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Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 11:41 AM Jun 2014

One of the Bills calling for a Constitutional Convention

to overturn Citizen's United and McCutcheon passed the State Senate Judiciary committee on Tuesday, June 10th, by a vote of 5 to 2.

http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billTextClient.xhtml

California may very well be the 2nd state (after Vermont), to call for a Constitutional Convention.

Here's video of the hearing on Tuesday. The 99Rise Marchers are still on the road to Sacramento but 3 of them broke away and went ahead to attend the hearing. TYT's Wolf Pac came in in DROVES to support the measure.

http://calchannel.granicus.com/MediaPlayer.php?view_id=7&clip_id=2224

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One of the Bills calling for a Constitutional Convention (Original Post) Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 OP
It's a long, painful process Keefer Jun 2014 #1
So, what do yo propose? Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #2
I don't HAVE a "proposal." Keefer Jun 2014 #4
So, because the GOP states may not go along with it Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #6
I never said to give up Keefer Jun 2014 #7
Actually, you posited that there are Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #8
What else are people to take away from your posts? Keefer Jun 2014 #11
A constitutional convention is all powerful TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #3
And I ask again, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #5
My understanding of Article V is that it doesn't matter TexasProgresive Jun 2014 #9
And each state legislature must pass Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #10
We Cannot Fix Citizens United With a Constitutional Convention… AndyTiedye Jun 2014 #12
And I'll ask you as I asked the others, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #13
Hold On to the Presidency and the Senate… AndyTiedye Jun 2014 #14
Historically, what has happened, Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #15
That Can't Happen Now, the RWNJs Own the House AndyTiedye Jun 2014 #16
The timeline on this will be 5-10 years. Le Taz Hot Jun 2014 #17

Keefer

(713 posts)
4. I don't HAVE a "proposal."
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:12 PM
Jun 2014

I was merely pointing out the sad fact that there are too many GOP states.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
6. So, because the GOP states may not go along with it
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:32 PM
Jun 2014

we should accept the status quo? Congress sure as hell isn't going to do it -- they're the primary beneficiaries of the current pay-as-you-go system.

If you believe the analysts, the reason Cantor lost was the Teaklanner was asserting that the Establishment Republicans, and specifically, Cantor, as too beholden to the 1%. If that is indeed the case, I see a a huge opportunity here.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
8. Actually, you posited that there are
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:06 PM
Jun 2014

too many GOP states who won't go along with it (not proven since it's not been tried) yet you don't have another suggestion as to how to address the Citizen's United decision. What else are people to take away from your posts?

Keefer

(713 posts)
11. What else are people to take away from your posts?
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 03:01 PM
Jun 2014

My oh my. Nothing. I didn't intend people to "take away" anything.

TexasProgresive

(12,181 posts)
3. A constitutional convention is all powerful
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:04 PM
Jun 2014

It has the ability to set aside the whole of the present constitution and all amendments and write a new one. There is no way to limit the convention to a single issue. Are you ready for that?

Add these states to your 2:
States With a Standing Call for a Constitutional Convention

Alaska
Arizona
Arkansas
Delaware
Colorado
Georgia
Idaho
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Maryland
Mississippi
Missouri
Nebraska
Nevada
New Hampshire
New Mexico
North Carolina
North Dakota
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylvania
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Virginia
Wyoming

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
5. And I ask again,
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 12:29 PM
Jun 2014

what do you propose?

All of those states have passed an application to repeal Citizen's United? Please provide links to 5 of these because I've spoken with people actually in the know on this subject and they have all stated that only Vermont has passed an application SPECIFICALLY addressing the Citizen's United decision.

ETA: Beginning at 11:30, he begins to discuss the fact that this is a SINGLE ISSUE application. All you have to do is listen to the hearing and he will answer your concerns.

It's simply amazing that so many here are just willing to give up, do nothing and accept the status quo because "n might happen."

TexasProgresive

(12,181 posts)
9. My understanding of Article V is that it doesn't matter
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:24 PM
Jun 2014

why the various states requested a convention. Once the convention is convened it is not limited to a particular agenda and may dissolve the present constitution and write a new one. This is what happened with the one and only convention which was called to amend the Articles of Confederation. Instead of amendment the Articles were dissolved to be replaced with our present constitution.

A new constitutional convention stacked with RWNJs could lead to a despotic theocratic state that would make any nation under Sharia law look kind and tolerant.

This is quicksand that I for one, fear to tread.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
10. And each state legislature must pass
Thu Jun 12, 2014, 01:32 PM
Jun 2014

with a 75% majority and if anything is added other than this one Amendment, it will go down in defeat.

As I mentioned above to another poster, analysts are saying that the reason Cantor was defeated was that his opponent and the Teaklanners are tired of the Establishment Republicans representing only the 1%. I firmly believe that some of the Red state would indeed go along with this.

We have to try something. The USSC isn't going to reverse their decision and Congress, who benefits from the status quo, certainly is not going to introduce the Amendment. Our only recourse is 34 states coming together to propose a Constitutional Convention.

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
12. We Cannot Fix Citizens United With a Constitutional Convention…
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 02:35 AM
Jun 2014

…because any Constitutional Convention will be stacked with right-wingers due to their control of the majority of state legislatures.

Such a Convention might do a lot of other things though, none of them good.

We cannot be sure that they won't control 3/4 of the state legislatures by the time a Convention has convened. We have been doing very badly at the state level, even in elections we won by a landslide nationally, and gerrymandering has made the GOP advantage there permanent.

There is no upside to a Constitutional Convention, and a huge potential downside. Don't do it!

AndyTiedye

(23,500 posts)
14. Hold On to the Presidency and the Senate…
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 03:20 PM
Jun 2014

…until Scalia kicks the bucket. There is no other way.

A Constitutional convention could not possibly achieve the desired result, or anything else good, as long as the state legislatures, that choose the delegates to such a convention, are mostly held by rapeuglicans.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
15. Historically, what has happened,
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 04:13 PM
Jun 2014

and this is what happened with the 18th Amendment (repeal of prohibition), is that the states started the ball rolling with the call for a Constitutional Convention, Congress FINALLY got the message and repealed it themselves. This is actually what most are hoping/betting will happen but it's up to the states to put a fire under their collective derriers. As for Scalia kicking the bucket, well, as we've all seen with Cheney, the evil ones tend to live forever so I'm not holding my breath.

Le Taz Hot

(22,271 posts)
17. The timeline on this will be 5-10 years.
Fri Jun 13, 2014, 08:28 PM
Jun 2014

The Republicans AND the Democrats need to pay attention to the populism that is coming their way. The defeat of Cantor is just the first shot across the bough, there will be more coming. When the people start demanding that the whores in Congress and the Senate stop kowtowing to the 1%, they will have no choice but to listen or be replaced.

You're free to sit there and take whatever crumbs the 1% has to throw to you. Personally, I prefer the activist route and trying to do something about the unacceptable status quo.

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