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Celerity

(43,918 posts)
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 06:35 AM Oct 2022

The Best Pasta Shapes, According to Italian Chefs

You won’t find fettuccine or macaroni on this list.

https://www.thrillist.com/eat/nation/best-pasta-shapes-according-to-italian-chefs


Glazed shortribs with lumache pasta. | Courtesy of North Italia

When it comes to pasta, I mostly love it all. Sheets of lasagna stacked high, the way peas can nestle perfectly in orecchiette, the heft of tagliatelle. I would be lying, however, if I said I didn’t have a favorite. I am a lover of cavatappi—perfect corkscrews that can stand up to a meaty sauce or bathe luxuriously in buttery cream. My colleagues have differing opinions as to what constitutes the best, however. We debated the merits of wavy tangles of mafaldine versus the irresistible curve of creste di gallo, which resembles a rooster’s comb. For long pasta, is spaghetti, bucatini, or linguine preferred? (There will be no mention of angel hair, because—to me—its thin strands are quite possibly the worst pasta shape.) To settle any debate, I’ve decided to ask pasta professionals—Italians and Italian Americans in the food industry—to share what their favorite pasta shapes are. They wax poetic about what sauces to pair with their favorites and why the shapes are so special. And if you weren’t already buying lumache, this is a sign to start. Here’s what our experts had to say.



Chris Curtiss

Brand Chef, North Italia

Favorite pasta shape: Tonnarelli

What sauce does it go best with: Tomato-based sauces

Why it’s the best: “I really love tonnarelli, which mimics the classic spaghetti alla chitarra that is well known in the Abruzzo region of Italy. Tonnarelli differs from traditional spaghetti because of its squared cross-section, whereas spaghetti is round. This pairs perfectly with a tomato-based sauce because of its robust mouthfeel, plus it’s easy to eat. At North, for our new fall menu that we’ll release later this month, we’ve chosen to elevate this pasta shape even further by creating a squid ink version. The pasta dough is created fresh daily using squid ink, then extruded and paired with a spicy bomba tomato sauce and vermouth to highlight the variety of seafood included in the dish such as calamari and tiger shrimp. For those at home, my advice for venturing out into using tonnarelli would be to try swapping it out for spaghetti in recipes you already have. You’d be surprised how drastically a dish can change by updating the style of noodle you’re using.”




Benjamin Dodaro

Executive Chef, Patina Restaurant Group

Favorite pasta shape: Mafalde

What sauce does it go best with: Hearty ragu or cacio e pepe

Why it’s the best: Mafalde is an extremely versatile pasta, which is why it’s one of the best to have in your pantry. I personally like to describe it as if a wavy lasagna and fettuccine had a baby, they would make mafalde. We make a homemade mafalde verde with sweet Italian sausage, fennel, onions, white wine, Calabrian chili and finished off with extra virgin olive oil and pecorino romano. This dish is always a guest favorite when it’s on the menu.




Michele Mazza

Chef, Il Mulino New York

Favorite pasta shape: Bucatini

What sauce does it go best with: Amatriciana sauce


Why it’s the best: Bucatini is unique as it is a long noodle with a hole in the middle, when mixed with amatriciana sauce the sauce becomes a part of the pasta. It’s like a love affair. People should try it as the bucatini can be cut or broken and shaped to different sizes for use in different dishes such as soup or with Parmigiano Reggiano. I love it because if I cook too much, the next day for breakfast I can mix it with eggs, mozzarella and Parmigiano Reggiano cheese to make a frittata.


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The Best Pasta Shapes, According to Italian Chefs (Original Post) Celerity Oct 2022 OP
Thanks. I will buy those fancy atisan shaped pastas that look nice uncooked but have uneven cooking. TheBlackAdder Oct 2022 #1
The best pasta shapes True Dough Oct 2022 #2
The Chinese invented pasta YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #3
the Chinese did not invent Roman/Italian pasta, that is a myth Celerity Oct 2022 #4
Bullshit , Chinese culture has been around far YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #5
Non sequitur. Simply being around longer doesn't prove who invented what. I am not going to argue Celerity Oct 2022 #7
How about being around 4000 years longer than Roman history YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #8
wasn't this about pasta? Javaman Oct 2022 #10
Exactly YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #14
Again, that's not germane to the history of Greco-Roman pasta, which my first reply already Celerity Oct 2022 #12
The Chinese invented Romans. Orrex Oct 2022 #15
No one said that. YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #16
Pretty sure that I haven't claimed that you did Orrex Oct 2022 #19
This message was self-deleted by its author YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #17
The African hominids who shared a common ancestor (ca. 6 to 8 million years ago) with the great apes Celerity Oct 2022 #20
I loves me some A. Afarensis linguini! Orrex Oct 2022 #22
Pliocene Primavera FTW. Was a big hit in the Awash valley area 3.2 million years ago. Celerity Oct 2022 #24
I prefer the old joke by Carl Sagan... Javaman Oct 2022 #27
It might've been from millet but the Chinese YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #18
That wasn't the claim. I never said all types of noodles were Mediterranean in origin, and spaghetti Celerity Oct 2022 #23
The Shanghai dynasty was 3000 years old. YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #25
And? The Chinese were not making pasta then. Also, I think you mean the Shang dynasty, not Shanghai Celerity Oct 2022 #33
Yes The Shang dynesty... YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #35
Yes The Shang dynesty... YoshidaYui Oct 2022 #36
I have never tried any of these shapes. I like angel hair and rotini. But the recipe below japple Oct 2022 #6
Yeah.... da fuck do they know? 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #9
Maybe that's why she's your ex? COL Mustard Oct 2022 #34
I am Sicilian American, and I break my spaghetti in half to cook. tblue37 Oct 2022 #38
Well, at least I know enough COL Mustard Oct 2022 #39
My aunt was Italian, from New York. Genki Hikari Oct 2022 #43
San Buenevte, approx. 20 miles north of Rome. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #45
I am with you on Angel Hair True Blue American Oct 2022 #26
I been mixing sweet basil, or garlic with a few tablespoons of Costco basil pesto. 3Hotdogs Oct 2022 #46
I admit True Blue American Oct 2022 #51
Well, well once again... MiHale Oct 2022 #11
What time do I show up? True Blue American Oct 2022 #28
Think I'll make fettuccine... MiHale Oct 2022 #41
Wow! A poet chef! WhiteTara Oct 2022 #37
Bucatini is cool because of the little tubes BigmanPigman Oct 2022 #13
Seems most of us prefer True Blue American Oct 2022 #29
On word caught my eye.."extruded". In my world the best pasta is not extruded, it is hand cut or Ninga Oct 2022 #21
the thread within this post is slowly becoming a DU classic thread... Javaman Oct 2022 #30
I'm very much an academic creature, I love history, I love food, I tend to be a stickler in Celerity Oct 2022 #40
There is a new pasta shape called cascatelli Danascot Oct 2022 #31
oops Kali Oct 2022 #50
For me it's a matter of fresh vs dried Auggie Oct 2022 #32
F.B.I. responds. usonian Oct 2022 #42
I might have cared about this before diabetes Genki Hikari Oct 2022 #44
Bucatini or fusilli with arabiata sauce IcyPeas Oct 2022 #47
Wow, some hate in that article for angel hair AwakeAtLast Oct 2022 #48
cascatelli! Kali Oct 2022 #49

TheBlackAdder

(28,277 posts)
1. Thanks. I will buy those fancy atisan shaped pastas that look nice uncooked but have uneven cooking.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 07:05 AM
Oct 2022

.

Certain sections will get softer than others, or it will go from a viable cooked piece to mushy in seconds.

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YoshidaYui

(41,878 posts)
3. The Chinese invented pasta
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 07:22 AM
Oct 2022

Its not included? A good Chow mein is hard to beat, or how about a soup dumpling!!

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
4. the Chinese did not invent Roman/Italian pasta, that is a myth
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 07:48 AM
Oct 2022
Did pasta come from China? Absolutely not, historians say

https://www.todayonline.com/world/did-pasta-come-china-absolutely-not-historians-say



HONG KONG — Pasta is Italy’s staple food, but it’s not only Italians who indulge in platefuls of the doughy concoction every day. People all over the world adore it. It comes in more than 300 shapes: long, as in spaghetti; flat, as in fettuccine; hollow (bucatini); short, as in penne; the butterfly-shaped farfalle and ear-shaped orecchiette; tubular (rigatoni); and stuffed, in varieties such as tortellini and ravioli. It can be bought dry or freshly made from egg-based dough. World Pasta Day, held each October, celebrates the universal love of this staple of the Mediterranean diet.

But who invented pasta? Legend has it that spaghetti is descended from noodles, based on the premise that Venetian nobleman and merchant Marco Polo imported long, worm-like strands of the latter to Italy from China in the late 13th century. To many, though, the Chinese origins of Italian pasta are a myth. It is true that Marco Polo did spend several years in China, learning the country’s traditions and culture, and he may have brought Chinese noodles and other foods back from his journeys. But Italian food historians say pasta culture was already flourishing in the Mediterranean region centuries before he travelled east, among the ancient Greeks and later among the Romans.

“Noodles are one thing, pasta another food altogether,” says Ms Anna Maria Pellegrino, a food historian and a member of the Italian Academy of Cuisine. “They reflect two separate culinary cultures and identities that have developed in parallel, the only conjunction being the need for nourishment and, above all, to share around the same table feelings and everyday life events. “The way they are cooked, the pots, the types of cereals used, the preparation, ingredients and toppings are completely different and specific to each civilisation. There’s no direct link between the Asian and the Italian or Mediterranean ways of mixing cereals with water to create noodles or pasta,” she says.

Ms Pellegrino adds: “Ever since the birth of agriculture, man has learned to hone crop techniques and shape these to his needs, thus mixing grains with water was an automatic step which happened across all civilisations at some given point in time, probably simultaneously,” Historical texts and works by classical poets help to date the first type of primeval pasta to the time of the ancient Greeks. Mr Giorgio Franchetti, a food historian and scholar of ancient Roman history, is the author of a book, Dining With the Ancient Romans, which was recently translated into English. He roundly dismisses the Marco Polo theory about the origins of pasta. “It’s pure nonsense,” he says. “The noodles that Marco Polo maybe brought back with him at the end of the 1200s from China were essentially made with rice and based on a different, oriental culinary tradition that has nothing to do with ours.”

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YoshidaYui

(41,878 posts)
5. Bullshit , Chinese culture has been around far
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 07:57 AM
Oct 2022

Longer than Italian culture where they found ancient containers were found with pasta hunreds of years old!

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
7. Non sequitur. Simply being around longer doesn't prove who invented what. I am not going to argue
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:10 AM
Oct 2022

ahistorical revisionism with you.

I provided sufficient evidence to rebut your claim, to which you have responded with vulgarity and logical fallacies.

You are entitled to your own opinions, but not your own facts.

YoshidaYui

(41,878 posts)
8. How about being around 4000 years longer than Roman history
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:11 AM
Oct 2022

The 500 year dynasty is nothing compared to the 4000 year dynasty of China. China has been around longer than any civilization on this planet.That’s a fact look it up.

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
12. Again, that's not germane to the history of Greco-Roman pasta, which my first reply already
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:22 AM
Oct 2022

addressed. The oldest known Chinese noodles where made from millet, and later on rice, and came from an entirely different culinary tradition from which pasta (which has historically been made with wheat) came from.

I never claimed claimed that all types of noodles came from the Mediterranean. My OP was about a regionally specific foodtype.

Orrex

(63,317 posts)
19. Pretty sure that I haven't claimed that you did
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:35 AM
Oct 2022

But the logic is about the same. The fact that one thing predates a second geometrically similar thing doesn't mean that the first caused the second if their basic composition is different, even if the first comes from a much longer-lived culture.

I think that's the point that Celerity is making.

This is a weird hill to die on. On top of spaghetti, as it were.

Response to Orrex (Reply #15)

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
20. The African hominids who shared a common ancestor (ca. 6 to 8 million years ago) with the great apes
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:38 AM
Oct 2022

invented the Chinese and everyone else (and thus all other things all humans ever did), if we take the poster's logic to extreme degrees of human developmental historical current knowledge.

Javaman

(62,542 posts)
27. I prefer the old joke by Carl Sagan...
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:04 AM
Oct 2022

Question: How do you make an apple pie from scratch?

Answer: first you create the universe.

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
23. That wasn't the claim. I never said all types of noodles were Mediterranean in origin, and spaghetti
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:51 AM
Oct 2022

is a newer (only 1,500 years or so old in its proto-form, from what I can find) form of pasta.

Around 3,000 years ago, between 1000 BC and 800 BC, the Greeks first mentioned the existence of laganon, a flat pasta sheet sliced into irregular strips that was later adopted by the ancient Romans with the plural name of laganae.

Human history is full of parallel yet discrete developments.

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
33. And? The Chinese were not making pasta then. Also, I think you mean the Shang dynasty, not Shanghai
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:24 AM
Oct 2022




etc etc

japple

(9,863 posts)
6. I have never tried any of these shapes. I like angel hair and rotini. But the recipe below
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:07 AM
Oct 2022

Is one I stumbled on somewhere and it has become a family favorite. It's easy and uses up a lot of zucchini!

https://12tomatoes.com/kingsolver-zucchini-orzo/

Barbara Kingsolver's Disappearing Zucchini Orzo

Ingredients

1 lb orzo pasta
3 tablespoons olive oil
1 white or yellow onion, chopped
2 cloves garlic, minced
3 large zucchini, grated
2 teaspoons fresh thyme
1 teaspoon fresh oregano, minced
1/4 cup Parmesan cheese, freshly grated
Kosher salt and freshly ground black pepper, to taste

Preparation

Bring 6 cups of water to a boil in a large pot. Add salt and orzo and cook until just tender, 8-10 minutes.
In a large skillet, heat olive oil over medium-high heat. Add onion, garlic, and zucchini and sauté until lightly golden.
Add thyme and oregano and remove from heat.
In a large bowl, toss together the orzo, zucchini mixture, and cheese and season to taste with salt and pepper. Serve chilled or room temperature. Enjoy!

Recipe from Animal Vegetable Miracle.


You didn't ask for recipes, but I've been passing this one out ever since I found it. I think even kids would love it.

3Hotdogs

(12,505 posts)
9. Yeah.... da fuck do they know?
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:16 AM
Oct 2022

Cappolini for me. My ex likes linguine but she chops the fukkin thing in half to eat it. What da fuck?

COL Mustard

(6,021 posts)
34. Maybe that's why she's your ex?
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:43 AM
Oct 2022

I'm as WASP as anybody but I loves me some good bolognese sauce with bucatini. And don't ever tell my Italian-American (full-blooded) wife that you cut it in half! Ay caramba!!!




I think I'll duck now, just in case your ex wants to throw something at me!!!

COL Mustard

(6,021 posts)
39. Well, at least I know enough
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 10:15 AM
Oct 2022

To only put parmesan or romano cheese on pasta! Velveeta didn't cut it!!!

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
43. My aunt was Italian, from New York.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 01:01 PM
Oct 2022

She broke her long pasta in half, because that's how her mamma did it. And mamma learned it from her mamma.

And your Italian heritage is...?

3Hotdogs

(12,505 posts)
45. San Buenevte, approx. 20 miles north of Rome.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 04:27 PM
Oct 2022

You should'a seen the look on my parents face, first time over the house for spaghetti.... she cuts it in half.

True Blue American

(18,001 posts)
26. I am with you on Angel Hair
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:04 AM
Oct 2022

and Rotini. I use one for Spaghetti with Sweet Basil sauce.

Rotini for Salads.

3Hotdogs

(12,505 posts)
46. I been mixing sweet basil, or garlic with a few tablespoons of Costco basil pesto.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 04:30 PM
Oct 2022

I will also burn bacon or pork, chop it up and throw it in.

True Blue American

(18,001 posts)
51. I admit
Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:55 AM
Oct 2022

To using a sweet Basil Marinara sauce as my back ground, then adding what ever suits me at the time for ANGEL hair.

MiHale

(9,835 posts)
11. Well, well once again...
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:17 AM
Oct 2022

You have set the planning and dining for the day or days ahead. My dear wife has been hinting as the cooler weather has now been coming that an all day sauce simmering would be delightful. The tomatoes are fresh from the vine waiting for their reincarnation. Madam Basil and her minions, oregano, thyme and parsley quake in anticipation for the union of flavors to come and I must get busy.



🍝🍝🍝

MiHale

(9,835 posts)
41. Think I'll make fettuccine...
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 12:00 PM
Oct 2022

It’s a setting on the pasta roller. Easier than hand forming some other kind.

I know according to the article..da.da.da. Love bucatini or pasta sheets.

BigmanPigman

(51,717 posts)
13. Bucatini is cool because of the little tubes
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:24 AM
Oct 2022

but it turns out they crack very easily when shipped.

I always save a little pasta water to mix into the sauce and don't run cold water over it if you want any of your sauce to really stick to it and not the bowl.

I still love good old fashioned egg noodles or pastina with butter a lot too.

True Blue American

(18,001 posts)
29. Seems most of us prefer
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:07 AM
Oct 2022

Last edited Tue Oct 11, 2022, 04:56 AM - Edit history (1)

The tried and true. I do not care for all those shapes.

Ninga

(8,283 posts)
21. On word caught my eye.."extruded". In my world the best pasta is not extruded, it is hand cut or
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 08:48 AM
Oct 2022

second best, rolled and cut by a crank pasta maker. When pasta is extruded, the chemistry changes dramatically and thus the taste.
I make homemade pasta most of the time using my 57 yr old hand crank pasta maker, including sheets of pasta for lasagna. Mangia pasta! Bella pasta!

Javaman

(62,542 posts)
30. the thread within this post is slowly becoming a DU classic thread...
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:13 AM
Oct 2022

I have been on DU long enough to witness some truly hilarious threads.

And this one is becoming a classic.

right up there with old "bombing of the moon" thread. LOL

Celerity

(43,918 posts)
40. I'm very much an academic creature, I love history, I love food, I tend to be a stickler in
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 11:42 AM
Oct 2022

in terms of logical agument, and specificities of definitions. I also push back when I see factually problematic positings.

Combine those things and you get that mini thread.

The real irony in this case is that I am part Chinese, along with black (west African descent, as that is the main area where slaves who were shipped into Bim, aka Barbados, were from), Swedish (half or so, my father is Swedish, mummy is Bajan aka Barbadian, very much racially/ethnicall diverse), Scottish, English, Lebanese, East Indian, and Sephardic Jewish (via Portuguese descent). I am, on my mum's side, a typical West Indian hodgepodge/melange. No Italian in my background that I know of, although my father did date a Venetian girl whilst reading for one of his uni degrees, his last gf before he met mummy.

Danascot

(4,703 posts)
31. There is a new pasta shape called cascatelli
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:20 AM
Oct 2022

I'm no expert in pasta but I was pretty happy with it. I felt it met the criteria the inventor established for it.

https://pasta.com/cascatelli-the-new-pasta-shape-thats-gone-viral/

Auggie

(31,263 posts)
32. For me it's a matter of fresh vs dried
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 09:21 AM
Oct 2022

Fresh sheets of pasta in a lasagna become a gooey delicious wonder. IMO it soaks up marinara and bolognese sauces better too.

usonian

(10,073 posts)
42. F.B.I. responds.
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 12:31 PM
Oct 2022

Full-Blooded-Italian, that is.

Favorites are mafaldine and fusilli bucati lunghi (the long ones)



Homemade pastas rock! Whatever the Atlas will kick out is great, unless you are the one who has to clean up afterward.
But homemade cavatelli are the best, and I used to make them as a kid, with the old cast-iron cavatelli machine.
This is newer.



And for everyone else, there's Rigatoni, Mostaccioli or Spaghet'

 

Genki Hikari

(1,766 posts)
44. I might have cared about this before diabetes
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 01:22 PM
Oct 2022

My favorite before that was bronze-cut trecce, which is sort of like a big version of gemelli or cavatappi. Traps sauces really well:



Nowadays, I'm grateful for whatever pasta I can get that's low carb.

AwakeAtLast

(14,136 posts)
48. Wow, some hate in that article for angel hair
Mon Oct 10, 2022, 10:12 PM
Oct 2022

If you cook it perfectly, and only add olive oil, salt, fresh ground pepper, garlic, and crushed red pepper it is absolutely delightful!

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