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Godhumor

(6,437 posts)
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:01 PM Feb 2016

Make your guess. When will public and party calls for Bernie to "drop & endorse" happen? (HRC Group)

Not making a snarky post here; more of a figuring out how the future of going to play out.

Anyway, I see a few different times when Bernie could begin feeling pressure to unify behind Clinton for the GE. In order from latest timeframe possible to earliest:

a) When Hillary mathematically secures the nomination through pledged delegates only

b) When the combination of pledged delegates and superdelegate support equal the number to secure the nomination (Technically, she hasn't won it at this point, but she has secured it in all but name)

c) When her delegate lead is statistically impossible/unlikely to be overcome (Earliest lock on this would be after the mid-March primaries)

d) After Super Tuesday

e) After South Carolina

I think you're going to start hearing murmuring that Bernie should get out after Super Tuesday, but I believe that is probably unfair to him and his supporters. My guess is the pressure will really start when Hillary's delegate lead is statistically unlikely to be overcome and will be very loud when the delegate+super threshold is reached. I feel it is at this point that Bernie endorses Clinton to ensure unification and victory in November.

That said, I think you will see a return to Hillary differentiating herself from the Republican Clown Car after Super Tuesday.

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Make your guess. When will public and party calls for Bernie to "drop & endorse" happen? (HRC Group) (Original Post) Godhumor Feb 2016 OP
Slow bern, its gonna be a while, unfortunately Iliyah Feb 2016 #1
E mainstreetonce Feb 2016 #2
He won't listen to the party. I think d) After Super Tuesday, especially if Hillary wins most of livetohike Feb 2016 #3
Even Rove's super PAC will dump him when they know hes done LOL workinclasszero Feb 2016 #8
From party and public, probably little noise. LuvLoogie Feb 2016 #4
April 1... Right after the March primaries FloridaBlues Feb 2016 #5
He's done now really workinclasszero Feb 2016 #6
Not for a long time. There's more ugliness ahead. MADem Feb 2016 #7
That would depend what Bernie's campaign is about. Is it about weakening the Democratic Party for BlueCaliDem Feb 2016 #9
Why would an Independent care about the Democratic Party? Tommy2Tone Feb 2016 #10
I have to admit I agree pandr32 Feb 2016 #13
Looking at the state of current polls, both for Saturday's South Carolina Primary and.... George II Feb 2016 #11
Either A or the Convention obamanut2012 Feb 2016 #12
It will be hopeless for him sometime in March. onehandle Feb 2016 #14
Bernie is a man of honor taught_me_patience Feb 2016 #15
Probably a. riversedge Feb 2016 #16
It does depend Treant Feb 2016 #17
Drop & Endorse peggysue2 Feb 2016 #18
The BIG question is when he'll actually drop out of the race jmowreader Feb 2016 #19

livetohike

(22,142 posts)
3. He won't listen to the party. I think d) After Super Tuesday, especially if Hillary wins most of
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

the states. My guess is he will stay until the convention, if his money holds up, but I think the campaign may be having trouble with that.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
8. Even Rove's super PAC will dump him when they know hes done LOL
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:15 PM
Feb 2016

How long can the true believers and the nurses pac keep Bernie afloat?

LuvLoogie

(7,003 posts)
4. From party and public, probably little noise.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:08 PM
Feb 2016

I don't think there would be calls except from partisan rank & file.

 

workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
6. He's done now really
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:13 PM
Feb 2016

but it will become obvious to a blind man after super tuesday.

The only reason he would have to stay in all the way to the convention would be to do maximum damage to Hillary in hopes of her losing the GE.

If you go take a peek at GD:primaries you will see legions of Sanders people who want to stop her way more than the republicans.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
7. Not for a long time. There's more ugliness ahead.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:14 PM
Feb 2016

There's going to be more of that Wall Street waaah waah, Clinton Foundation waah waah, corporatist, PTB!!! horseshit flung around. If you grow roses, stand by with a shovel and a bucket, because they'll be blooming like mad with all the fertilizer you'll be able to acquire.

They won't go gently until Jane says they're finished. She's running the show. Devine and Weaver take orders from her.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. That would depend what Bernie's campaign is about. Is it about weakening the Democratic Party for
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:17 PM
Feb 2016

the Republican Party's nominee? Or is it to ensure that no Republican Party clown will ever enter the White House.

Because fact of the matter is, there is no pathway for Bernie to win the Democratic Party nomination. None.

Tommy2Tone

(1,307 posts)
10. Why would an Independent care about the Democratic Party?
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:18 PM
Feb 2016

He's scorch the earth until he has inflicted as much damage as possible and then back to Vermont and back to being an Independent.

or at least is't how I see it

pandr32

(11,582 posts)
13. I have to admit I agree
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:56 PM
Feb 2016

Either this "revolution" stuff has actually gone to his head, or he has had a nasty streak all along. I think both have some truth to them--Bernie just never really was on a big enough soap box for people to notice his nasty streak before. His ego will need to deflate some before he will be able to get back to work in the Senate where his far-left perspective was always good to throw into the mix. As a senator, Sanders, along with Warren, have helped counter the far-right well.

George II

(67,782 posts)
11. Looking at the state of current polls, both for Saturday's South Carolina Primary and....
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 12:21 PM
Feb 2016

...the upcoming March 1 (Super Tuesday) states, there may be a call from some for Sanders to concede and support Clinton as soon as March 2.

Right now she has a 1 delegate lead, that will probably expand to almost 30 on Saturday.

Then, barring any major shifts (don't forget, we're basically less than a week from Super Tuesday), she'll increase that lead to about 200 delegates. And all states in which Sanders could either win or be very close will have voted by that time, leaving virtually zero mathematical chance of Sanders to overtake that 200 delegate lead.

A side benefit should be that with an approximate 200 delegate lead next Wednesday, the vain argument of the "undemocratic" superdelegates will cease to exist.

onehandle

(51,122 posts)
14. It will be hopeless for him sometime in March.
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:00 PM
Feb 2016

But he has enough cash to hold on for a few weeks.

I say he drops out mid-April, at the latest.

He won't take this to the convention.

The earlier he drops out, the more money the DNC will get from him.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
17. It does depend
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 01:35 PM
Feb 2016

If things go as I expect or a little worse, he'll drop when the money dries up. Which should be around Tax Day, plus or minus two weeks.

If he does a little better than I expect, this goes into June.

peggysue2

(10,828 posts)
18. Drop & Endorse
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:06 PM
Feb 2016

I'm still banking on Sanders the man, rather than the shrill version of Sanders from the St Bernard Brigade. In fact, I think Sanders saw the future after the Nevada loss. There was something about the man during that concession speech that signaled to me at least that Bernie Sanders saw future events cascading out of his reach. He knows SC is a goner for him and the man can read polls like the rest of us. He'll most likely take a couple states on Super Tuesday but the delegate count is what it is.

How far will he take it? The campaign says pugnaciously: on to the Convention. Guess it depends whether Sanders the man makes that decision or Sanders the failed candidate continues to flail against the numbers game.

I hope it's the former. Because we need all the ammunition we can gather to push back the rabid Republicans in November.

jmowreader

(50,557 posts)
19. The BIG question is when he'll actually drop out of the race
Tue Feb 23, 2016, 02:35 PM
Feb 2016

The calls will start after Super Tuesday. They'll start getting real heavy after the Washington State primaries.

Our big problem is, there are enough delusional people in his camp he could, conceivably, run a low-profile campaign all the way to Philadelphia. Our primaries are all proportional so he could bring 500-600 delegates and no supers into the convention hall, then run as Jill Stein's VP on the Green ticket after he loses on the first ballot. This would split the Democratic vote and put Trump into the White House.

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