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LiberalFighter

(50,046 posts)
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:35 PM May 2016

Bernie Sanders begins making case to Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates

Yahoo 5-1-2016

Sanders pointed out that although he won Washington state’s Democratic caucuses by 46 points (73 percent to 27 percent) and 25 of the state’s 36 pledged delegates, Clinton has the support of 10 of Washington’s Democratic unpledged superdelegates.

But no mention of the states that Clinton won. If it was applied by the same rational to both sides Clinton would receive 374 while Sanders would be limited to 143. But that was not the purpose of the automatic delegates.

“Let’s be clear,” Sanders said. “It is virtually impossible for Secretary Clinton to reach the majority of convention delegates by June 14 — the end of the primary season — with pledged delegates alone. She will need superdelegates to take her over the top at the convention in Philadelphia. In other words, it will be a contested convention.”

So Sanders is also pushing for the "Convoluted Math" like some of the Bernies over in the other group.

It is doubtful that the delegates supporting Hillary will switch over to Sanders when he has been a jerk towards them.
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Bernie Sanders begins making case to Hillary Clinton’s superdelegates (Original Post) LiberalFighter May 2016 OP
and he still thinks he can win the nomination dlwickham May 2016 #1
No he doesn't. He knows he can't. This is for the money. Squinch May 2016 #6
^This Stuckinthebush May 2016 #12
This is why he sent Jane out on TV to beg the FBI to hurry up and indict Hillary... Walk away May 2016 #20
His "case" looks more like a bushel of sour grapes. "I won this state, so I should get them." IamMab May 2016 #2
Bernie's case sounds like Scalia: "argle bargle" CrowCityDem May 2016 #3
Sanders is lying. He knows that Obama did not win a majority by pledged delegates. Agnosticsherbet May 2016 #4
For me, it has always been astounding... yallerdawg May 2016 #5
Once hillary gets to 2026 pledged, the heat will increase on Bernie's backside. nt BootinUp May 2016 #7
Superdelegates were created to give the party a big part in selecting their nominee splat May 2016 #8
Yes, and here we are, splat! Cha May 2016 #24
Having a majority of pledged delegates that gets you to 2383 stopbush May 2016 #9
You need to stop being so nice to Bernie. LiberalFighter May 2016 #10
perfect. shadowandblossom May 2016 #21
Indeed. SunSeeker May 2016 #11
Yeah, and he's #FeelintheMath and it Berns! Cha May 2016 #13
The same math he used to explain how he would pay for his stopbush May 2016 #15
Sanders is further behind in pledged delegates and I don't see how he is Thinkingabout May 2016 #14
I have the feeling Sanders is setting himself up for a major embarrassment stopbush May 2016 #16
He could land the plane without cross winds but don't see this happening. Thinkingabout May 2016 #18
She will receive more delegates. LiberalFighter May 2016 #17
They will make their endorsements soon, think some have, just have not said the words yet. Thinkingabout May 2016 #19
In 2008, didn't Hillary have more of the popular vote... Satch59 May 2016 #22
Your memory is the same as mine. nt BootinUp May 2016 #23
And not once did she call for a contested convention. nt SunSeeker May 2016 #25
Check out the comments to the TPM article on this! SunSeeker May 2016 #26
That was a very vicious evisceration indeed. KitSileya May 2016 #32
Fools are ripped apart on TPM--no hides for hurting fee-fees. SunSeeker May 2016 #33
one of my favs: BootinUp May 2016 #36
"Go home Bernie, you're drunk" Maru Kitteh May 2016 #37
Oh wow, that was great reading... Satch59 May 2016 #38
hilarious! sarae May 2016 #39
It seems the presidency has now become his obsession. To think oasis May 2016 #27
At this point ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #28
I expect him to be millions in the red once he stopbush May 2016 #29
I'm particularly curious ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #30
Yep. That really is a scandal. You can't use campaign donations for relatives' vacays. SunSeeker May 2016 #34
I don't see how the trip ... NanceGreggs May 2016 #35
But, isn't the pope a superdelegate? Koinos May 2016 #40
Well, considering how he and the minions 2naSalit May 2016 #31
"Vote my way or else," is not a good campaign strategy. Koinos May 2016 #41
Yup. Tell-tale sign right there.......nt 2naSalit May 2016 #44
I don't think he understands the meaning of a "contested convention." Koinos May 2016 #42
His campaign has gone off the rails. sufrommich May 2016 #43

Stuckinthebush

(10,800 posts)
12. ^This
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:04 PM
May 2016

It is disingenuous. He's not an idiot and he knows that there is no chance. He also understands quite well the rules.

It's for the money

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
20. This is why he sent Jane out on TV to beg the FBI to hurry up and indict Hillary...
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:56 PM
May 2016

not because he believes it will ever happen. It's because he needs to convince his Followers that Hillary is on her way to jail and that the Super Delegates will have to elect him. It's the only way he can still milk them for their $$$. Even they aren't besotted enough to throw money down the toilet, so he had to create a scenario in which he is magically named the nominee.

That's why they all talk about Hillary being indicted all the time. They actually believe him (or his surrogate scam artist Jane) and they click a few more bucks to him.

 

IamMab

(1,359 posts)
2. His "case" looks more like a bushel of sour grapes. "I won this state, so I should get them."
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:38 PM
May 2016

He's got Tad Devine on staff and still doesn't understand how super-delegates function.

If this is Bernie's new tune, I'm changing the station.

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
4. Sanders is lying. He knows that Obama did not win a majority by pledged delegates.
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:42 PM
May 2016

Whoever wins the most delegates will be the winner.

yallerdawg

(16,104 posts)
5. For me, it has always been astounding...
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:43 PM
May 2016

to have a goal based on including superdelegates - and then an argument we shouldn't count superdelegates.

Another 'higher standard' for Hillary!

splat

(2,279 posts)
8. Superdelegates were created to give the party a big part in selecting their nominee
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:50 PM
May 2016

After McGovern's huge loss, those who were actual working members of the party wanted a way to make sure their candidate was electable, not just a current wave of rhetoric.

The rules were created to counterbalance the Bernies.

stopbush

(24,313 posts)
9. Having a majority of pledged delegates that gets you to 2383
Sun May 1, 2016, 07:53 PM
May 2016

without the supers means getting 59% of the pledged delegates. This isn't the Senate. There is no filibuster to overcome.

Sanders is saying that if he gets only 42% of the of the pledged delegates to Hillary's 58% that the convention is contested.

Bernie, you are an asshole.

SunSeeker

(51,063 posts)
11. Indeed.
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:00 PM
May 2016

Can you imagine the epithets that would be flying Hillary's way if she was in Sanders’s position (i.e. behind in delegates) and was making this argument? "Asshole" would be one of the nicer ones.

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
14. Sanders is further behind in pledged delegates and I don't see how he is
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:10 PM
May 2016

Planning on gaining enough pledged delegates for him to win. It doesn't sound reasonable to ask Hillary to have the required number of delegates with pledged and allow him to come from behind, take super delegates to make up the difference. No, they are not going to have a rule for Hillary and another for Bernie. I would like to see Hillary achieve more delegates and negate this math.

stopbush

(24,313 posts)
16. I have the feeling Sanders is setting himself up for a major embarrassment
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:27 PM
May 2016

at the convention at the hands of the DNC.

LiberalFighter

(50,046 posts)
17. She will receive more delegates.
Sun May 1, 2016, 08:29 PM
May 2016

Likely receive nearly all of the remaining automatic delegates. I have her with 489 but some media or others show her with 522 I think. So there are either 192 or 150 left. Some automatic delegates are not making it public their support of Clinton because of the behavior of some of the Bernie supporters.

She should also receive a minimum of an additional 530 pledged delegates.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
22. In 2008, didn't Hillary have more of the popular vote...
Sun May 1, 2016, 09:44 PM
May 2016

And knew she'd never have enough delegates and took the classy road and conceded and then fully supported Obama?

Bernie will do harm to the Dem Party and to himself if he takes it to the convention... There is no way in hell any super delegates will swing to him... I have lost all respect for Bernie and his scorched earth team... He will be an embarrassment when over.

KitSileya

(4,035 posts)
32. That was a very vicious evisceration indeed.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:15 AM
May 2016

These people on TPM don't tolerate fools gladly, do they?

SunSeeker

(51,063 posts)
33. Fools are ripped apart on TPM--no hides for hurting fee-fees.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:16 AM
May 2016

And those pro-Hillary commenters really know their facts.

BootinUp

(46,533 posts)
36. one of my favs:
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:16 AM
May 2016


cf2k
8h
georgeh

Bernie's been proving his legislative uselessness for decades at the Federal level. He's not a "fighter"; he's a scolder, a whiner, and now, a carpetbagger.

Satch59

(1,353 posts)
38. Oh wow, that was great reading...
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:24 AM
May 2016

Amazing comments... I truly hope this gets some airplay this week and let's see if he changes his tune if (when?) she wins IN on Tues? Some new Hillary suragates like senators need to start coming out and calling bs on BS...

sarae

(3,284 posts)
39. hilarious!
Mon May 2, 2016, 02:37 AM
May 2016

This has to be one of my favorite comments:
"Good grief ...I hope he isn't using the same calculator for his economic policies."

oasis

(49,045 posts)
27. It seems the presidency has now become his obsession. To think
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:28 PM
May 2016

he began his candidacy on little more than a whim.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
28. At this point ...
Sun May 1, 2016, 11:35 PM
May 2016

... I'll give Bernie full credit where it's due: When it comes to the grift, he's a master at it.

He needs his followers to believe that he will be the nominee one way or the other. That's the only way the donations keep flowing.

The money spigot is already starting to dry up. He's going to look like an even bigger fool than he already does if - after promising his fans that he'll "stay in it until the last state votes" - he doesn't have the money to do it.

A con artist from the get-go. If he's actually stupid enough to think he still has a shot at the nomination, that alone proves he's too stupid to be president.

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
30. I'm particularly curious ...
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:02 AM
May 2016

... as to the Vatican trip being allowed as a campaign expense.

I have a feeling that line item is going to bite him in the ass.

SunSeeker

(51,063 posts)
34. Yep. That really is a scandal. You can't use campaign donations for relatives' vacays.
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:21 AM
May 2016

I mean it's bad enough Sanders dipped into campaign money for his trip to Rome, but he also took Jane and 10 relatives...on a privately chartered Boeing 767!

NanceGreggs

(27,813 posts)
35. I don't see how the trip ...
Mon May 2, 2016, 01:29 AM
May 2016

... could be written-off as a campaign expense even if he'd traveled alone - no less with the family entourage.

If he'd stayed in Italy longer and met up with American ex-pat groups who will be voting via absentee ballot in upcoming primaries, he could have made an argument (a weak argument, but an argument nonetheless) that this was a "campaign" trip. But even then, how do you explain how your entire family needed to accompany you?

Koinos

(2,791 posts)
40. But, isn't the pope a superdelegate?
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:20 AM
May 2016

It will be interesting to see how his campaign justifies that trip, which it admitted was " not political."

In light of the FEC violations and flagging donations, I predict that Bernie's campaign will end up in the red, unless he decides not to compete in California.

2naSalit

(84,940 posts)
31. Well, considering how he and the minions
Mon May 2, 2016, 12:43 AM
May 2016

have been harassing them relentlessly and rudely, I can see how they will just flip to the party crasher.



Takes some gall there.

Koinos

(2,791 posts)
41. "Vote my way or else," is not a good campaign strategy.
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:24 AM
May 2016

What I see here is a campaign totally lacking in social or political skills.

It is a campaign that acquires "followers," but not friends.

Koinos

(2,791 posts)
42. I don't think he understands the meaning of a "contested convention."
Mon May 2, 2016, 05:30 AM
May 2016

Superdelegates vote with delegates in the first ballot. I see no likelihood of a second ballot.

sufrommich

(22,871 posts)
43. His campaign has gone off the rails.
Mon May 2, 2016, 06:49 AM
May 2016

I'm not sure if he's doing this to keep the cash flowing or if he's really this delusional,either way he's done.

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