung tissue in dolphins has been seen numerous times before, for decades in fact

White lung tissue is a classic sign of ischemia in mammals, when the bloodflow to the tissue is interrupted. Other Fukushima watchdog websites even quoted dolphin researchers as saying the lungs were ischemic: http://fukushima-diary.com/2015/04/most-of-the-inspected-dolphins-had-lungs-in-ischaemia-state-as-entirely-white/

Ischemia is caused by a restriction of bloodflow to the lungs, not radiation poisoning (unless the dolphins got such a massive radiation dose they'd show multiple organ failures at once instead of just the lungs).

In fact, NOAA has autopsied dolphins with ischemia numerous times over the years, and concluded dolphins are very sensitive to stresses such as being chased by fishing boats: https://swfsc.noaa.gov/uploadedfiles/divisions/prd/programs/etp_cetacean_assessment/lj_02_24c.pdf

Over 50 dolphins in one study, in 2002, all showing signs of ischemia-caused death.

[maindawg]

35. There is currently a massive die off along the coast of Chile

That's the other side of the Pacific ocean from Japan but you know that's how currents work. The world has done nothing about this. The billionaires who profit from these death machines will do nothing. I am amazed by disinterest in this situation. The entire world should be working to solve this because everyday it gets a little worse.

I notice there are several naysayers here, and maybe these fish did not die from the effects of Fukushima nuklear poisoning. But millions of other fish have. And millions of people will be next.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. Well, that's a step in the right direction.

At least you admit it might be some other cause.

That's a start.

[Major Nikon]

40. Millions? Series?

When you have all sorts of extremely credible entities saying 'meh' contrary to so-called "news" outlets that also claim Prince was assassinated for speaking about chemtrails, it's just not that hard to decide which one to believe.

Fukushima radiation nears California coast, judged harmless

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2014/11/fukushima-radiation-nears-california-coast-judged-harmless

The Impact of the Fukushima on Canada: Health Canada Reports
Contrary to irresponsible and inaccurate rumors that Health Canada suspended monitoring in the wake of the triple meltdowns, monitoring activities were, in fact, enhanced and expanded to increase the flow of information and improve understanding of the implications of the contamination for environmental and public health. While there was no discernible change in total background radiation a distributed system of monitoring stations and the rapid collection and measurement of environmental samples tracked the trace levels of atmospheric contamination across the country. The report concludes:

conservative estimates of the maximum individual dose from Fukushima was less than 0.0003 (1/ 3,000) of the typical annual dose for a Canadian owing to natural background sources
the additional dose resulting from Fukushima derived contamination is far less than the normal variation in dose from place to place in Canada
there are likely to be no health impacts related to this small, incremental dose

http://fukushimainform.ca/category/peer-reviewed/location/british-columbia/

[questionseverything]

43. the heat the lost fuel is generating is disaster all by itself

and the ptb have no idea how to stop it

[FBaggins]

45. Which, of course, is total nonsense

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Combining scientific ignorance with profound innumeracy is a recipe for nonsensical answers.

The people who tell you that fukushima is warming up the ocean haven't the first clue what they're taking about.

[questionseverything]

47. for years we kept our boat in a slip at a lake that was a cooling pond

we did it because it extended the season by several months because the closer we got to the discharge the warmer the water was

<shrugs>

i never worried about the treated water because the ptb said it was safe. lose material is a different story tho but i can conclude it would heat water in a similar manner

please proceed to call me all the names you want

[FBaggins]

48. Sorry... that's an example of the innumeracy that I was talking about

You just compared the heat from an operating reactor (orders of magnitude higher) dumped into a pond (many many MANY orders of magnitude smaller) to a tiny fraction of a core that was shut down years ago dumping into the Pacific Ocean.

lose material is a different story tho but i can conclude it would heat water in a similar manner


Actually, you can't conclude that at all. People see large numbers of becquerels (in the trillions to quadrillions) and assume that it must mean that there's lots of the emitting material (Cesium in this case) out there. The reality is very different. The total emissions to the sea were huge compared to other events (including Chernobyl), but it's still measurable in kilograms. It couldn't do anything temperature-wise to the sea.

Here's a simple thought experiment:

Consider an operating nuclear reactor of about the size of most of the Fukushima reactors (~800MWe). The "e" is "electric" - because the reactor actually creates roughly three times that amount of heat. It's just that only about a third of it can be extracted as electricity. The rest is waste heat that gets dumped into the environment (just like any other steam power plant). "The environment" might be to the air (cooling towers), to a river/pond like you described, or into the sea. Getting that heat from the core to the turbines and back again takes pumps that move hundreds of thousands of gallons of water per minute - and (for a Japanese reactor) two thirds of that heat ends up in the sea.

Yet somehow... the FUD crowd is able to sell a fantasy that a rector that was shut down five years ago is warming up the ocean when dozens of operating reactors didn't do it pre-Fukushima? A few hundred tons of water per day are supposed to heat up the sea because they contain a tiny fraction of a milligram of cesium? When millions of tons per day per reactor wasn't doing it when dumping waste heat?

[questionseverything]

49. you pretend the plants were properly shut down

when the truth is the fuel is missing

<shrugs>

knowing what we know now about heat in the oceans damaging the life in the oceans, it is stupid that the oceans are used for cooling even in the plants that are functioning correctly

[FBaggins]

50. There's no need to "pretend" anything. They WERE shut down.

They may not have followed a safe/normal return to cold-shutdown state, but the fission was ceased within seconds of the earthquake (roughly an hour before the tsunami hit)

when the truth is the fuel is missing

The fuel is in no sense "missing" (as in, gone from the unit), but it wouldn't matter a whit if it was. The amount of heat that that much fuel creates when it isn't fissioning is a mathematical function of time. By five years post-shutdown, you don't even need water to cool it... you could place fuel in concrete casks and let air circulation do it. There just isn't much heat being produced. If it was still fissioning, it would be 1000+ times higher, but it isn't.

There is no debating this. If there was still active fission going on, then the core would be producing lots and LOTS of I131. It's impossible to hide and no way that it could be missed. There isn't any... therefore there isn't any active fission going on. Q.E.D.

And even if there were active fission going on... there used to be dozens of operating reactors in Japan dumping their waste heat into that same ocean. It's silly to pretend that somehow there's MORE heat being produced now.


knowing what we know now about heat in the oceans damaging the life in the oceans, it is stupid that the oceans are used for cooling even in the plants that are functioning correctly

It's understandable that you would feel that way... but the reality is that it's tiny in comparison to the scale of the globe. Carbon emissions from the fossil plants that replaced these nuclear units has far more impact on ocean temperatures than the dumping of waste heat did.

[questionseverything]

52. since you think it is so safe,why don't you volunteer to climb in with the next robot they send

down to fix it

i would help raise the money for your ticket

[FBaggins]

53. Lol! Was that supposed to make sense?

You get corrected on some pretty laughable nonsense and you decide that must mean that I think it's "so safe" that you could just climb in to the containment?

[NickB79]

51. How many millions of tons of fuel are missing?

Because you aren't going to heat up a body of water as large as the Pacific with anything less than truly massive amounts of nuclear material.

You really aren't seeing the scale here. All the thousands of steam-turbine power plants around the PLANET that run each and every day, ie the nuclear, coal, diesel and natural-gas-fired power plants, and dump their cooling water streams have not been shown to be able to increase an entire ocean's temperature in a measurable way via direct waste-heat emissions.

There isn't enough nuclear fuel in all the world's nuclear reactors combined to heat the Pacific Ocean in the way you propose. Hell, the US and the USSR lost several nuclear-powered submarines in the world's oceans decades ago, which carried far more nuclear material than Fukushima lost.

[Sunlei]

38. They run/hunt dolphins with boats there. Could they have been run to death?

[Judi Lynn]

42. Maybe the people from Japan's "Cove" could go there and hack them to a pulp & find satisfaction.

[center]

[/center]
I can't believe those people who find this situation too tragic feel no need to speak up about Japan's whale slaughters, and the Cove which becomes completely red with the blood of these poor creatures when they herd them in there and lay waste to them.

[NNadir]

44. It is amazing, absolutely amazing how stupid fear mongers are. This kind of nonsense is a clear...

...and unambiguous demonstration of exactly why the planetary atmosphere is collapsing.

People are so stupid as to claim that every dolphin that dies in the Western Pacific was killed by Fukushima.

The lack of scientific literacy on this planet is exactly the reason that we are in such dire straits.

Nuclear energy saves lives, and it follows that anti-nuke ignorance kills.