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Sat Sep 16, 2017, 07:52 PM

 

Why we will never start school at a decent time (and why our politics will always be fucked)

The data is all there. It makes little sense to start our schools at the crack of dawn. Teens perform better if school starts later, there are fewer car wrecks (and less money spent to clean up car wrecks). Yet despite the data, odds are, high schoolers will be getting up at the crack of dawn until time stops.

Why?

We have a cultural obsession with suffering. Somebody has to lose. If a school board proposes starting school at a reasonable hour, you'll get a few people asking about logistics (particularly regarding athletics). But mostly what you get is a bunch of codgers screaming "WELL I WENT TO SCHOOL AT 6 IN THE MORNING! WALKED UPHILL BOTH WAYS! WITH BREAD BAGS FOR SHOES!"

In other words, "I suffered. So should you. Fuck data."

And that's pretty much the story of all our politics. We have adopted the idea that "misery builds character" as our national motto. Any attempt to alleviate misery is a nonstarter. Healthcare? Yeah, the data says universal healthcare would be better. But some people are incensed that somebody else might get healthcare at a reasonable price when THEY had to prostrate themselves before charities. They can't stand the idea of affordable college because THEY had to pay for theirs. And so on.

Our culture says there has to be a bottom rung. There has to be misery. Somebody has to lose.

You can show all the data you want, but to our culture, it doesn't matter.

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NCDem777 Sep 2017 OP
msongs Sep 2017 #1
eppur_se_muova Sep 2017 #2
Golden Raisin Sep 2017 #3
Duppers Sep 2017 #7
Hangingon Sep 2017 #8
Cracklin Charlie Sep 2017 #4
cyclonefence Sep 2017 #5
BigmanPigman Sep 2017 #6

Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:46 PM

1. more likely times are convenient for working parents who have to leave the house and

would rather not have their young'uns hanging around the house unsupervised esp teens

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Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 08:52 PM

2. In FL, we had to catch a school bus at a few minutes after 6AM. School let out at 3PM.

Supposedly it was because this gave kids time to go to the beach. I suspect it provided cheap labor in the afternoon for the tourist industry.

http://www.okaloosaschools.com/district/transportation-bus-schedules

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Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:04 PM

3. Yeah. It's those "codgers".

Massive Simplification and Ageism much?

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Response to Golden Raisin (Reply #3)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:29 PM

7. They ARE the ones who most strongly hold to traditions.

There are some ageism posts here that I attack but this observation rings true to me.

- almost 71

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Response to Duppers (Reply #7)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 12:54 PM

8. Almost 76

Some truth, but basically a cheap shot. Many in the "Codger" set use their experience to see improvements. Does the data show the number of high schoolers who work or take classes at community colleges?

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Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:08 PM

4. I live very near a high school.

I hear marching band kids practicing every day at 6 am!

They then, I assume, go on to complete a full day of school, after school activities, possible jobs, and homework. You can't convince me that these children are not sleep deprived.

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Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sat Sep 16, 2017, 09:15 PM

5. We had a very small school district with only one high school

and I asked the principal about this--teenagers can't get to sleep until 11 or so, then have to wake up for 7:30 school bus, while little kids are generally early risers, and the elementary school didn't start until 8:50, so why not switch the opening hours?

He said it was because of athletics, that schools want to have their football/basketball/whatever games in the afternoon, so high school has to start early to allow for that.

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Response to NCDem777 (Original post)

Sun Sep 17, 2017, 01:06 AM

6. As a former teacher you are preaching to the choir.

I taught elementary and the parents of my students who had older siblings always said the same thing...athletics!!! It is then followed by "we both have to work so..." Modern society has changed from when I went to school. Way back in the 70s you had one main focus for getting into the college of your choice...GOOD GRADES. Today even kids with a 4.0 average have to be in a thousand different groups, volunteer after school, and participate in two sports to even be considered for a college let alone get a scholarship or financial aid. When I taught 6th grade one student's parents went to the Vice Principal since I wouldn't give their daughter a grade higher than a C in PE, which was too high in my opinion, since she would just stand around with folded arms and rolling eyes. Fortunately my VP let me keep the grade. It was as if she had a goal of winning a gold medal at the Olympics and a C would destroy her life. I blame the colleges for making this a fucked up priority.

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