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RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:06 AM Apr 2016

"Stop the Revolution! I want to get off!" How Bernie is NOT creating a REAL political movement.

I have said and will continue to say I have always liked Bernie and honestly think his heart has always been in the right place on progressive issues. I think he sincerely wants real political reform, to reverse income inequality, to reverse climate change, and to return political power to ordinary Americans. But I have also always said that as a self-described socialist who came so late to the party that he now wants to lead, he will not be able to win the nomination nor the general election.

I do give Bernie credit for having said some things, VERY GENERALLY, that need saying on the issues, and that these BROAD clarion calls have inspired a lot young people to engage in this primary. People are legitimately angry about a lot of things, and he has tapped into that frustration. However, his platitudes are very VAGUE, he has shown a far too-limited and frankly inexcusable lack of detailed knowledge on the very issues he is trumpeting, and too many of his promises, though noble and inspiring, are not very realistic. Yes, we need inspiring goals, but we also need REALITY.

And here is the big thing. While he says that what he is doing is about more than Bernie Sanders, I truly sense that WAY too many of his supporters are ALL ABOUT BERNIE and NOT about the larger cause of BEATING REPUBLICANS at every level and STAYING IN IT FOR THE LONG HAUL. So many of his supporters are reporting that they are ONLY voting "FOR BERNIE" and NOT because they are inspired by the call for a LONG, HARD, DIFFICULT, SUSTAINED political movement much like the workers rights, women's suffrage, and civil rights movements of the past which required MANY YEARS of SUSTAINED and arduous WORK. Some are already saying that if Bernie doesn't get the nomination, they won't vote at all. HOW IMMATURE! HOW NONSENSICAL! HOW NON-REVOLUTIONARY!!!!

These Bernie folks need to SEE MORE THAN BERNIE. They need to see that Hillary is also PROGRESSIVE. They need to see that we can not allow a TRUMP or CRUZ to get the White House. They need to see that if they are really PROGRESSIVE, that is about PROGRESS and not just one titillating candidate, and you have to STAY ENGAGED for the LONGTERM and VOTE IN EVERY ELECTION, even the ones where there is NO BERNIE!

Some Bernie folks are now complaining about their registration status in NY. The fact is, MANY were never registered as Dems or may not have been registered at all, and THAT is why they can't vote in the primary. If they didn't have the energy to check their registration status according to the rules and deadlines, how do they have the energy to engage in a LONGTERM and REAL political "revolution" movement?

Bernie Folks, my message to you is that if you want PROGRESS, and REAL CHANGE, you have to STAY ENGAGED ALL THE TIME AND IN EVERY ELECTION. Being titillated into the voting booth just one time on promises to shut down big banks and get free tuition isn't nearly enough. Look to American history. Look at what had to be done and sacrificed for MANY YEARS in order for women to get the right to vote, for workers to get rights, for African Americans to get full rights, etc. It didn't happen overnight. People were committed to a CAUSE, not just one person. I am so glad you are engaged in this primary process, but that is NOT ENOUGH. And if Hillary is the nominee, you need to see that she will give you MUCH more of what Bernie is for than Trump or Cruz, and that should be WAY more than enough to KEEP you engaged in this presidential cycle, which is what is needed. STAY ENGAGED NO MATTER WHAT, AND VOTE DEMOCRATIC UP AND DOWN THE BALLOT IN NOVEMBER. Then you will get PROGRESS which is what PROGRESSIVENESS is all about. The stakes are too high, and this is election cycle is NOT and can not be just about Bernie.

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"Stop the Revolution! I want to get off!" How Bernie is NOT creating a REAL political movement. (Original Post) RBInMaine Apr 2016 OP
!!! handmade34 Apr 2016 #1
A REAL political movement is about WAY more than attending a Bernie rally or just voting for Bernie. RBInMaine Apr 2016 #2
Great post. Nicely done! NurseJackie Apr 2016 #3
K & R, being involved in elections is so important. There are some struggles Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #4
They don't want any broad based social progress 72DejaVu Apr 2016 #5
They conflate "establishment politics" with Republican obstruction Rose Siding Apr 2016 #7
I wish I could rec this a hundred times! brer cat Apr 2016 #6
Yup, and BERNIE needs to be telling these kids what a REAL movement is all about and the hard work RBInMaine Apr 2016 #15
When your first order of business addressing income inequality stopbush Apr 2016 #8
Sanders is the one responsible for his supporters pandr32 Apr 2016 #9
He was claiming early on that it was about engaging them in the political process for the long haul, RBInMaine Apr 2016 #14
It seems he has not put much fire into this pandr32 Apr 2016 #17
Yep SharonClark Apr 2016 #21
The radical left has proven to be marginal time and time again Cary Apr 2016 #10
They need to be engaged, and are welcome, but that means engaged with REALITY and DURABILITY! RBInMaine Apr 2016 #13
The problem with all radicals is their inability to compromise Cary Apr 2016 #20
Thank you! DemonGoddess Apr 2016 #11
The supposed revolution amounts to "Wishes really are horses!" DavidDvorkin Apr 2016 #12
Powerful OP, RB! Thank you for writing it. It's SO TRUE! BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #16
Righteous! NastyRiffraff Apr 2016 #18
Would love to see it in GDP, but the way this Group gets stalked the OP already has a wide audience! Hekate Apr 2016 #22
Organization, discipline, persistence creon Apr 2016 #19
I agree. K&R AgadorSparticus Apr 2016 #23
That's exactly why in Wisconsin they let a conservative judge in their Supreme court robbedvoter Apr 2016 #24

handmade34

(22,756 posts)
1. !!!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:24 AM
Apr 2016

one man a revolution does not make... just think what Barack Obama could have accomplished if all the people had continued the fight and pushed him instead of sitting out the 2010 elections

change is long and difficult at times and the energy directed towards Bernie needs to be expanded to get progressives at all levels elected and the fight cannot stop when a person is successfully put into office...

I have seen (and studied) this same thing many times over the years... people have the power but seldom use it

I do not trust that the (majority of) people supporting Bernie Sanders have the wherewithall to continue the arduous struggle needed to make the drastic changes they want

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
2. A REAL political movement is about WAY more than attending a Bernie rally or just voting for Bernie.
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 06:40 AM
Apr 2016

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
4. K & R, being involved in elections is so important. There are some struggles
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:18 AM
Apr 2016

Which went on for years and though not perfect now are much better. The struggle for women to get the right to vote went on for years and more years for the Voters Rights bill to pass.

72DejaVu

(1,545 posts)
5. They don't want any broad based social progress
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 08:19 AM
Apr 2016

They are in it for themselves. They want higher wages, they want lower tuition, etc. That's all good, they should want those things. But they aren't interested in fighting against racism or homophobia, or for women's rights, except to the extent that they can use those issues against "the establishment". The heart of Republicanism can be summed with the slogan "Fuck everybody else, I got mine." Bernieism can be summed up as "Fuck everybody else,I want mine.'

Rose Siding

(32,623 posts)
7. They conflate "establishment politics" with Republican obstruction
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:49 AM
Apr 2016

If a leftist sort of Tea Party were to develop, the blockage would be complete on both sides. Obama referenced this a little yesterday, I think.

brer cat

(24,562 posts)
6. I wish I could rec this a hundred times!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 09:42 AM
Apr 2016

The political naivety and single mindedness of many Bernie supporters concerns me for our future. It is akin to a child demanding his way RIGHT NOW THIS MINUTE, which denies their awareness of the "LONG, HARD, DIFFICULT, SUSTAINED political movement much like the workers rights, women's suffrage, and civil rights movements of the past which required MANY YEARS of SUSTAINED and arduous WORK" as you stated so well. I have come to fear that our young people are so accustomed to instant gratification and possess such short attention spans that we may never again see the great movements for change.

The other issue is that many Bernie supporters seem so blinded by their Hillary-hate that they would welcome a President Trump or Cruz just to show her, and us, that we can't win without them. Their narcissistic posts about how "mean" we are and how much we will regret it when we "need" their help is very telling. They don't give a damn what is best for the country, only their ego.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
15. Yup, and BERNIE needs to be telling these kids what a REAL movement is all about and the hard work
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:25 PM
Apr 2016

it will take for YEARS to make real gains.

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
8. When your first order of business addressing income inequality
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:18 AM
Apr 2016

is to make millionaires of Tad Devine and Jeff Weaver by taking millions of donations from college kids who can barely afford their nightly bowl of ramen noodles, well, I sort of question whether you really understand the issue you're pushing.

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
9. Sanders is the one responsible for his supporters
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:35 AM
Apr 2016

If they "don't see more" than Bernie and the bigger picture is lost on them than it is Bernie who is to blame. He is schooling them on both "the issues" and civics.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
14. He was claiming early on that it was about engaging them in the political process for the long haul,
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:23 PM
Apr 2016

to vote up and down the ballot, and that he would support the Democratic nominee no matter who it was. What he needs to do is tell his people to support the Dem nominee regardless of who it is and to STAY engaged.

pandr32

(11,581 posts)
17. It seems he has not put much fire into this
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:45 PM
Apr 2016

It seems to have gotten buried under his anti-Hillary smears.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
10. The radical left has proven to be marginal time and time again
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 10:47 AM
Apr 2016

There is no reason to believe that they are any more functional now. The real revolution is up to us, the grown ups.

 

RBInMaine

(13,570 posts)
13. They need to be engaged, and are welcome, but that means engaged with REALITY and DURABILITY!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:20 PM
Apr 2016

The problem with too many of them is that if they are not titillated by some personality, they sit on their asses. And that is BULLSHIT. It is just plain immature crap. You can't always have political purity and titillation. That is NOT the recipe for a "revolution."

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
16. Powerful OP, RB! Thank you for writing it. It's SO TRUE!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 12:32 PM
Apr 2016

President Obama has always been the revolution we needed, and he's done a fantastic job! Unfortunately, the "throw the BlueDemDogs out!" campaign in 2010 stopped his progress - the progress Sanders supporters say they want but couldn't be bothered to support because of what Cenk Uygur, Ed Schultz, Michael Moore, Ralph Nader, Thom Hartmann, and other noted "Liberals" were wailing about when there was NO consensus in Congress to get single-payer through.

People need to know that there are elections every TWO years, not every four years. Once we can put this in their hearts and minds, we can successfully reverse all the damage Republicans have done since taking the House in 2010 and then the Senate in 2014.

NastyRiffraff

(12,448 posts)
18. Righteous!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 01:27 PM
Apr 2016

I disagree on some things, but the main thrust of your excellent post is spot on. Thank you!

If you can take the vitriol, I hope you'll post this in GDP. Those people NEED to read it. (Don't blame you if you don't but I hope you do)

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
22. Would love to see it in GDP, but the way this Group gets stalked the OP already has a wide audience!
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 07:45 PM
Apr 2016

creon

(1,183 posts)
19. Organization, discipline, persistence
Sun Apr 10, 2016, 02:08 PM
Apr 2016

This "movement" needs to be much more than Sanders.
This requires all three - organization, discipline, persistence.
Sanders is running as a Democrat because he has no organization.
he, and his friends have to build one.

They have to earn their spurs.

robbedvoter

(28,290 posts)
24. That's exactly why in Wisconsin they let a conservative judge in their Supreme court
Mon Apr 11, 2016, 03:57 AM
Apr 2016

BS voters didn't bother to vote past him!
In NYV. the Working Families Party had an online vote to pick their candidate (usually they front the D candidate). They had their primary - BS won. He'll be in GE on that ticket. Now we have ours. (P.S. those are the politically savvy BS supporters in NY - the rest don't know a vote from a bong)

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