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Related: About this forumGood grief I am tired of Outlander's dark gloomy violence.
A little goes a long way with me. I just read an article in which Sam Heughan says it is going to get even darker next year? If so, then they may have get darker without me. I have not started the 2nd book even though I ordered it a few months ago.
How the heck much darker and violent can it get than it has been for weeks?
Very disappointed.
Silver Gaia
(4,546 posts)The last two episodes were horrible. I have loved most every episode of this show up until these last two episodes. All that rape and torture in the dungeon was just too much! We didn't need all of that to understand what happened! sheesh. That's NOT what I watch this show for. Starz and Ron Moore had better wise up. They're ruining a good thing. (I also could care less about seeing the bad guy full frontal--just gross.)
I haven't read the books. Was this described the same way in the novels (drawn out graphic rape and torture)? Maybe so, but I just can't imagine it. This was worse than some horror shows! <gag>
hlthe2b
(102,357 posts)Last edited Sun May 31, 2015, 12:16 PM - Edit history (1)
some details are best left to the imagination. Uggh. Too much!
On edit, after finally getting through the (DVR'd) finale, after three stops/starts, I am heartened they end it on a happier note... Heavens, though..
RockaFowler
(7,429 posts)I can't re-watch either of them.
I thought it was better just leaving it where it was at the beginning of the last episode. We didn't need to see all of that. The torture alone in Jamie's mind would have been enough for me.
I'm glad it had a somewhat happy ending, though. It's the only redeeming quality of the whole episode.
Not sure about next year being darker:
http://deadline.com/2015/05/outlander-finale-spoilers-season-2-ep-ronald-d-moore-diana-gabaldon-1201434415/
It's going to be a lot different in France
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)but I know that the violence was hard to read about in the books. It was very graphic!
FarPoint
(12,437 posts)That said, it just gave me stress....I think it could of been translated with much, much less graphic information. I may or may not watch next season.
SoCalDem
(103,856 posts)FarPoint
(12,437 posts)I love the story and characters... Just don't need all the intimate violence to understand. It's depressing basicly.
Silver Gaia
(4,546 posts)I don't think we could have made it through the episode at all without fast forwarding through that crap!
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)tavernier
(12,400 posts)The TV version is Sesame Street compared with what she does to some of her characters in the books (and I've read them all twice). She has a sadistic streak, for certain.
The problem is, when she's not PMS-ing and hormonal (oh shut up, I'm female and know of which I speak), she fleshes out some damned fine characters and gives them some damned interesting things to do.
The future episodes will have major highs and lows; that I can promise you. But I would stick around if only to keep enjoying the fantastic acting and chemistry between the three main characters. I think there are Emmy's in their future.
AwakeAtLast
(14,133 posts)They are some of the bravest actors I've seen in a while. Very rare to see historical brutality portrayed so realistically.
madfloridian
(88,117 posts)I guess such dark violence is easier to read than watch. The toughest parts I could read through enough to get the drift, but still get the essence of the characters. So I guess I did not pay as much attention in the book, but the way it dwelled on the violence and humiliation on TV got to me.
I was looking for that interview I mentioned in the OP, didn't find it. But I did read that Sam got drunk to get through those scenes. Much of the crew stayed away.
Sometimes I wonder at what price someone must get across their view that violence like that exists? I really do wonder at the need for it, other than it's what Diana G. wants.
DebJ
(7,699 posts)but then, Jack Randall's need to totally subjugate and crush Jamie seems to me to be the absolute darkest possible thing any human soul could want......you know, like the Koch Bros et al.......I'm not actually kidding there....they have no need of money, so clearly crushing as much of humanity as possible via financial strangulation and deprivation of an increasing number of basic human needs is a sport to them and their cohorts... I see Jack Randall as a symbol for them. Such incredibly hideous life forms have always existed among the human race, and still do; it is just the methods they use that alter a bit with time, technology, and the particular civilization...methods that are more subtle....and do seem to include a desire to have the victims adoring them as well.........
The darkest parts were psychological, in my opinion...and that truly is the central point of this...and Jamie's responses over time throughout the books. I think the TV version did an excellent job portraying this, and most of the violence was implied, not explicitly shown.
As I've read the books, I realize how truly comfortable humanity is (in this country) these days, compared to human existence in other periods of history. None of the violence I have read in the books seemed gratuitous, but rather, simply the unavoidable reality of living in those times and those places. It makes me realize how fortunate I am to have been born in the time and place that I was.
If anyone else has read the books and recalls what Sam Heughan is referring to, could you please PM me? I'm way too far into book 5 to go back and flip through book 2. The last 300-400 pages of any of the Outlander Books is just too exciting for me to ever put down. This must be what a crack addict feels like. Diana's writing is exquisite. Her knowledge of so many things...various cultures, history, medicinal practices, horticulture, and so many other tidbits she has in her books continues to amaze me. And if I could stop reading long enough to google some definitions, I would have added a large number of words to my vocab...not so many as to be overwhelming, but more, intriguing...guess I'll do that on a re-read. I never re-read, but I can see me doing it with these books. They are spectacular.
The first time it was on my tv, I was hurriedly preparing to leave for a family emergency, while my hubby and a friend watched it in the other room. I kept hearing sounds of horror from them...rushed into living room to see...OMG it was 2 men kissing! Come on, this is 2015! Given that I knew the story line, having read the books, and they did not, when they started with this extreme response to that, I suppose that made me toss aside their other reactions later.... there were similar responses from them for other things as well on the TV screen, which showed actually very little, but intimated much more.
tavernier
(12,400 posts)😂😂 Poor guy couldn't catch a break in one of her books!
Not to mention what she does to the pirate.
geek tragedy
(68,868 posts)seen on television.