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LiberalFighter

(50,064 posts)
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 12:59 AM Apr 2016

Sanders and his supporters claim that he is boosting turnout. (2/10/16)

Voter turnout challenges Sanders’ recipe for success
The old political-science models, Team Sanders argues, are of limited use. Indeed, they’re stale and out of date, failing to reflect the kind of massive progressive turnout that Bernie Sanders – and only Bernie Sanders – can create.

This isn’t the entirety of Sanders’ pitch, but it’s a key pillar: the Vermont senator will boost turnout, which will propel him and Democratic candidates up and down the ballot to victory.


They argue Sanders has been boosting turnout yet there hasn't been any data proving their assertion. It seems they are just pulling it out of thin air. If his campaign would boost turnout it would show up in the primaries. And the numbers show that currently 2008 had a higher turnout than 2016 by over 6.2 million votes. Even if only Clinton and Obama are totaled for 2008 it is over 5 million more than in 2016.

What has happened is Hillary has received more votes in many of the 2016 contests then she did in 2008.

There are only 16 primaries and 4 caucuses left. 66% of the contests are over and time is running out. Where is the momentum? Why is Sanders' "resonating" message not boosting his campaign? Possibly because his message is not wide enough. They did not target a big enough slice of the pie.
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Sanders and his supporters claim that he is boosting turnout. (2/10/16) (Original Post) LiberalFighter Apr 2016 OP
Let them live their fantasy Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Apr 2016 #1
Very simple. Shakiholic Apr 2016 #2
All the result of Revolution Messaging, a business focused on boosting a candidate's online presence BlueCaliDem Apr 2016 #10
Yeah, they "claim" a lot of shite.. lol Cha Apr 2016 #3
They never... JSup Apr 2016 #4
The carpet-bombing of ads Treant Apr 2016 #5
Pulling out of thin air? MarianJack Apr 2016 #6
LOL! Having a guilty laugh here. Surya Gayatri Apr 2016 #7
There was more votes in 2008, if Hillary has more votes in 2016 than Thinkingabout Apr 2016 #8
Right. If I can get the data so can others. LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #13
It will be over soon. Kath1 Apr 2016 #9
It can't come soon enough Stuckinthebush Apr 2016 #11
Sanders' theory is more fit for a comedy site than a political one. Because it's a joke. nt IamMab Apr 2016 #12
SNL Yadda Yadda Yadda Big Bank Breakup LiberalFighter Apr 2016 #14
That was great! SharonClark Apr 2016 #15
I thought this was a very, very interesting sentence... fleabiscuit Apr 2016 #16
Yes, he's boosting turnout - people are now motivated to vote - AGAINST him. George II Apr 2016 #17

Shakiholic

(10 posts)
2. Very simple.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 01:07 AM
Apr 2016

Most up votes on reddit, most likes on Facebook, most Twitter followers, and 27,000 people in NY rally must mean there is a turnout boost! Just ignore your opponent being 200 delegates and 2.5 million votes ahead of yours. You're totally winning in Facebook likes all that matters. 😖

Sorry.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
10. All the result of Revolution Messaging, a business focused on boosting a candidate's online presence
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:33 AM
Apr 2016

And the BS campaign has paid over $16 million dollars for the privilege, which includes fundraising - and Revolution Messaging is boasting that they've helped BS break fundraising records.

(scroll down) https://revolutionmessaging.com/jobs/



Lots of hostility, anger, enraging, and ginning up "rage against the machine" for BS, but these don't translate into votes at the only polls that count (unlike the way Senator Obama was able to do in 2008 using the same service - and he broke fundraising records, too).

It's no secret that BS has broken records in online fundraising, FB likes, FB new accounts, online clickety-click polls, pro-BS tweets, and escalated online attacks of Clinton supporters, which even she admits she's never seen in '08. That's because, in '08, Senator Obama was using Revolution Messaging, and he ensured his online presence wasn't negative. BS can't help himself and is only negative.

Treant

(1,968 posts)
5. The carpet-bombing of ads
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 02:16 AM
Apr 2016

already started here in PA for Sanders. It's...gonna be a long ten days until the Primary and Clinton's win here.

As noted, a boost in turnout would, inevitably, result in a win for said candidate. And so far, Clinton is far, far ahead. Therefore...which candidate has higher turnout? Clinton. QED.

Let 'em dream, it can be fun. It's over already, but it should be obvious after Tuesday and downright blatant after April 26th.

MarianJack

(10,237 posts)
6. Pulling out of thin air?
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 06:10 AM
Apr 2016

I actually thought that Back Bench Bernie was pulling most of his rhetoric out of a much more indelicate place. Maybe the Depends are getting in the way!

PEACE!

Thinkingabout

(30,058 posts)
8. There was more votes in 2008, if Hillary has more votes in 2016 than
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:18 AM
Apr 2016

2008, kinda says Sanders has less votes than Obama. If the conclusion he is turning out more votes it is something they can nit prove. Do they know there are records maintained?

LiberalFighter

(50,064 posts)
13. Right. If I can get the data so can others.
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:25 AM
Apr 2016

The only difference is how easy to make the comparison between the two periods and campaigns. In quite a few cases, Sanders did very poorly compared to 2008 numbers.

Stuckinthebush

(10,802 posts)
11. It can't come soon enough
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:45 AM
Apr 2016

The sophomoric behavior in GdP is an indication of the nature of his supporters. I can't wait to see this place clear out many of them. They certainly won't be able to tone down their silly anti Clinton and anti Dem rhetoric when Clinton is the nominee. Lots of tombstones will be seen I'm afraid.

fleabiscuit

(4,542 posts)
16. I thought this was a very, very interesting sentence...
Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:14 PM
Apr 2016

"...When GOP officials, leaders, and candidates take steps to help the Sanders campaign, it’s pretty obvious why...."

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