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Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:00 AM

For those who say Hillary Clinton can't win the general election

(I got tired of those on the GD-P board citing polls to "prove" that Hillary can't with the general election without them, so I posted this on GD-P.)

Many on this board have made statements that Hillary can't win in November citing polls that they have seen. Okay, I think that we can agree that Donald Trump is presumptive Republican nominee. So let's see why establishment Republicans are going into panic mode at the thought of Trump leading the Republican ticket.

I just looked up the latest polls - Clinton vs. Trump - in the swing states of Colorado, Florida, Iowa, Nevada, New Hampshire, Ohio, Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, North Carolina and Virginia. RealClearPolitics.com was my source.

As you know, because reliably blue states have more electoral votes than reliably red states, the Democratic candidate need only win one or two of the swing states to win the election. The Republican candidate can only afford to lose 1 or 2 at the most.

I took only polls which were completed in January or February of this year and here are the results - Clinton is leading Trump in 4 of these states (3 by large margins) and Trump slightly ahead in 2). Now what was that about Hillary Clinton not being able to win the general election?

Colorado - no recent polls

Florida - Trump +2.5%

Ohio - Trump +2%

Iowa - Clinton +5%

Nevada - no recent polls

New Hampshire - Clinton +7.5%

Virginia - Clinton +17%

Wisconsin - No recent polls

Pennsylvania - No recent polls

North Carolina - 3 polls - Clinton +1

Keep in mind that there is a long way to go before November and things can change. But if you believe in head to head polls this early on, you have to admit that Hillary certainly can win the general election.

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Reply For those who say Hillary Clinton can't win the general election (Original post)
CajunBlazer Feb 2016 OP
SunSeeker Feb 2016 #1
Treant Feb 2016 #2
CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #3
Haveadream Feb 2016 #7
Treant Feb 2016 #11
radical noodle Feb 2016 #4
CajunBlazer Feb 2016 #5
radical noodle Feb 2016 #6
MADem Feb 2016 #10
BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #15
EileenFB Feb 2016 #8
Basic LA Feb 2016 #9
Lil Missy Feb 2016 #12
anotherproletariat Feb 2016 #13
BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #14

Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:04 AM

1. Of course she can. She is much more capable of winning than Sanders.

And is incredibly more qualified than any candidate out there.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:09 AM

2. Pennsylvania will NOT

vote Trump in November. We didn't vote Romney, we won't vote for Bombastic.

The lack of polling is not significant in this case.

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Response to Treant (Reply #2)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:13 AM

3. Actually there was an old poll...

for Pennsylvania showing Hillary beating Trump by 10 - but it was.....like October something like that.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #3)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:51 AM

7. Hillary's family is from Scranton

and she has very strong hometown appeal and support in Pennsylvania. Trump is a wild card this year so nothing is for certain but he will have to do a really good job of selling them if he is to carry the state against her positives. In '08 PA went for Hillary in the primary and voted Obama in the general. He also beat Romney there in '12. So, I think (hope!) she has a good shot.

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Response to Haveadream (Reply #7)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:46 AM

11. We haven't voted

Republican since Papa Bush, and it's not like we're getting more conservative. Quite the opposite.

The current lean is Clinton (strongly) for the Primary. I have no doubt that we'll pull it out again in the generals.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:23 AM

4. I believe

There are a lot of skeletons in Trump's closet. The media has kept quiet because they're enjoying the spectacle at the moment. But the msm is not stupid and they know how they would be treated by a Trump administration. If he gets the nomination they will fall all over each other to drag out every last particle of dirt against him. At least I hope so. He's really not been vetted... yet. I imagine Team Hillary is also pulling up all the rugs looking for the dirt that Trump has swept under them. I'm with you... I think Hillary can win if the Republicans don't pull a major dirty trick.

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:33 AM

5. The advantages that Hillary has...

... is that he has been vetted more than any candidate in recent memory. They have thrown the kitchen sink at her and she is still standing.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Reply #5)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:47 AM

6. So true!

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:44 AM

10. This is it, in a nutshell. And Rubio has only been gnawing at his ankles for a day and has already

drawn blood.

Seriously, Rubio's not the brightest bulb, but he's looking tough and Trump IS pissed off. You can tell that Marco's Bark-o is getting to him!

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Response to radical noodle (Reply #4)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:31 PM

15. The *only vetting I've seen happening in U.S. media is of Hillary Clinton.

Everyone else is getting a huge pass.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:11 AM

8. I have some family and friends who

support Bernie and have told them that Bernie would be another Dukakis or Mondale in the primary. THIS is why republicans want Bernie to win the general - HE IS BEATABLE in the primary.

Our best hope has always been that Hillary becomes our nominee and if they would actually do some research on her, they would be surprised at how much she has in common with their views and that their concerns are hers as well.

Research is their friend.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 03:41 AM

9. He'd be branded as Karl Marx Jr.

Dems might understand socialism, but in the GE, Bernie would be tarred as the new Red Menace. They would mythologize his honeymoon in the Soviet Union & his playing footsie with the Sandinistas. Then they'd make up stuff & warn the public about putting a commie sleeper-agent in the White House. Oh the fun they'd have.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 01:55 PM

12. That is just more delusional (wishful) thinking on their part. Frankly, I think

Bernie would lose to Trump, and possibly some of the others.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:16 PM

13. Totally agree, and there really hasn't been any good attacks against Trump...

 

If we can find his soft spot, it should go our way.

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Response to CajunBlazer (Original post)

Sun Feb 28, 2016, 02:30 PM

14. And keep in mind that this is all without President Obama campaigning for her.

We tend to forget that.

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