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robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 01:00 PM Aug 2017

Minuteman Missile Historic Site in South Dakota Road Trip Day 4 Episode 7

It might be easy to think of the Cold War as something in the past. With that thought, it might be easy to think we’re no longer in danger of nuclear war. But when we visited the Minuteman Missile National Historic Site in South Dakota, it not only brought the past vividly to life, it also served as a sober reminder of how the threat of nuclear annihilation never really went away. (P.S. We shot and edited this before Trump went on his "fire and fury" trip!)

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Minuteman Missile Historic Site in South Dakota Road Trip Day 4 Episode 7 (Original Post) robertpaulsen Aug 2017 OP
Love the old school mechanical teletype... hunter Aug 2017 #1
Everything there was carefully preserved. robertpaulsen Aug 2017 #2
I used to work in a newsroom with an AP teletype. hunter Aug 2017 #3
Our tour guide Steve did a great job conveying that day-to-day intensity. robertpaulsen Aug 2017 #5
My astronomy professor was a ground observer in the USSR during the Apollo-Soyuz mission.... Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #4
That's smart thinking. robertpaulsen Aug 2017 #6
I suspect Russia was forced to adopt the US's thinking.... Brother Buzz Aug 2017 #7
Yeah, you're probably right. robertpaulsen Aug 2017 #8

hunter

(38,311 posts)
1. Love the old school mechanical teletype...
Fri Aug 11, 2017, 05:26 PM
Aug 2017

... no transistors to burn out in the EMP of a nuclear strike.

A long time ago, on usenet maybe, I remember people mocking the vacuum tubes of a Soviet fighter that had been delivered to the West by a defecting pilot.

Turns out, nope, it wasn't a sign of technological backwardness, it's that vacuum tubes don't fail like transistors do when nuclear bombs are going off all around.

That teletype was connected to a communications system that would survive nuclear blasts.





robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
2. Everything there was carefully preserved.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 12:48 PM
Aug 2017

So yes, that teletype is authentic Cold War tech. Once we got into the underground part of the facility, it really felt like that opening scene from Wargames where Michael Madsen is pointing his gun at the other soldier for refusing to follow protocol. I didn't feel claustrophobia, but I definitely could sense how tension could thrive in that environment.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
3. I used to work in a newsroom with an AP teletype.
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 01:15 PM
Aug 2017

Major breaking news (Ronald Reagan getting shot, for example...) was announced by the teletype's bell.

ding, ding, ding...

That would get the adrenaline flowing.

I can't imagine how much worse that bell would be sitting in an underground bunker next to a giant missile.

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
5. Our tour guide Steve did a great job conveying that day-to-day intensity.
Sun Aug 13, 2017, 01:45 PM
Aug 2017

He served there from 1974 to 1976. That sound of the teletype's bell with each drill always brought forth the thought, "What if this time it's not a drill?" Definitely not a long term position to hold!

Brother Buzz

(36,428 posts)
4. My astronomy professor was a ground observer in the USSR during the Apollo-Soyuz mission....
Sat Aug 12, 2017, 02:01 PM
Aug 2017

and observed the same thing; vacuum tubes everywhere and not one transistor in sight. It was explained to him why they used them.

Note: The vacuum tube isn't 100% resistant to a strong EMP burst, but it is a whole lot more survivable than the 100% failure rate transistor.

50% of everything, or 100% of nothing

robertpaulsen

(8,632 posts)
6. That's smart thinking.
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 04:38 PM
Aug 2017

I'm wondering if the USA has adjusted their thinking on those type of contingencies.

Brother Buzz

(36,428 posts)
7. I suspect Russia was forced to adopt the US's thinking....
Mon Aug 14, 2017, 05:22 PM
Aug 2017

Harden the electronic device.

Think about it, there is NO WAY you can build today's microprocessors using vacuum tubes today and expect to fit it into an airplane. The first vacuum tube computer, ENIAC (WWll), used 17,000 tubes, weighed 30 tons, and consumed 140 kilowatts of electricity. And it was horribly slow, that is, until a tube burned out.....

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