Hillary Clinton
Related: About this forumFor those who say Hillary Clinton can't win the general election
(I got tired of those on the GD-P board citing polls to "prove" that Hillary can't with the general election without them, so I posted this on GD-P.)
Many on this board have made statements that Hillary can't win in November citing polls that they have seen. Okay, I think that we can agree that Donald Trump is presumptive Republican nominee. So let's see why establishment Republicans are going into panic mode at the thought of Trump leading the Republican ticket.
I just looked up the latest polls - Clinton vs. Trump - in the swing states of Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Virginia. RealClearPolitics.com was my source.
As you know, because reliably blue states have more electoral votes than reliably red states, the Democratic candidate need only win one or two of the swing states to win the election. The Republican candidate can only afford to lose 1 or 2 at the most.
I took only polls which were completed in January or February of this year and here are the results - Clinton is leading Trump in 4 of these states (3 by large margins) and Trump slightly ahead in 2). Now what was that about Hillary Clinton not being able to win the general election?
Colorado - no recent polls
Florida - Trump +2.5%
Ohio - Trump +2%
Iowa - Clinton +5%
Nevada - no recent polls
New Hampshire - Clinton +7.5%
Virginia - Clinton +17%
Wisconsin - No recent polls
Pennsylvania - No recent polls
North Carolina - 3 polls - Clinton +1
Keep in mind that there is a long way to go before November and things can change. But if you believe in head to head polls this early on, you have to admit that Hillary certainly can win the general election.
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SunSeeker
(52,687 posts)And is incredibly more qualified than any candidate out there.
Treant
(1,968 posts)vote Trump in November. We didn't vote Romney, we won't vote for Bombastic.
The lack of polling is not significant in this case.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)for Pennsylvania showing Hillary beating Trump by 10 - but it was.....like October something like that.
Haveadream
(1,630 posts)and she has very strong hometown appeal and support in Pennsylvania. Trump is a wild card this year so nothing is for certain but he will have to do a really good job of selling them if he is to carry the state against her positives. In '08 PA went for Hillary in the primary and voted Obama in the general. He also beat Romney there in '12. So, I think (hope!) she has a good shot.
Treant
(1,968 posts)Republican since Papa Bush, and it's not like we're getting more conservative. Quite the opposite.
The current lean is Clinton (strongly) for the Primary. I have no doubt that we'll pull it out again in the generals.
radical noodle
(8,066 posts)There are a lot of skeletons in Trump's closet. The media has kept quiet because they're enjoying the spectacle at the moment. But the msm is not stupid and they know how they would be treated by a Trump administration. If he gets the nomination they will fall all over each other to drag out every last particle of dirt against him. At least I hope so. He's really not been vetted... yet. I imagine Team Hillary is also pulling up all the rugs looking for the dirt that Trump has swept under them. I'm with you... I think Hillary can win if the Republicans don't pull a major dirty trick.
CajunBlazer
(5,648 posts)... is that he has been vetted more than any candidate in recent memory. They have thrown the kitchen sink at her and she is still standing.
radical noodle
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MADem
(135,425 posts)drawn blood.
Seriously, Rubio's not the brightest bulb, but he's looking tough and Trump IS pissed off. You can tell that Marco's Bark-o is getting to him!
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)Everyone else is getting a huge pass.
EileenFB
(360 posts)support Bernie and have told them that Bernie would be another Dukakis or Mondale in the primary. THIS is why republicans want Bernie to win the general - HE IS BEATABLE in the primary.
Our best hope has always been that Hillary becomes our nominee and if they would actually do some research on her, they would be surprised at how much she has in common with their views and that their concerns are hers as well.
Research is their friend.
Basic LA
(2,047 posts)Dems might understand socialism, but in the GE, Bernie would be tarred as the new Red Menace. They would mythologize his honeymoon in the Soviet Union & his playing footsie with the Sandinistas. Then they'd make up stuff & warn the public about putting a commie sleeper-agent in the White House. Oh the fun they'd have.
Lil Missy
(17,865 posts)Bernie would lose to Trump, and possibly some of the others.
anotherproletariat
(1,446 posts)If we can find his soft spot, it should go our way.
BlueCaliDem
(15,438 posts)We tend to forget that.