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West Nile Virus and other mosquito born encephalitis viruses aid blood drinkers. They turn the source of blood into passive buffet tables who just lie there, oblivious, febrile (breathing out lots of CO2 which is how mosquitoes find their prey). A few people/other animal hosts die. Many more just turn into zombies for a week or two. And the rest are fine. They run around allowing other mosquitoes to drink their blood and spread the infection.
In addition to causing encephalitis, WNV has been associated with new cases of myasthenia gravis a condition that causes profound weakness by inhibiting the function of nerve/muscle junctions.
So, what if coronavirus, which scientists believe evolved in and are carried by bats (who are not affected by the virus) serves a similar function? What if coronavirus has a combo respiratory/immune/ neurological effect on its human/animal hosts that causes severe illness in some (but not all) wich in turn causes weakness which turns those infected into blood buffets for blood drinking (aka vampire) bats? (At the end of this piece I will post a bunch of links)
Bats are one of the oldest most successful mammalian species.UP to 50 million years old and distributed all across the world. They have had much more time to adapt than humans. And the fact that they have remained bats for all these millions of years means that they have had millions of years to develop adaptations to improve their chances of survival.
Bats have the ability to fly because they are so light. They have eliminated many of the things other mammals have--including long digestive tracts. That is why sugar water (fruit) and blood are suitable food for them. Low weight easy to digest full of nutrients.
Vampire bats face challenges including the possibility that they will not encounter their necessary food sources (mammals and bird and not just any mammals and birds, some can only feed off specific prey) at night when they feed. So they have evolved a variety of strategies to deal with food shortages. Like snakes, they can sense heat in their prey--meaning febrile prey will be easier to find. They have developed a very complex,matriarchal social structure that includes empathy for other bats--a vampire bat will regurgitate a blood meal for a starving member of their colony.
One of the natural predators of vampire bats is the domesticated cat. Cats will lie in wait while bats drink a blood meal and then pounce upon the blood laden, heavier than usual bat. Feeling sorry for the poor bat that gets mugged on on his way home from the diner? Don't. Once of the most dangerous infections for cats is feline infection peritonitis. And it is (wait for it)...a coronavirus.
https://www.karger.com/Article/PDF/115275
West nile virus infection and myasthenia gravis
A. Arturo Leis MD
Gabriella Szatmary MD, PhD
Mark A. Ross MD
Dobrivoje S. Stokic MD, DSc
First published:05 April 2013
https://doi.org/10.1002/mus.23869
Citations: 25
This work was supported in part by the Wilson Research Foundation, Jackson, Mississippi.
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Introduction: Viruses are commonly cited as triggers for autoimmune disease. It is unclear if West Nile virus (WNV) initiates autoimmunity. Methods: We describe 6 cases of myasthenia gravis (MG) that developed several months after WNV infection. All patients had serologically confirmed WNV neuroinvasive disease. None had evidence of MG before WNV. Results: All patients had stable neurological deficits when they developed new symptoms of MG 3 to 7 months after WNV infection. However, residual deficits from WNV confounded or delayed MG diagnosis. All patients had elevated acetylcholine receptor (AChR) antibodies, and 1 had thymoma. Treatment varied, but 4 patients required acetylcholinesterase inhibitors, multiple immunosuppressive drugs, and intravenous immune globulin or plasmapheresis for recurrent MG crises. Conclusions: The pathogenic mechanism of MG following WNV remains uncertain. We hypothesize that WNV‐triggered autoimmunity breaks immunological self‐tolerance to initiate MG, possibly through molecular mimicry between virus antigens and AChR subunits or other autoimmune mechanisms. Muscle Nerve 49: 2629, 2014
http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S1413-86702008000600003
A coronavirus detected in the vampire bat Desmodus
Rotundus
Paulo Eduardo BrandãoI,II; Karin SchefferIII,II; Laura Yaneth VillarrealIV,II; Samira AchkarIII; Rafael de Novaes OliveiraIII,II; Willian de Oliveira FahlIII,II; Juliana Galera CastilhoII,III; Ivanete KotaitIII,II; Leonardo José RichtzenhainI,II
IDepartment of Preventive Veterinary Medicine and Animal Health, College of Veterinary Medicine, University of São Paulo
IICoronavirus Research Group
IIIPasteur Institute
IVIntervet-Schering Plough; São Paulo, SP, Brazil
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This article reports on the identification of a group 2 coronavirus (BatCoV DR/2007) in a Desmodus rotundus vampire bat in Brazil. Phylogenetic analysis of ORF1b revealed that BatCoV DR/2007 originates from a unique lineage in the archetypical group 2 coronaviruses, as described for bat species elsewhere with putative importance in Public Health.
Key-Words: Coronavirus, Vampire bat, RNA-dependent RNA-polymerase.
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https://virologyj.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1743-422X-10-304
Adaptive evolution of bat dipeptidyl peptidase 4 (dpp4): implications for the origin and emergence of Middle East respiratory syndrome coronavirus
Jie Cui,
John-Sebastian Eden,
Edward C Holmes &
Lin-Fa Wang
Virology Journal volume 10, Article number: 304 (2013) Cite this article
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Background
Findings
We show that bat DPP4 genes have been subject to significant adaptive evolution, suggestive of a long-term arms-race between bats and MERS related CoVs. In particular, we identify three positively selected residues in DPP4 that directly interact with the viral surface glycoprotein.
Conclusions
Our study suggests that the evolutionary lineage leading to MERS-CoV may have circulated in bats for a substantial time period.
http://www.newmicrobiologica.org/PUB/allegati_pdf/2012/1/1.pdf
The SARS-like coronaviruses: the role of bats and evolutionary relationships with SARS coronavirus Andrea Balboni, Mara Battilani, Santino Prosperi Dipartimento di Scienze Mediche Veterinarie, Facoltà di Medicina Veterinaria, Alma Mater Studiorum-Università di Bologna, Ozzano dellEmilia, Bologna, Italy
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1879625716301341
While bat species maintain factors that permit virus persistence, the unique host environment also promotes broad diversity in CoV quasi-species pools. As a result of flight, accumulation of ROS species may occur for short periods of time and have been shown to have mutagenic effects, potentially overwhelming CoV proofreading repair and/or altering viral polymerase fidelity and increasing species diversity, a possible key to cross-species transmission [21]. Similarly, the constitutive expression of type I IFN in bat hosts may select for advantageous viral mutations that enhance resistance to innate immune antiviral defense pathways and provide a replication advantage, especially after cross species transmission [14]. Conversely, the absence of key inflammatory mediators in bat species provides no selective pressure to minimize these responses [13]; subsequently, infection of a new host could result in massive and pathogenic inflammation responses, as seen with both SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV infections in humans [22, 23]. Overall, the unique aspects that permit quasi-species pools of viruses in bats also contribute to their diversity and potential to emerge in new species.
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1002/rmv.520
Bats as a continuing source of emerging infections in humans
Samson Wong
Susanna Lau
Patrick Woo
Kwok‐Yung Yuen
First published:16 October 2006
https://doi.org/10.1002/rmv.520
Citations: 175
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Domestic cat predation on vampire bats (Desmodus rotundus) while foraging on goats, pigs, cows and human beings
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Lessons a) Coronaviruses were long-recognised and studied by veterinary scientists as major causes of potentially fatal respiratory and enteric infections in animals. Moreover, such studies emphasised the potential of CoVs for interspecies transmission, but the medical research community was largely unaware of these findings or their implications for public health based on experiences with low impact human CoV infections. This knowledge base from research on animal CoVs contributed significantly to the rapid progress in the characterisation of SARS CoV and will enhance the future development and testing of vaccines and antivirals for SARS. b) Given that an estimated 75% of newly emerging pathogens in humans are zoonotic and based on experiences with SARS CoV, veterinary scientists are essential partners for disease control and public health management. Their input and assistance should involve the identification and management of animal reservoirs for newly emerged zoonotic pathogens.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/vmi/2010/809480/
Coventina
(27,156 posts)McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)Coventina
(27,156 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)But I don't think I'd want to eat them anyhow.
Coventina
(27,156 posts)species-crossing viruses.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)or maybe some Bat Bourguignon.
Coventina
(27,156 posts)And most bat species are under intense pressures from various sources.
The last thing we need is for people to be eating them!
The older I get, the more I hate, yes, actively HATE my species.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)I like bats (but not as food, obviously). I've set out a bat house in my back yard, though I don't know if they are using it. They eat a lot of mosquitoes.
Coventina
(27,156 posts)Never got a round tuit, yet.
Maybe with this enforced home stay I'll finally do it.
I do have a pollinator house, though.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)Even better are bundles of hollow stems. I cut down my Joe-Pye weed after it dies back in the fall and leave the hollow stems out for bees to nest in. I also leave little patches of bare ground near rocks for ground-dwelling bees to burrow and nest in. I am fighting a long-standing battle with my asshole next-door neighbor who thinks residential yards should look like golf courses. Mine does not. A few years ago he sprayed Round-Up all along my side of the property line because he didn't like my native plants. Had to get a lawyer involved. It hasn't happened again.
Coventina
(27,156 posts)I hope your municipal government was on your side.
Ours is hit or miss.
They encourage "desert landscaping" to conserve water, however, it has to be faux- desert. You have to put gravel down, can't have exposed dirt. (Even though that's what real desert is.)
Also, you can't have anything that even looks like weeds without being cited. In other words, ornamental grasses and such are forbidden. All you can have in your front lawn is either: traditional suburban lawn or gravel with cacti.
Backyards can be whatever you want, thank goodness.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,792 posts)around here (Minneapolis). The city actually encourages it, as long as the garden is well-maintained and not full of weeds. The same asshole neighbor reported to the city that I had poison ivy in my yard, which I definitely did not, and I had to explain to an inspector the difference between poison ivy and hog peanut (a native legume with 3 leaflets that doesn't even look like poison ivy). Bummer that all you can have is gravel and cacti. I have cacti, too - there's a species of prickly pear that survives here quite nicely. A few blocks away from here someone planted a whole bunch of them:
Coventina
(27,156 posts)I had no idea cacti could live outdoors in your area!
Fascinating!
We have two huge so-called "Indian Fruit" prickly pear in our front yard. They get that name because they produce a bumper crop of fruit every fall.
The first year we lived in the house, we tried to harvest and use them. It's really long, involved process that requires very delicate handling (even the fruit has stickers on it!). After that, we've left all the bounty for the birds adapted to deal with it.
In the early spring, before the plant flowers, the honey bees harvest the inside of the fruits left over by the birds.
It's a fascinating cycle to watch.
jmbar2
(4,902 posts)If the bat terrorists control this whole thing, give 'em whatever they want to stop.
Dear Bats, you can have all the bugs.
msongs
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